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camion
03-15-2009, 07:20 PM
The ACC store has two 'champions' t-shirts for sale at the moment.
They have a t-shirt for UNC fans proclaiming UNC the 2009 conference champion in basketball.
They have a t-shirt for Duke fans proclaiming Duke the 2009 tournament champion in basketball.
DBR thinks it's a mistake, but I'm thinking the UNC, uh the ACC store will claim it's correct.
We'll see.
FireOgilvie
03-15-2009, 07:30 PM
I think you're right. Regular season champion doesn't mean much with the current unbalanced schedule. The ACC Tournament technically determines the true conference champion.
Sir Stealth
03-15-2009, 07:35 PM
This stuff drives me crazy. The ACC rules state that the tournament deserves the champion, period. Just like the NCAA tournament determines the NCAA champion. Nobody would say that the NCAA tournament "technically" determines the NCAA champion. The ACC now recognizes a "regular season" champion, but the extra language should be added there, not with an "ACC Tournament Champion," ESPECIALLY with the unbalanced schedule. But hey, whatever, it amuses me for Roy to look more like a joke by cutting down the nets in his own gym. Similar to hanging fake national championship banners.
DevilHorse
03-15-2009, 07:46 PM
I can put this next to my "19-0" book about the New England Patriot's undefeated Super Bowl run from last year. It was on Amazon.com for half a day after the Super Bowl :rolleyes:
Larry
DevilHorse
MarkD83
03-15-2009, 09:29 PM
I was in New Orleans when UNC won the NCAA's in 1993. They had Michigan NCAA championship shirts all printed up so that they could sell them after the game. I actually wanted to buy one for the novelty value, however they would not let me buy one.
If UNC fans want to buy a t-shirt then the ACC Store will be happy to take the $.
KrazyKfan
03-15-2009, 09:35 PM
I wonder what they do with all the loser "champion" shirts...
It would be funny to wear some.
Highlander
03-15-2009, 10:02 PM
I was in New Orleans when UNC won the NCAA's in 1993. They had Michigan NCAA championship shirts all printed up so that they could sell them after the game. I actually wanted to buy one for the novelty value, however they would not let me buy one.
If UNC fans want to buy a t-shirt then the ACC Store will be happy to take the $.
In 1986 they sold shirts that on the front, said "Duke - 1986 NCAA National Champions."
On the back, they said "I bought this shirt at halftime."
Painful.
captmojo
03-15-2009, 10:07 PM
I wonder what they do with all the loser "champion" shirts...
It would be funny to wear some.
There is a screen printer down the street from where I live. Once or twice a year they hold a yard sale to get rid of items they have printed which ended as an incorrect prediction.I'm sure they were heavy at work after the Cardinals scored the go-ahead TD at the Superbowl.
Aren't the tarholes the team with the fake 1924 (or whatever) championship banner hanging up? Shows that there are no depths to which they will not stoop.
DukeFencer
03-15-2009, 10:48 PM
I heard from someone from Nigeria that a ton of the incorrect shirts would end up in various parts of Africa. I actually think somewhere deep in my email is a picture of about 20 kids wearing 19-0 Patriot shirts or other shirts from that season.
RelativeWays
03-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Maybe its a 2009 Helms Foundation ACC Championship that the holes won.
I heard from someone from Nigeria that a ton of the incorrect shirts would end up in various parts of Africa. I actually think somewhere deep in my email is a picture of about 20 kids wearing 19-0 Patriot shirts or other shirts from that season.
So I fully expect an email, "My late father was the Charge'd Affairs of Sports Marketing..."
-jk
OZZIE4DUKE
03-15-2009, 11:08 PM
I can put this next to my "19-0" book about the New England Patriot's undefeated Super Bowl run from last year. It was on Amazon.com for half a day after the Super Bowl :rolleyes:
Larry
DevilHorse
I have a hat that says that Duke is the 1994 National Champion. If only Tony Lang's fingers were a 1/2 inch longer....
hurleyfor3
03-15-2009, 11:24 PM
After the 1991 national semifinal game, vendors were outside the Hoosier Dome selling "UNLV Back-To-Back Champions" shirts for $5 or so. (Note this was 48 hours before the champion was decided.) Most of the buyers were apparently Duke folks... there might still be one in The Chronicle sports office. :)
Proclaiming a "regular season championship" doesn't bother me, but if the conference is calling this the "conference championship" we should pull out and join the SEC or something. The 2009 Atlantic Coast Conference champion is Duke. Period.
hurleyfor3
03-15-2009, 11:25 PM
If only Tony Lang's fingers were a 1/2 inch longer....
...the game would still have only been tied
I heard from someone from Nigeria that a ton of the incorrect shirts would end up in various parts of Africa. I actually think somewhere deep in my email is a picture of about 20 kids wearing 19-0 Patriot shirts or other shirts from that season.
Probably true. A lot of the sports leagues donate these types of shirts to charity, but don't want it in the US market so they send it to Africa and war torn countries like Bosnia and Serbia several years back.
All of the big sports marketers such as the NCAA, NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. must print "incorrect" shirts before gametime so they have them ready for either victor at the arena when the game ends . Other than the home town or home city, which makes sales for days after the game, the most sales occur right after the game ends, so the leagues have to be ready or else face lost sales. It's just good business practice. I used to work at the NBA so I have some insights into this.
hurleyfor3
03-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Those poor Nigerians must think the Buffalo Bills are the NFL's greatest dynasty. OTOH they would also think Coach K has won four titles (86-90-94-99), so we shouldn't make fun of them.
4decadedukie
03-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Aren't the tarholes the team with the fake 1924 (or whatever) championship banner hanging up? Shows that there are no depths to which they will not stoop.
They certainly are. While the 1924 Tar Heels were undefeated, they did not play a single opponent from north of the Mason-Dixon Line, which included most of the nation's premier collegiate programs in the mid-1920s.
DukieInKansas
03-16-2009, 04:47 PM
I don't have a problem with regular season champions and even putting it on a shirt. I don't know if Duke has done that for the seasons they won the regular season or not.
However, am I understanding correctly that they cut down the nets in celebration of this event or was someone being sarcastic?
DukePA
03-16-2009, 04:51 PM
I don't have a problem with regular season champions and even putting it on a shirt. I don't know if Duke has done that for the seasons they won the regular season or not.
However, am I understanding correctly that they cut down the nets in celebration of this event or was someone being sarcastic?
It's true. They cut down their own nets after beating us 3/8/09. Pitiful and ridiculous, IMO.
GTHC, GTH
Son of Mojo
03-16-2009, 04:51 PM
For lack of desire to start a new thread, I just figured I'd share my experience at work today here. I get in and start a few converstations with fellow Duke fans, proud about our victory. I see a few unc fans lurking around but I honestly do try to not say anything to them when we win and they lose (it gets at them worse not to acknowledge them on the whole). If I'm approached by them and they talk about a game I'll discuss it with them but I don't persue them to chide them about it (much unlike the inverse most of us are used to). Well, after about 2 minutes of talking with the Duke fans, this one unc fan (wearing his hat, shirt, and lanyard) storms through the middle of us, unprovoked, waving his arms and shouting "y'all didn't beat anybody! Y'all didn't do anything!! We finished first! We have a higher ranking!! We have a higher seeding!! Oh, don't ignore me, you're gonna hear what I have to say, you can't hide!!" I just look at him, thinking the whole while how badly he's just embarassing himself, and had to say to him: "is anyone even talking to you?" He starts in saying we're not champs of anything (though he was mighty proud of winning the tournament two straight years--lotta nothing that is apparently) and they gave us a gift by not playing us without the ACC's best player....I know I shouldn't have said more but I closed what I had to say with "we won the tournament; that's how the conference says who the champ is. We won, we're the champs, and we did play and BEAT the ACC's best player.....his name's Toney Douglas." He stormed away in a huff and, from what I was told, stayed in a similar mood all day. His bretheren kept relatively silent, which amused the Duke fans there today.
DukieInKansas
03-16-2009, 04:55 PM
It's true. They cut down their own nets after beating us 3/8/09. Pitiful and ridiculous, IMO.
GTHC, GTH
I agree. It makes it seem like they didn't expect to win the ACC Tournament, or anything else, so they cut down what nets they could.
9F 9F 9F 9F 9F 9F 9F
TillyGalore
03-16-2009, 04:58 PM
Shoot, the holes had a t-shirt celebrating their victory in CIS earlier this season. I made a comment that Duke only having championship t-shirts. :D
FYI, when you click on a shirt to look at it, there is a disclaimer in red noting the shirts will be mailed by Tuesday (or Wednesday) depending on the outcome of the tourney.
Johnboy
03-16-2009, 05:20 PM
However, am I understanding correctly that they cut down the nets in celebration of this event or was someone being sarcastic?
No sarcasm (http://heraldsun.southernheadlines.com/sports/18-1116292.cfm). They really did cut down the nets (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/sports/ncaabasketball/09carolina.html) in the Dean Dome.
DukieInKansas
03-16-2009, 05:20 PM
For lack of desire to start a new thread, I just figured I'd share my experience at work today here. I get in and start a few converstations with fellow Duke fans, proud about our victory. I see a few unc fans lurking around but I honestly do try to not say anything to them when we win and they lose (it gets at them worse not to acknowledge them on the whole). If I'm approached by them and they talk about a game I'll discuss it with them but I don't persue them to chide them about it (much unlike the inverse most of us are used to). Well, after about 2 minutes of talking with the Duke fans, this one unc fan (wearing his hat, shirt, and lanyard) storms through the middle of us, unprovoked, waving his arms and shouting "y'all didn't beat anybody! Y'all didn't do anything!! We finished first! We have a higher ranking!! We have a higher seeding!! Oh, don't ignore me, you're gonna hear what I have to say, you can't hide!!" I just look at him, thinking the whole while how badly he's just embarassing himself, and had to say to him: "is anyone even talking to you?" He starts in saying we're not champs of anything (though he was mighty proud of winning the tournament two straight years--lotta nothing that is apparently) and they gave us a gift by not playing us without the ACC's best player....I know I shouldn't have said more but I closed what I had to say with "we won the tournament; that's how the conference says who the champ is. We won, we're the champs, and we did play and BEAT the ACC's best player.....his name's Toney Douglas." He stormed away in a huff and, from what I was told, stayed in a similar mood all day. His bretheren kept relatively silent, which amused the Duke fans there today.
He sounds like a real gem. I hope you don't have to deal with him too often as he doesn't sound like he would be a pleasant person to have around. I'm impressed you held your tongue as much as you did.
I don't have a problem with regular season champions and even putting it on a shirt. I don't know if Duke has done that for the seasons they won the regular season or not.
However, am I understanding correctly that they cut down the nets in celebration of this event or was someone being sarcastic?
My theory is that UNC, as usual, was that the cutting down the nets episode reflected the lack of interest in the conference tournament. Unfortunately for the grand plan, the refs in the Va. Tech. game did not receive the memo.
billy
03-17-2009, 01:17 PM
Site is now changed to read " North Carolina Tar Heels 2009 ACC Men's Basketball Regular Season Conference Champions Carolina Blue T-shirt" & "Celebrate the Tar Heels' 2009 ACC Regular Season Conference Championship win with this collectible tee!"
Who knew there was such a thing?
Tom B.
03-17-2009, 01:37 PM
"...we did play and BEAT the ACC's best player.....his name's Toney Douglas."
Ooohh, excellent comeback. I'm filing this one away for future use in case any Tarheels I know try to throw similar BS at me.
namvet1965
03-17-2009, 01:38 PM
iT IS CORRECT. regular Season HAS FOR YEARS BEEN THE CONF. CHAMPION. In the old days ( I should know!) tournament champion was the conf. champion, but when it was decided that more than one team could go to the NCAAT that was changed and Duke agreed,
-bdbd
03-17-2009, 01:40 PM
The ACC store has two 'champions' t-shirts for sale at the moment.
They have a t-shirt for UNC fans proclaiming UNC the 2009 conference champion in basketball.
They have a t-shirt for Duke fans proclaiming Duke the 2009 tournament champion in basketball.
DBR thinks it's a mistake, but I'm thinking the UNC, uh the ACC store will claim it's correct.
We'll see.
Earlier this decade while Duke was having it's long run of ACC championships this conversation centered around MD and Sweaty Gary's comments about being ACC Champs (after winning the regular season ACC's, and then losing once again when it mattered). I think they even hung up a banner in Comcast. (snicker, sicker) (What else can you say for a school that retires players' jersies who only played there ONE (!) year there and won no championships??
I think the best answer at that time was a poster's advice to just ask them (applies to Kerlina fans this year), "Which 'champion' gets the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament?" Hmmmmm. :rolleyes:
Clearly UNC-ch was "Regular Season ACC Champs," bit not "Conference Champs." I'm guessing that the ACC store printed up a hell of a lot of shirts in anticipation of a UNC-ch romp in Atlanta, and just had to come up with a way to still justify selling 'em... I can't WAIT to see some poor Heel actually wearing one -- it will be FUN!! (trust me) :D
-BDBD
namvet1965
03-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Wrong!!!
http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_251000/altImages/DS_251150ALT1_xl.jpg
I'd be embarrassed to wear that shirt if I was a Carolina fan. It's a joke.
dball
03-17-2009, 01:48 PM
iT IS CORRECT. regular Season HAS FOR YEARS BEEN THE CONF. CHAMPION. In the old days ( I should know!) tournament champion was the conf. champion, but when it was decided that more than one team could go to the NCAAT that was changed and Duke agreed,
This is inaccurate. The tournament winner is still the ACC Champion. This has always been the case. After multiple league entries were allowed, it was considered appropriate to recognize a "regular season champion", but the tournament winner is still considered the league champion and receives the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
Difficult to imagine I know, but assume there was only one bid granted to the ACC. Who goes to the NCAA?
JStuart
03-17-2009, 02:02 PM
And along the lines of current UNC fans' arguments that 'you didn't beat anybody to win the championship', it has just occurred to me that we beat in Atlanta three teams that had beaten UNC, and had earlier beaten the only other team to beat UNC -Wake-. Plus, two of the teams that beat UNC -Maryland and FSU- we beat 3 times each! Obviously Duke took the easy way out, and that's not even discussing the unbalanced schedule, or the RPI rankings...
This is inaccurate. The tournament winner is still the ACC Champion. This has always been the case. After multiple league entries were allowed, it was considered appropriate to recognize a "regular season champion", but the tournament winner is still considered the league champion and receives the automatic bid to the NCAA tournament.
Difficult to imagine I know, but assume there was only one bid granted to the ACC. Who goes to the NCAA?
devildeac
03-17-2009, 02:15 PM
http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_251000/altImages/DS_251150ALT1_xl.jpg
I'd be embarrassed to wear that shirt if I was a Carolina fan. It's a joke.
My eyes just started to bleed. I not sure about them being embarrassed-just look at that color on which they base all their souvenirs.:eek:
CameronBornAndBred
03-17-2009, 02:16 PM
http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_251000/altImages/DS_251150ALT1_xl.jpg
I'd be embarrassed to wear that shirt if I was a Carolina fan. It's a joke.
Here's the REAL version.
712
CameronBornAndBred
03-17-2009, 02:23 PM
And here is the back...
713
TillyGalore
03-17-2009, 02:31 PM
I found this on the ACC store site as well. Looks like the ACC projected Duke and carolina as possible winners of the tourney.
http://acc.teamfanshop.com/COLLEGE_Duke_Blue_Devils/Majestic_Duke_Blue_Devils_White_NCAA_2009_ACC_Mens _Basketball_Tournament_Champions_Locker_Room_T-sh
devildeac
03-17-2009, 02:46 PM
Here's the REAL version.
712
Too funny.
devildeac
03-17-2009, 02:47 PM
And here is the back...
713
Even funnier.
DukieInKansas
03-17-2009, 02:55 PM
Has Duke ever cut down the nets in Cameron for winning the regular season? I would hope not but don't know for sure.
Apparently in '05, Roy asked his team is they wanted to cut down the nets in the Dean Dome for clinching at least a tie for the lead of the regular season. The team said no because they had more games to win. (But would cut down ACC Tourney nets if they won.) Note - not cutting down those nets worked well for them that year. Will the reverse come true this year?
http://www.newsobserver.com/home/story/323089.html
Is this just a Roy thing or do other teams do cut down the nets for finishing the regular season first in their conference? The article made it sound like they would cut down the nets if they won at Cameron to be in sole possession of the regular season title.
CameronBornAndBred
03-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Is this just a Roy thing or do other teams do cut down the nets for finishing the regular season first in their conference? The article made it sound like they would cut down the nets if they won at Cameron to be in sole possession of the regular season title.
I don't know the answer to that question, I haven't been to a senior day game in Cameron in years. I do know we take lots of pride in finishing the regular season in first place, and we acknowledge it is a pretty big accomplishment. But K also takes the ACC tourney seriously and treats the tourney championship with a huge amount of respect. He always wants to win it. When asked this year about it becoming old hat, he said it would never be, because he gets "to live each one through the kids", meaning each new championship is a championship for a different team, not just for him. I think that's part of Roy's problem. He is focusing on what he personally has accomplished. Maybe if he looked at it through his team's eyes he'd see things a little differently.
camion
03-17-2009, 03:19 PM
Here is a link (http://www.theacc.com/championships/index.html) to the official ACC web site listing the conference championship sites and dates. Note the dark shade of blue and capital "D" indicating the men's basketball champion for this year. There's also a nice official picture of the winning team on the site, here (http://www.theacc.com/championships/09-mbk-tournament.html).
94duke
03-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Here is a link (http://www.theacc.com/championships/index.html) to the official ACC web site listing the conference championship sites and dates. Note the dark shade of blue and capital "D" indicating the men's basketball champion for this year.
Also, notice how it is explicitly stated when the champ is determined by the regular season (Volleyball).
MarkD83
03-17-2009, 08:23 PM
Lots of folks think that the ACC is "North Carolina (the state not the school)-centric", but 11 of the 14 champions are NOT from North Carolina.
Yes I am a Duke grad and a Duke fan but you have to give some props to UVA, Md and FSU for so many championships.
CameronBornAndBred
03-17-2009, 10:09 PM
Yes I am a Duke grad and a Duke fan but you have to give some props to UVA, Md and FSU for so many championships.
FSU hasn't won any championships in basketball. Just curious what numbers you are talking about, where is the 14 from? GT has won before, but no other ACC school from outside the state has besides UVA and Md, as you mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men's_basketball _tournament_champions
That, and the fact that if they DON'T win the NCAA Championship, then they have nothing to show for the season. Seems like he's putting all of his eggs in one risky basket.
MarkD83
03-17-2009, 11:21 PM
FSU hasn't won any championships in basketball. Just curious what numbers you are talking about, where is the 14 from? GT has won before, but no other ACC school from outside the state has besides UVA and Md, as you mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men's_basketball _tournament_champions
It was a bit off topic but if you look at the fall and winter ACC sports (track, soccer, wrestling swimming, etc.) Md has 4 championships, UVA 3 and FSU 3 (I think that is correct.)
camion
03-19-2009, 08:53 AM
It was a bit off topic but if you look at the fall and winter ACC sports (track, soccer, wrestling swimming, etc.) Md has 4 championships, UVA 3 and FSU 3 (I think that is correct.)
I believe Mark is referring to the 2008-2009 ACC championships in various sports and not basketball championships over the years. Check the ACC link in my previous post for this years championships.
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