Has Roy's Statements/antics denigrated the ACC Tourney? [Archive]

moonpie23

03-14-2009, 09:46 PM

i don't know about y'all, but, i am irked at the posturing from the holes after losing today to FSU.

a few of my unc "friends" sent me text to the effect of "it's no biggie", "best to rest for the big dance" and "roy let them lose on purpose"....

i saw a few hole fans at the mall tonight and even they made mention that "roy just let them lose cause it was best for the title run"......

i mean, is it really possible that the statements, actions and posturing by one coach and their arrogant fans reduce the importance of arguably the greatest basketball tournament in basktball history to a mere warm-up for their monumental chokes?

sorry....i just needed to get that OUT....

Carlos

03-14-2009, 09:57 PM

In one sense they're right - today's loss wasn't a big deal for the Heels.

The idea that "Roy let them lose" is of course total crap. Every quality team wants to win every time it steps on the floor. And the idea that one more day of rest is a desirable trade for a loss is just as craptastic.

But other than the sting of not winning the ACC Tournament the loss is pretty benign. The Heels are still most likely a #1 seed and the loss doesn't really scream out that they are a team in trouble unless Lawson is unable to play.

FireOgilvie

03-14-2009, 09:59 PM

I think the fans are just trying to rationalize the fact that their team lost. It was pretty obvious to everyone watching that UNC really wanted the win.

RelativeWays

03-14-2009, 10:01 PM

UNC fans make excuses for everything, and blame conspiracy theories for everything else, this is why I detest their fanbase. Did Roy rest Ty Lawson for the NCAA tourney when he might could have played, sure, thats not unreasonable, but to say "Roy just let 'em lose for the NCAA" is a real disservice to how they played. UNC played a really dangerous team hungry for a bid, and a physical top 25 team thats better than people realize, and they played those teams hard. From what I saw, they didn't phone it in, they really tried to win. If I was on that team and one of my supposed fans said we blew it on purpose, I'd punch them in the face.

rthomas

03-14-2009, 10:05 PM

"best to rest for the big dance" is a typical line for losers in the tournament. I've heard fans from every team including Duke say the same thing. bottom line it's BS.
But Dukies have said the exact same thing in the past.

camion

03-14-2009, 10:22 PM

I'm irked when somebody belittles any one of a) the regular season, b) the ACC tournament, c) the NCAA tournament. All are important and all are worth striving for. Learning to give your all in the quest is a part of learning to win.

Above all, NOTHING is guaranteed. Teams that throttle back on one thing in the quest for a bigger prize are likely to end with nothing more than a participation banner.

Bob Green

03-14-2009, 10:23 PM

UNC fans make excuses for everything, and blame conspiracy theories for everything else, this is why I detest their fanbase.

Carolina has a bunch of great fans who know basketball and do not make excuses. Unfortunately, Carolina has so many fans that the vocal idiots with their excuses and conspiracy theories standout as the typical Carolina fan. Too bad the idiots make the whole fan base look bad.

CameronBornAndBred

03-14-2009, 10:24 PM

In his post game interview, he addresses this question directly. (Will the extra day help the team). He flat out says he would rather have had the win.
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/acc_tournament/video/4739250/

spifi

03-14-2009, 10:33 PM

killerleft

03-14-2009, 10:35 PM

We're playing for a championship tomorrow. No time to worry about losers or their rationalizations.

All I know is Roy has shrugged off and belittled a tournament that everyone else wants to win. Opinions will differ, but I basically see this as classless.

His players played very hard. Hansbrough was beating his chest after the great win over VT. Maybe Roy forgot to tell his players not to care. Anyway, it's great to see him have to play that card, isn't it?

Drive home safely, indeed!

jv001

03-14-2009, 10:47 PM

roy may have felt that way(don't think he does), but his players cared. They played hard and wanted to win. It's some of their lousy fans making the usual excuses. Go Duke!

elvis14

03-14-2009, 10:47 PM

A friend of mine came over to watch the FSU game with me today. His wife is a UNC fan, he's an NCSU alum and fan. He's also an ACC fan who will support Duke, UNC, whoever against other conferences. He asked me today if Duke fans are overly critical of their team. I said, that I didn't think so that if anything we tend to be too fond of them and think they can do more than they really can. He told me that he was really happy to have an excuse to come watch the game with me (I had knee surgery Thursday and I appreciated his visit and the Firehouse sub he brought me) instead of with his wife and her Carowina friends. When asked what was up, he said that the group of Carolina fans spend the entire game yelling at the TV berating their own team. He said it's awful how they act like the Holes are making horrible mistakes the whole time. I thought it was an interesting observation. My response was that UNC fans have no respect for any other team, zero. To them if a team is doing something good against the Holes then the Holes must be screwing up....so they b!tch. Since they believe UNC is so far superior to everyone else, if they are not winning and running away with the game the Roy needs to fix something because someone isn't playing right. My friend just repeated that he just doesn't get it. I think it's UNC fans who don't get it.

RelativeWays

03-14-2009, 10:51 PM

Carolina has a bunch of great fans who know basketball and do not make excuses. Unfortunately, Carolina has so many fans that the vocal idiots with their excuses and conspiracy theories standout as the typical Carolina fan. Too bad the idiots make the whole fan base look bad.

Thats true, I should have changed that to typical IC poster. :D For the most part, the ones I work with, or interact with live are fine, I just think I've come to dislike internet message boards and entitled fanbases. We have our issues as well.

My other point still stands though, UNC didn't quit, they didn't job, they tried to win, and to insinuate or state otherwise to save face or pride is smarmy.

Bob Green

03-14-2009, 10:58 PM

My other point still stands though, UNC didn't quit, they didn't job, they tried to win, and to insinuate or state otherwise to save face or pride is smarmy.

I agree 100 percent. Carolina rested Ty Lawson due to his injured toe but beyond that they tried with all their might to win the game. Anyone who says Ol' Roy had them lose on purpose is an idiot or fooling themselves.

Truth

03-14-2009, 11:05 PM

All I know is Roy has shrugged off and belittled a tournament that everyone else wants to win.

Does anyone know whether Roy expressed similar feelings about the Big 12 tourney during his days at Kansas or is his dislike of conference tournaments a recent development?

spifi

03-14-2009, 11:06 PM

My friend just repeated that he just doesn't get it. I think it's UNC fans who don't get it.

Sure. Just because your friend's friends are all morons then all UNC fans must be. I get it. NOT.

Teams that get successful enough over enough time to generate rabid fan bases ALL have this problem. It's not isolated. Not at Duke, UNC, the NY Yankees, LA Lakers, Boston Celtics, etc.

And Roy has always blown off the value of the ACC tournament for any team that's already a lock to be in the NCAA tournament. He didn't "denigrate" this particular tournament any more today than he's denigrated it since he came to the ACC. But like others have said, I don't see how that matters since how he feels about it in general doesn't affect how hard he prepares for it or wants to win. They gave it their all, and any UNC fans who think otherwise are just fooling themselves. But they are also right that the bigger fish is still out there to be caught.

spifi

03-14-2009, 11:08 PM

Does anyone know whether Roy expressed similar feelings about the Big 12 tourney during his days at Kansas or is his dislike of conference tournaments a recent development?

He hated that tourney even worse, because he was usually a bigger favorite to win it than he's ever been at UNC and was always a lock to get in the NCAA anyway. But they won plenty of them, so they sure didn't blow it off as far as effort was concerned.

davekay1971

03-15-2009, 09:06 AM

I don't think Roy's actions have damaged the tournament. The trend for several years, as the NCAA tournament has become more popular and more of a focus, is for both the regular season and the major conference tournaments to mean less, except as they relate to seeding. I find it personally distasteful for Roy to dismiss the ACC tournament as he does, because I love the regional traditions of ACC basketball as much as I love the NCAA tournament. The ACC tournament is a good, old-fashioned, regional bragging rights contest. It would be nice to see people who should care about the tradition of the conference support the tournament, like Coach K does. Roy played at Kerlina, coached next to Deano...he should know better.

As for the Carowhina fans, they have taken Roy's attitude to use as an excuse if they don't win the tournament. Last year, especially after Kansas beat their butts down, winning the ACC tournament was the greatest accomplishment that ever happened and the mark of a successful season. This year, before the ACC tournament, they were preparing their excuses, "The tournament means nothing, we're resting Lawson, we're getting ready to win the one that matters, we're already the ACC champions" etc. And that's what they'll keep saying until this year's collapse.

dukegirlinsc

03-15-2009, 09:33 AM

Excuses are like buttholes....

It seems like this was discussed the last time UNC made an early exit. The whole resting thing is nice, but jeez, you're going to get 4-5 days without a game anyways. And we've all seen what too long of a "rest" can do to teams at times. Of course they wanted to win, some of their delusional fans just need a reason to make themselves feel better.

The last time UNC lost in the quarter-finals, they went on to win the National Championship. BARF.

Wheat/"/"/"

03-15-2009, 09:59 AM

UNC fans make excuses for everything, and blame conspiracy theories for everything else, this is why I detest their fanbase.

After all the conspiracy theories about Lawson faking the toe injury coming from Duke fans, I find this comment pretty funny.

As a UNC fan, I do not like many of the comments coming from some UNC players, and coach.
This was the last ACC tournament for many of the players, and I thought they played hard, but just came up short against a very good FSU team. Too many mistakes by the freshmen and a poor game by Green. FSU was better.

You know TH wanted to win bad, and break JJ's record against Duke in the final. They tried hard to win that game, no matter what is being said.

It would have been much better to just give FSU their due, comment on how we have to get better play from Green and the bench, and move on to focus on the NCAA's.

To downplay the loss as no big deal is a disservice to the league.

longtimefan

03-15-2009, 10:22 AM

The last time UNC lost in the quarter-finals, they went on to win the National Championship. BARF.

That is all i keep hearing from unc fans.
No one plays to lose period.if your four or forty you play to win.

namvet1965

03-15-2009, 10:27 AM

it is indeed argiably the best tournament, but the winner of the argument says that that ended with expanion of both conf. and ncaa tournament field. No longer do we only send only one team! Stop the hate mongering towards UNC. Remember NCSU is the enemy . Hs been ever since Everette Case came down from Indiana and put both Duke and UNC at the bottom! Shame3 on you for knocking TH so viciously and constantly! I'm sure the Duke team does not feel that way. As a fan I am of the opinion that we need to lose some of the arrogsance and show our long time class here. We should be playing UNC today, not freaking FSU who despises both of us. Believe me, I know. Have family in S. Feorgia, Alabama, and N. Florida.

blueprofessor

03-15-2009, 10:42 AM

After all the conspiracy theories about Lawson faking the toe injury coming from Duke fans, I find this comment pretty funny.

As a UNC fan, I do not like many of the comments coming from some UNC players, and coach.
This was the last ACC tournament for many of the players, and I thought they played hard, but just came up short against a very good FSU team. Too many mistakes by the freshmen and a poor game by Green. FSU was better.

You know TH wanted to win bad, and break JJ's record against Duke in the final. They tried hard to win that game, no matter what is being said.

It would have been much better to just give FSU their due, comment on how we have to get better play from Green and the bench, and move on to focus on the NCAA's.

To downplay the loss as no big deal is a disservice to the league.

an early departure from the ACC tourney.They went home ,re-tooled ,and won the NC.
Lawson obviously had a serious injury, or a non-serious injury aggravated by the Duke game, and ,in his absence, the team played hard in 2 games.They get to rest and Lawson can heal.

It may be deja vu, all over again.

Best--Blueprof:)

moonpie23

03-15-2009, 10:48 AM

if arrogance was electricity, sharon harris would cower in the shadow of UNC.

Wheat/"/"/"

03-15-2009, 12:36 PM

It may be deja vu, all over again.

We can only hope :)

I did see some positives in the past two UNC games without Lawson... The freshman Drew is starting to feel a little more confident out there, tho still making too many mental mistakes. I really like his entry passing, it is better than Frasor's and Lawson's and something that I think UNC could improve on. He has pretty good court vision, he just needs to catch up to the speed of the college game.
UNC will be in solid hands next year with him at the point and Deon/Davis/Zeller in the post. He'll be more of a Jimmy Black type player as his decision making improves. I can live with that.
Davis is also playing pretty well over all, but also making freshman mistakes. The final FSU play where TH lost the ball trying to force it in began with Davis rushing a pass and getting it deflected, causing the play to break down.
The thing about freshmen is they do get better as they get to play, which is another reason I would have loved to see UNC win the FSU game. All three, including Zeller, could have benefited by playing in another big time game.
That's another reaason why it's so stupid to act like it just didn't matter that UNC lost. It's a missed opportunity to get better.

elvis14

03-15-2009, 01:29 PM

Sure. Just because your friend's friends are all morons then all UNC fans must be. I get it. NOT.

This was just the latest example of behavior from UNC fans, newbie. Also, I didn't use the term "morons". I've lived in the triangle for 18 years now, I get it even if you don't. I've been around UNC fans every day for years. The example I posted from yesterday was an example of the attitude I have noticed in many many UNC fans over the years. I posted about the conversation yesterday because it was a clear example of the poor attitude of UNC fans and the lack of respect they give to other programs.

This was your 6th post and every single one of your posts has been something defending UNC. Are you aware that there is a board called Inside Carolina for posts like yours?

spifi

03-15-2009, 01:52 PM

This was just the latest example of behavior from UNC fans, newbie. Also, I didn't use the term "morons". I've lived in the triangle for 18 years now, I get it even if you don't. I've been around UNC fans every day for years. The example I posted from yesterday was an example of the attitude I have noticed in many many UNC fans over the years. I posted about the conversation yesterday because it was a clear example of the poor attitude of UNC fans and the lack of respect they give to other programs.

This was your 6th post and every single one of your posts has been something defending UNC. Are you aware that there is a board called Inside Carolina for posts like yours?

Ooh, yes, just because I'm a newbie to this board then I can't state an opinion here? Just because I respect the fans of all programs I'm supposed to be posting somewhere else? Thanks for the kind welcome, I appreciate that. You're stereotyping, plain and simple. You're hypocrisy knows no bounds on this "respect" issue.

So far your only dispute with anything I've posted has been that apparently all UNC fans suck. Is that where we are?

Should I help you out and point out that I'm an NCSU grad? I've posted facts, little more. Maybe "moron" was a poor choice of words, but that was the closest thing I could come up with to what you implied without actually giving them a single name. It had been a long day. So sue me.

CameronBornAndBred

03-15-2009, 02:07 PM

This was your 6th post and every single one of your posts has been something defending UNC. Are you aware that there is a board called Inside Carolina for posts like yours?
There is nothing wrong with defending the heels fans, it is all opinion. I'm not a big fan of reading posts like yours, however, that attack another poster for expressing those opinions, regardless of whether it's their 6th post or # 2000. And yes, spifi's use of "morons" was a poor choice, both of y'all are attacking each other, instead of sticking to the point of the thread.

killerleft

03-15-2009, 02:10 PM

There are WAY more Chapaheeya fans than Duke fans in North Carolina. So many, in fact, that more are wankers than there are Duke fans.

Should State start winning again, we can include State fans as well.:p

Wake's pro-style home antics leave them out of the discussion.

Devil in the Blue Dress

03-15-2009, 02:53 PM

elvis14

03-15-2009, 03:14 PM

Ooh, yes, just because I'm a newbie to this board then I can't state an opinion here? Just because I respect the fans of all programs I'm supposed to be posting somewhere else? Thanks for the kind welcome, I appreciate that. You're stereotyping, plain and simple. You're hypocrisy knows no bounds on this "respect" issue.

So far your only dispute with anything I've posted has been that apparently all UNC fans suck. Is that where we are?

Should I help you out and point out that I'm an NCSU grad? I've posted facts, little more. Maybe "moron" was a poor choice of words, but that was the closest thing I could come up with to what you implied without actually giving them a single name. It had been a long day. So sue me.

I'll be more clear. With your first reply you basically stated that my friends wife and her UNC homers are "morons" and that just because they are morons that doesn't mean that all UNC fans are morons. I agree with that statement and it would be wrong if I based my opinion of UNC fans on just those few people. I do have a low opinion of UNC fans (in regards to basketball only) based not just on those few morons but the many many UNC fans I have met and talked basketball with. In other words, it's not an error on my part based on a small sample size. I live in RTP and I'm around UNC fans every day. What I have observed is that they generally show little to no respect for other programs. Are there exceptions? Of course, I know at least 2 UNC fans that are knowlegeable and can discuss the game without a strong light-blue bias. I posted about yesterday's conversation because it was a hyperbole of what I see from most UNC fans.

I apologise if I made you feel not welcome that was not my intent.

elvis14

03-15-2009, 03:15 PM

There is nothing wrong with defending the heels fans, it is all opinion. I'm not a big fan of reading posts like yours, however, that attack another poster for expressing those opinions, regardless of whether it's their 6th post or # 2000. And yes, spifi's use of "morons" was a poor choice, both of y'all are attacking each other, instead of sticking to the point of the thread.

You are right, I should have left that sentence out of my post. I apologise.