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rthomas
04-05-2007, 02:26 PM
OK, WVU loses Beilein - that's bad enough - I've been in a funk since his announcement.

Now, I hear that Bobby Huggins is replacing him. Now, I want to shoot myself.

WTF???!! I'm going to have a drink. Or two. I hope foxsports is wrong!

feldspar
04-05-2007, 02:45 PM
OK, WVU loses Beilein - that's bad enough - I've been in a funk since his announcement.

Now, I hear that Bobby Huggins is replacing him. Now, I want to shoot myself.

WTF???!! I'm going to have a drink. Or two. I hope foxsports is wrong!

You're the only WVU fan that I know personally, rt. I was thinkin' about you when I heard the news. My condolences. :(

MulletMan
04-05-2007, 02:46 PM
I'm going to have a drink. Or two.

I bet Huggy-bear will join you... and then drive you home!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist...)

FireOgilvie
04-05-2007, 02:48 PM
He's definitely going to WVU. What a $#^@#%@#. I can't believe he would go to KSU for a season, get the #1 recruiting class and then bail out. He's such a classless ^@#%#.

CY_devil
04-05-2007, 03:04 PM
I agree, what he did was classless and unethical. But, KSU knew what they were getting into when they hired him. WVU could have done better IMO.

Also, Exodus from BIGXII might not stop with Huggins. Reportedly, UK has contacted Barnes through their coach search company.

CY

dcarp23
04-05-2007, 03:04 PM
That is truly unbelievable. What is the protocol for kids who have signed letters of intent? Is Bill Walker just going to go ahead and declare?

Patrick Yates
04-05-2007, 03:10 PM
League already ruled he was ineligible for this year's draft.

I gotta believe that the NCAA clearing house will invalidate the LOI of Walker and Beasley and let them go elsewhere. If not, our game is really screwed up.

Patrick Yates

FireOgilvie
04-05-2007, 03:15 PM
That is truly unbelievable. What is the protocol for kids who have signed letters of intent? Is Bill Walker just going to go ahead and declare?

He can't until next season.

I really hope Rick Barnes leaves Texas. That would be fantastic. GG goes to Texas... they rejoice... Rick Barnes leaves... they cry.

However, I think it would probably be better for Texas in the long run... the guy has no idea what he's doing out there. He's a good recruiter but an overrated coach.

FireOgilvie
04-05-2007, 03:17 PM
League already ruled he was ineligible for this year's draft.

I gotta believe that the NCAA clearing house will invalidate the LOI of Walker and Beasley and let them go elsewhere. If not, our game is really screwed up.

Patrick Yates

Walker already played for them and is enrolled. He would have to sit out a year. He's really in a bad position right now. Beasley can just go wherever he wants to assuming KSU lets him. Supposedly KSU is trying to keep Dalonte Hill so Beasley might stay... he's the one that recruited him.

DevilAlumna
04-05-2007, 03:19 PM
I bet Huggy-bear will join you... and then drive you home!

My vote for post of the day! (though my wet keyboard would disagree.)

throatybeard
04-05-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm sorry, RT.

At least Rich Rodriguez stayed.

Patrick Yates
04-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Walker already played for them and is enrolled. He would have to sit out a year. He's really in a bad position right now. Beasley can just go wherever he wants to assuming KSU lets him. Supposedly KSU is trying to keep Dalonte Hill so Beasley might stay... he's the one that recruited him.

His situation was wierd where the high school coalition ruled him ineligible after the school year started, and he enrolled at KSU mid semester, and was hurt in the midst of the first decent game he played.

I hope the NCAA finds pity in their hearts for this kid, even if he follow Huggs to WVU. I know it would be rewarding a jerk, but the kid should come first. He has been fornicated, up against a wall, with an iron stick, with his pants still on, by several organizations that exist to ostensibly "protect the kid's interests." Well, look out for them then. Let the kid transfer, even if he has to sit out for a semester (should be a penalty free transfer, but I can accept some ineligibility), or better yet, until the new year. Probably won't happen, but it darn well should.

Also, regarding Beasly and Hill, I can't believe that Huggs would leave unless at least Beasly was coming with him.

Patrick Yates

Wander
04-05-2007, 03:30 PM
But, KSU knew what they were getting into when they hired him.

Exactly. You can't have too much sympathy for KSU.

FireOgilvie
04-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Also, regarding Beasly and Hill, I can't believe that Huggs would leave unless at least Beasly was coming with him.




He might go with him... I just know that Huggins has always wanted to go back to WV where he was from/went to school/grad. assist. coach, etc. so it might not matter. I feel bad for everyone that has to deal with this guy. KSU gives him a second chance that hardly anyone else would have given him, he takes it, and then a year later blows them off.

Also, this is a huge kick in the teeth to Kansas State fans. Ticket prices doubled in the last year and the athetlic department completely changed the policies for season tickets, etc. Huggins really screwed over a lot of people with this move.

crimsonandblue
04-05-2007, 04:02 PM
Some third hand inside info is indicating Barnes will take the UK job. Likely that UT will then immediately look to Gillispie at A&M and A&M and KState will be the teams hosed in the Big XII by the coaching carousel. I'd rather Texas take someone from outside the conference, but other than Crean, Hewitt or maybe Mark Few, I can't see anyone who's as good an alternative as Gillispie.

I was happy that Colorado got the Air Force coach. It's a little sad that KState will likely have its recruiting class disintegrate, but I suppose I'll live. I know Huggins isn't a great person, but his teams play well and hard, so while there may be some nose holding involved, the team's play is unlikely to suffer under Huggins.

I do feel for Bill Walker, but his goose is cooked.

Meanwhile, I hear that Arkansas is now accepting applications from junior high assistant coaches for their head job.

mgtr
04-05-2007, 04:14 PM
I don't feel the least bit sorry for KSU or WVa -- if you go to bed with dogs, you shouldn't be surprised when you wake up with fleas.

adam
04-05-2007, 04:40 PM
Stay for 1 season and then bail, huh? He must have taken lessons from Dennis Erickson. Just ask the Idaho Vandals. :)

adam
04-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Meanwhile, I hear that Arkansas is now accepting applications from junior high assistant coaches for their head job.

I coached a pee-wee team once... Think they'd hire me? :)

By the way, it's official now... Huggins resigned from K-State this afternoon. The ESPN story can be found here: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2827212

Deslok
04-05-2007, 05:21 PM
No info or anything, but I find it hard to see a coach going from A&M to Texas.

lavell12
04-05-2007, 05:30 PM
There are some reports that Michael Beasley isn't sure if he wants to follow Huggins to WVA but isn't sure he wants to stay at K State either so we should try and get this kid if he backs out of K State.

throatybeard
04-05-2007, 05:32 PM
There are some reports that Michael Beasley isn't sure if he wants to follow Huggins to WVA but isn't sure he wants to stay at K State either so we should try and get this kid if he backs out of K State.

How is that even remotely likely? We're already in a scholarship crunch.

dyedwab
04-05-2007, 05:38 PM
Likely that UT will then immediately look to Gillispie at A&M and A&M and KState will be the teams hosed in the Big XII by the coaching carousel. I'd rather Texas take someone from outside the conference, but other than Crean, Hewitt or maybe Mark Few, I can't see anyone who's as good an alternative as Gillispie.

Didn't A&M just extend Gillespie? Boy wouldn't that just stoke those long seething tribal hatreds between A&M and Texas....

rthomas
04-05-2007, 05:42 PM
Thanks to everyone for their condolences.

So the official WVU story is: Beilein wanted out so he's paying his own 2.5 million dollar buyout to move to Michigan. WVU looks at coaching options, Huggins want to come home to Morgantown so he's a great choice.

I had a meeting this morning with an Associate Provost (completely unrelated to basketball of course). This is the unofficial story: The associate provost had a meeting with our President the day after the NIT championship. Our president was playing with a piece of the NIT net and looked glum so the AP putting 2 and 2 together said, "Don't tell me Beilein is leaving." The president said "yes, he's leaving." The AP then says, "Well we'll be allright as long as we don't go after Huggins." The President looked at the AP, shook his head and said "It's been in the works for weeks."

What??? So who can blame Beilein for wanting to get the hell out of Dodge. OK and on top of it all, apparently the Michigan lawyers went through the Beilein contract and found that there is no time constraint on paying the 2.5 million buyout. It could be 100K over the next 25 years. Now that is funny.

You think your AD should be fired?

throatybeard
04-05-2007, 06:21 PM
That story is somewhat similar to the story about how Chancellor Marye Ann Fox left NC State for UCSD. That, basically, UNC system prez Molly Broad leaked her "completed" departure to the press before it was anywhere near decided. Except that Broad basically did it to get rid of Fox.

Throaty, waiting to see if WVU will hire MSU's president Fogelsong away to replace Chancellor Hardesty (as has been rumored).

rthomas
04-05-2007, 06:35 PM
Throaty,
The finalists have been set for President Hardesty's replacement. MSU's president Fogelsong was not one of the finalist. YET. If you think Beileingate is crazy, you should hear what is going on with the president job. It's unbelievable.
rt

dukelifer
04-05-2007, 08:04 PM
There are some reports that Michael Beasley isn't sure if he wants to follow Huggins to WVA but isn't sure he wants to stay at K State either so we should try and get this kid if he backs out of K State.

Who is we? Duke was never recruiting him. He was also looking at Pittsburgh which is actually near WVa. I will bet if he leaves KState- he (another Brewer) will joing Patrick Patterson ( another Noah), and Jai Lucas (another Green) in Fla with another McDonalds All American Calathes who will assume the role of the outside gunner Humphrey . That is a junior version of what just left for the NBA.

crimsonandblue
04-05-2007, 08:20 PM
Barnes has supposedly elected to stay at Texas. Pretty stunning. Gillispie probably won't stay at A&M if offered and it's thought he's next for UK...

Susan
04-05-2007, 08:29 PM
We need to print new "I said No" t-shirts... this time for Kentucky!

Here's a link that mentions Barnes staying put at Texas: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2827053

Channing
04-05-2007, 08:53 PM
Who is we? Duke was never recruiting him. He was also looking at Pittsburgh which is actually near WVa. I will bet if he leaves KState- he (another Brewer) will joing Patrick Patterson ( another Noah), and Jai Lucas (another Green) in Fla with another McDonalds All American Calathes who will assume the role of the outside gunner Humphrey . That is a junior version of what just left for the NBA.

except i would be shocked if Beasley is anything more than a 1 and done.

chris13
04-05-2007, 08:53 PM
I have never heard that story. Do you know why this was done? Was Fox annoyed? Did this action lead to Molly's departure in favor of Erskine?

ArkieDukie
04-05-2007, 10:48 PM
Meanwhile, I hear that Arkansas is now accepting applications from junior high assistant coaches for their head job.

Personally, I'm holding out hope that they'll hire Patrick Davidson.

ArkieDukie
04-05-2007, 11:00 PM
We need to print new "I said No" t-shirts... this time for Kentucky!

Or Arkansas. How's this for a list: Billy Gillispie, Bill Self, Tim Floyd, Tom Crean, John Calipari, Dana Altman. (I think that's everyone who was reportedly offered the job.)

Oh, and I actually saw Matt Doherty's name on a Razorback message board as a potential choice for the new head coach. I honestly hope that someone without inside info was just proposing a name and that he's not really a candidate. What are the odds of 2 different coaching searches with a long and distinguished list of rejections ending with the name "Matt Doherty"?! Maybe KY will hire him first.

throatybeard
04-06-2007, 09:22 PM
I have never heard that story. Do you know why this was done? Was Fox annoyed? Did this action lead to Molly's departure in favor of Erskine?

I wish I could tell you more accurately or more authoritatively, Chris. I was around State at the time and I first heard this from a person in the Provost's at the time. The person I heard it from has moved on from State. All I can say it that it was "reported fact" at the time rather than "now here's an interesting rumor I heard."

There's a lot of secrecy above the Dean level in searches. (Hell, if you've got sense, you're secretive about your action at other schools all the way down to the asst professor level, until things are signed). The way I heard it, MAF got an offer from Cal-San Diego, and told Broad, not necessarily intending to leave, but seeing if State could match or do some other things for her or something. Broad was sick of her and had someone leak news of MAF's [supposed] finalized departure to UCSD, leaving MAF no option but to go. They then promoted Oblinger to Chancellor, I think, after a not terribly long search.

Again, I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but it was presented to me as news rather than gossip. It had been no secret that MAF was very difficult to get along with, so it's certainly plausible.

I have no idea about anything concerning the Broad to Bowles transtion.

rthomas
04-07-2007, 07:43 AM
Seems like I am the only one who is pessimistic about Thuggings at WVU. Maybe I just got used to the integrity of Krzyzewski and then Beilein.

Even Jerry West (who's son redshirted this year) is enthusiastic about Thuggy.

http://www.dailymail.com/story/News/2007040633/WVU-fans-optimistic-about-Huggins/