Who would we hire if GG left?

[Ima Facultiwyfe]

If Gail does go, where do we look for her replacement? I have an idea. Let's get Wojo!!! Wouldn't that be awesome?:D

Love, Ima

[sellyoursol]

Just throwing this out there, with no real rhyme or reason, and no indication of his interest in such a position...

Why not Tommy Amaker?

[Kewlswim]

Hi,

I like the idea of Wojo, but I LOVE the idea of Coach Boyle from Cal. She was on G's staff at Duke, went to Duke, and is an AWESOME coach. She would be my first choice if she wanted to come back home.

GO DUKE!

[arnie]

For what it is worth, Jay Williams expressed an opinion today on little Packer's show that G would stay. He is contact with the players and they are confident she will remain at Duke. And yes I am embarrased that I listened to 20 minutes of the show!

[Kewlswim]

For what it is worth, Jay Williams expressed an opinion today on little Packer's show that G would stay. He is contact with the players and they are confident she will remain at Duke. And yes I am embarrased that I listened to 20 minutes of the show!


Hi,

Why are you embarassed you listened to twenty minutes of the show?

GO DUKE!

[arnie]

Little Packer belittles Duke, Coach K. and about everything else he discusses. I still remember his dad as Mr. Cash and little p has a similar demeanor. John Kilgo, one of least classy "journalists" ever, is a regular on hte show. I am embarrased that I listened.

[dukepsy1963]

or something more personal? She has plenty of challenges ahead at Duke I should think...but who knows.

[Exiled_Devil]

Little Packer belittles Duke, Coach K. and about everything else he discusses. I still remember his dad as Mr. Cash and little p has a similar demeanor. John Kilgo, one of least classy "journalists" ever, is a regular on hte show. I am embarrased that I listened.

Is that "packman" on 620 the bull? I find him irritating, but I really enjoy it when Gminski is on with him. Gman is a lot of fun to listen to, and they are much more lose than a game broadcast where he usually appears.

Exiled

[burnspbesq]

That's why the Golden Bears are working feverishly to sign Coach Boyle to a major extension. Dawn Staley (who would have been my first choice) has already leveraged the mere possibility of an opening at Duke into a huge upgrade and extension of her deal at Temple. Arizona State threw some more money at Turner-Thorne. Michigan State reworked McCallie's contract. Coach G is enriching a number of her fellow coaches.

As I said, Staley would have been my first choice. With her out of the picture, and assuming (1) Coale won't leave Oklahoma and (2) Glance won't leave State, I think my first choice is the Bowling Green coach, but that raises an interesting question. Would the Women's Studies community at Duke freak out if a male coach was brought in to coach the women's team?

[ohioguy2]

That's why the Golden Bears are working feverishly to sign Coach Boyle to a major extension. Dawn Staley (who would have been my first choice) has already leveraged the mere possibility of an opening at Duke into a huge upgrade and extension of her deal at Temple. Arizona State threw some more money at Turner-Thorne. Michigan State reworked McCallie's contract. Coach G is enriching a number of her fellow coaches.

As I said, Staley would have been my first choice. With her out of the picture, and assuming (1) Coale won't leave Oklahoma and (2) Glance won't leave State, I think my first choice is the Bowling Green coach, but that raises an interesting question. Would the Women's Studies community at Duke freak out if a male coach was brought in to coach the women's team?

My first coaching choice would also be the Bowling Green coach. It seems as if the B.G. community has accepted that he will leave--Michigan is interviewing him (a graveyard for women's coaches). He has settled into the town of Bowling Green and some say it will be hard for him to leave.

[dockfan]

What about Anne Donovan?

Then both the men's and women's US National team head coaches would be at Duke! :rolleyes:

My money would be on Coach McCallie from MSU, though.

Plus, don't forget about Carolyn Peck either.

[Highlander]

Packman's not that bad. I listen a few times a week during basketball/football season. I like him because he's fairly honest and he gives you his opinion without a whole lot of derogatory comments (like Jim Rome, for example). When Duke is good, he'll say we're good. When we're not (like this year, or like every year in football) he'll call a spade a spade. He's a Clemson guy, so he cares more about football than basketball anyway.

I like the morning guys better. Jay Bilas calls in weekly during bball season which is always worth a listen...

[bluey]

Would the Women's Studies community at Duke freak out if a male coach was brought in to coach the women's team?

Absolutely and so would alot of other people. One of the things G has done is have an all female coaching staff. I hope that nevers changes at Duke. The leading choice is Boyle by far.

Girl Power! :)

[CMS2478]

How about Billy Donovan??? There are rumors everywhere that he is leaving Florida and he has gotten good at coaching girls (Noah). :D

[DevilWolf]

Pokey Chatman? She did a hell of a job at LSU and has an unmatched winning percentage. I don't think her baggage is that difficult to overcome, she seems very likeable, has experience at a program with a lot of exposure and pressure, has won some great recruiting battles, and I'm guessing she'd come in with a big chip on her shoulder to do some great things at a big-time program. I may be wrong, but I can't think of any black head coaches at Duke off the top of my head either.

[ikiru36]

Pokey Chatman? She did a hell of a job at LSU and has an unmatched winning percentage. I don't think her baggage is that difficult to overcome, she seems very likeable, has experience at a program with a lot of exposure and pressure, has won some great recruiting battles, and I'm guessing she'd come in with a big chip on her shoulder to do some great things at a big-time program. I may be wrong, but I can't think of any black head coaches at Duke off the top of my head either.

I dig your final point, but that baggage is pretty high for her to be the first, second, or even third candidate with Boyle, Staley, McCallie, Donovan (and, heck, Amaker) out there (some of whom meet this "criteria" anyways). First choice, keep Coach G, if reasonably possible!

Go Duke!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Devils!!!!!!!!!!!! GTHCGTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kewlswim]

Hi,

Coach Tara VanDerveer at Stanford may need a change of scenery. Her teams have recently underachieved (sound familiar). I've heard alumni grumbling about her lately. Hard to believe that she would feel the heat from alumni after doing so well, but such is the life of a coach. If Coach G left, and I was the A.D., I would ask to speak with Coach VanDerveer if only to get a perspective from someone at a school that is very similar to Duke. Most other schools with powerful women's programs seem to be state schools. Anyway, Coach VanDerveer to Duke would be an interesting situation, now wouldn't it? :D

GO DUKE! STAY COACH G!

[arnie]

My experience listening to Packman is probably more negative because I usually only listen during "whiner line" as I am driving home. I find that part of the show to be ridiculous and extremely derogatory toward Duke and K.

Sometimes it is hard to differentiate between Packer's thoughts and other radio voices.

[Rich]

How about Katie Meier, Duke Class of 1989, now head coach at Miami.
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/meier_katie00.html

[adam]

First and foremost, I really hope Coach G decides to stay. She's built the ladies team into a dominant powerhouse that will compete for the national championship every year. In my mind, only two other programs can realistically say that... Tennessee and Connecticut.

However, if Coach G decides to leave, let me throw something out there... What about talking to Majerus (formerly at Utah) or Montgomery (formerly at Stanford)? I realize it's highly unlikely that they would "switch" from men's to women's, but it's not something that hasn't been done before (Dave Magarity (Army), for example).

As for women's coaches, Pokey is the first one that comes to mind. I realize she might have some baggage, but I think Duke would be silly to not look into her at the very least. She demonstrated at LSU that she certainly knows how to coach and can run a very successful program.

[walras]

The Chronicle is announcing right now that G has accepted the Texas job -- press conference soon.

[gadzooks]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I think I'm gonna cry.

[Highlander]

Yeah, the whiner line is basically full of blowhards looking to share whatever smack they thought up while listening to an idiot caller earlier in the day.

Packer did have Jim Young on the other day, who is a Duke Grad currently working for the Greensboro News & Record. Plus the G-Man comes on semi-regularly, and Bilas has a weekly section in the morning. So Duke is fairly well represented.

I'd recommend Gary and Jim on your way into work on the Morning Sports Page if Packer's not your style. More substance, less calls, less smack.

[ikiru36]

How about Katie Meier, Duke Class of 1989, now head coach at Miami.
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/meier_katie00.html

Meier is another good thought, though I generally deride poaching coaches from within the conference. Not sure why, exactly, but it just doesn't seem cool. (Though the strong former school ties definitely make it more acceptable, in this case.)

Also, if we pursue someone with a Duke tie, I'd prefer someone with a tie to Coach G (as player or assistant coach) as that can be it's own point of connection with the current team and with incoming recruits.

[ikiru36]

The biggest problem with many of the other possible coaches out there is how easy their names are to spell. It's pretty clear by now what works for Duke Basketball!

;0)

[madscavenger]

We should retain George Gilder at all costs.

Whoops, wrong forum(however a defense reacting at the speed of light would be difficult to break down - you'd have to ride the proper lambda, but if the defense used CDMA it might be sufficiently disguised that even that might not work).

[bludev03]

Duke should make a SERIOUS pitch to Jen Rizzotti. She'd be my #1, #2, and #3 choice! Katie Mier cant coach worth a flip (what has her Miami teams done??) And i've not been impressed w/ JBoyle.

[BDevilU]

Pete Gaudet

[daredevil]

Think about it.

Women's basketball isn't about quick riches to the WNBA. It's about getting an education and playing college basketball. What top female player wouldn't want to goto Duke as long as they have a good coach?

The two main questions to ask is:
1) Why hasn't Coach G not been able to win a NCAA title given the level of talent she had?

2) Coach G said it was all about "the people". Which people was she referring to? She forget about the most important ones... her players?!? I can't blame her for wanting a change of scenes, but at least be open and honest about it.

[Kewlswim]

Duke should make a SERIOUS pitch to Jen Rizzotti. She'd be my #1, #2, and #3 choice! Katie Mier cant coach worth a flip (what has her Miami teams done??) And i've not been impressed w/ JBoyle.


Hi,

I have been VERY impressed with Coach Boyle. She took a lackluster Cal team and really turned it around. I think we would be in good hands with her.

GO DUKE!

[killerleft]

Not necessarily serious, but Johnny Dawkins would seem to be a great choice. His quiet demeanor and earnestness would work very well in the women's game. Name recognition would be a plus, and recruits may very well want to play for him. Anybody else think there is merit to this?

[dukelifer]

Not necessarily serious, but Johnny Dawkins would seem to be a great choice. His quiet demeanor and earnestness would work very well in the women's game. Name recognition would be a plus, and recruits may very well want to play for him. Anybody else think there is merit to this?
Great choice- he can recruit- he loves Duke and will likely not leave and he can learn to coach and then when K is ready to leave- take over the Men's program.

[Duke84Blue]

She took over a Richmond program that went 14-16 and then had three straight 20 win seasons appearing in the post season all three years. Her last season at Richmond they made the NCAA tournament for the first time in 14 years. At Cal, she took over a program that had not made the NCAA in 13 years and led them to a 18-12 record and an NCAA berth. Last year, they went 23-9, made the NCAA tournament and she was named Pac-10 Coach of the Year. She has also coached at the international level working with USA Basketball's U20 women's team. She can coach, she can recruit, she is well respected and she knows the Duke environment.

[Kewlswim]

Hi,

JD likes being the Associate Head Men's Basketball Coach. I think one would have an easier time getting Wojo. However, I think Duke would be best served by hiring a coach with headcoaching experience.

GO DUKE!

[throatybeard]

Mike Sobb.

Well, he was the only person associated with the men's program not yet named in this thread. Other than Krzyzewski.

[beachdevil]

Word has has it that Boyle is in Durham right now - will take job if offered. Has also interviewed at Florida. Read that Cal has been trying to negotiate a contract extension.

[prefan21]

Mike Sobb.

Well, he was the only person associated with the men's program not yet named in this thread. Other than Krzyzewski.How about Jason Williams for head coach?

:p

[Kewlswim]

Word has has it that Boyle is in Durham right now - will take job if offered. Has also interviewed at Florida. Read that Cal has been trying to negotiate a contract extension.


Hi,

I think she will make a great coach. She has Duke ties. I like the choice if it comes to be.

Sometimes, a case like this can be a kick in the pants for those involved. Maybe, if in fact the administration wasn't listening to Coach G, this will make the people involved start to pay attention. Perhaps the new coach will get things that Coach G could have only dreamed of getting.

The future of Duke women's basketball is built on the foundation provided by Coach G. In some ways that means she will never be far from the program.

GO DUKE!

[barjwr]

. . . did anyone think Brenda Frese might look good in the Duke blue during her discussion of Coach G at halftime last night? She's an Arizona alumna, so no real ties to Maryland.

Not to mention that it would likely steam the Twerps something fierce.

[diamond dave]

Here is a second nomination for Katie Meier. Remembering her as a player, especially before her injury, she has a great fire, work ethic, and will to win. The thought that she hasn't accomplished much at Miami is a joke. Their men's basketball team isn't competitve either. It's a football school! Let's go after Katie.

Diamond Dave
E '90

[Ima Facultiwyfe]

Think about it.

Women's basketball isn't about quick riches to the WNBA. It's about getting an education and playing college basketball. What top female player wouldn't want to goto Duke as long as they have a good coach?

The two main questions to ask is:
1) Why hasn't Coach G not been able to win a NCAA title given the level of talent she had?

2) Coach G said it was all about "the people". Which people was she referring to? She forget about the most important ones... her players?!? I can't blame her for wanting a change of scenes, but at least be open and honest about it.
Nope. It shouldn't, but just wait and see. Alleva will manage to foul it up....bless his heart.

Love, Ima
P.S. When I moved to the South, I learned that you can say anything you want about somebody as long as you follow up with "Bless his heart."

[dockfan]

With all due respect to Boyle and Meier, shouldn't Duke be casting a much wider net for coaches? Why wouldn't a current or former WNBA coach be tempted by Duke's job? Anne Donovan, Carolyn Peck, and others? What about major college coaches like Joanne P. McCallie and Dawn Staley?

Would Nell Fortner really stick with Auburn over Duke if they offered??

(Side note: Gosh, as a Texas alum, Nell must not be very happy that she wasn't considered for that job)

While a former Duke player and coach can, and probably will, do a great job with the program, I think if the search starts and ends with one candidate (Boyle), it perhaps indicates that Alleva & Co. STILL don't view the Duke women's basketball program as they should. They should be willing to pay the big bucks to at least attract one of these elite, proven coaches. If they still want to go with Boyle or Meier after interviews with other candidates, that's fine. But I hope Alleva realizes that what Coach G built at Duke will be very hard to sustain without a stronger commitment from the athletic department and the university as a whole.

[killerleft]

I agree with Dockfan, mostly. Duke shouldn't rush and name Joanne Boyle coach just because she has a pretty good resume and went to Duke. Many very good coaches will want the job. If Boyle still is the most impressive, then let's hire her, bless her heart.

[gadzooks]

With all due respect to Boyle and Meier, shouldn't Duke be casting a much wider net for coaches? Why wouldn't a current or former WNBA coach be tempted by Duke's job? Anne Donovan, Carolyn Peck, and others? What about major college coaches like Joanne P. McCallie and Dawn Staley?I agree, Boyle is by all accounts a good coach, but they can and should be looking at others. McCallie and Staley just signed new contracts, so they are probably out, but there are lots of great coaches out there, and Duke has a good enough program, they can get one.

[Jfrosh]

I think Carolyn Peck would be a great hire. Did an awsome job at Purdue, has WNBA experience and is currently available.

[johnb]

I do not think Pokey Chatman will be considered for the Duke job.

[Indoor66]

Nor should she be.

[gadzooks]

What do you need to coach women's Bball at Duke?

1. Recruiting (i.e., a documented ability to seduce potential players).
2. Penetrating assessment of the willingness of players to give it their all.
3. Naked honesty alternating with intimate kindness.
4. Passion for teaching new things to adolescents.
5. Shared desire to reach peak experiences.
6. Despite role as an authority figure, should be interested in letting the player take charge once in a while.
7. A charismatic appeal.
8. Discretion.

While Pokey Chatman fulfills these criteria, I doubt she would be an ethically acceptable choice to Brodhead, Alleva, Krzyz, or anyone in any power at Duke.
Well, that was rude.

[johnb]

It was intended to be a little rude.

from what I understand, Chatman had sexual relationships with more than one of her players. While they were presumably of age, this is an abuse of authority in that they were under her charge. I would be surprised if any university or high school condoned such a recurrent ethical lapse. I think she should be out of coaching, at least for some period of time.

I'd feel differently if the story turns out to be different. For example, if the student had already graduated, then anything goes as far as I'm concerned. It's akin to the difference between a prof/student and a prof/former student. The latter is okay (though some would question it), while the former just isn't acceptable.

[gadzooks]

It was intended to be a little rude.

from what I understand, Chatman had sexual relationships with more than one of her players. While they were presumably of age, this is an abuse of authority in that they were under her charge. I would be surprised if any university or high school condoned such a recurrent ethical lapse. I think she should be out of coaching, at least for some period of time.

I'd feel differently if the story turns out to be different. For example, if the student had already graduated, then anything goes as far as I'm concerned. It's akin to the difference between a prof/student and a prof/former student. The latter is okay (though some would question it), while the former just isn't acceptable.What was the point of posting that in this thread? Yes, a couple people mentioned her name; they're not as bothered by the ethical lapse, apparently, but I don't think that calls for being obnoxious, especially when we still don't know all the details of what went on between her and her players.

[johnb]

Sorry to have offended you.

Upon reflection, I don't think my post was tangential (we were talking about G's replacement, and others had mentioned Pokey as being a good choice) or outrageously rude or obnoxious (sophomoric but not dramatically so) or unfair to her (my understanding is that the facts are as clear as they ever are in this kind of mess, and, if the consensus reports are true, she did seduce young people who were under her care, and I think she has gotten a relatively free ride in the press for a significant transgression).

I'm a reasonable guy, however, and will delete it.

[gadzooks]

I'll admit I'm a bit touchy about the Pokey issue. There's just been so much nastiness and so much homphobic alarmism in the wake of this it's made me rather more sensitive to that sort of thing. FTR, I agree with you that she shouldn't be considered for the Duke job (I seriously doubt she's really under consideration, anyway), since she has done nothing as yet to address the allegations against her. That she immediately resigned and went into hiding does tend to indicate that whatever happened was indeed very wrong, and to call it "baggage" as some earlier in this thread did, is probably underdramatizing the seriousness of the situation.

OK, Pokey hijack over (maybe). :D

[burnspbesq]

I think Carolyn Peck would be a great hire. Did an awsome job at Purdue, has WNBA experience and is currently available.

There is a reason why she's currently available: her record at Florida, which is decidedly underwhelming. In five seasons, right around .500, only two trips to the NCAA tournament, and never reached the Sweet Sixteen. And the best player she managed to recruit, transferred (Bernice Mosby).

Compare that to what Boyle did at Richmond and Cal. The comparison doesn't flatter Peck.

[wxyz]

There is a reason why she's currently available: her record at Florida, which is decidedly underwhelming. In five seasons, right around .500, only two trips to the NCAA tournament, and never reached the Sweet Sixteen. And the best player she managed to recruit, transferred (Bernice Mosby).

Compare that to what Boyle did at Richmond and Cal. The comparison doesn't flatter Peck.

One can turn this around into positives for Carolyn Peck. She's respectable, would accept a low salary, and would be unlikely to make waves about travel, facilities or whatever. There is some possibility for her teams to do unexpectedly well, and if that happened (i.e. lots of fans in seats) then things could be reconsidered at that time. Perhaps just the kind of person Duke is looking for.

[Kewlswim]

One can turn this around into positives for Carolyn Peck. She's respectable, would accept a low salary, and would be unlikely to make waves about travel, facilities or whatever. There is some possibility for her teams to do unexpectedly well, and if that happened (i.e. lots of fans in seats) then things could be reconsidered at that time. Perhaps just the kind of person Duke is looking for.


Hi,

I hope you are so wrong. I can see the logic, but yuck. My goodness has Duke athletics come down to this?

GO DUKE!

[throatybeard]

Football has.

[b&l]

If Coach G's replacement isn't at something like world class level, the program will likely suffer in future recruitments and sink to mediocrity. If Duke wants to maintain the tremendous popularity of the present women's basketball program, they need a top replacement, someone who can keep the stream of top new players coming.
Ironically, we were among those chanting "sit down, Brenda" at this year's Maryland-Duke game, yet, after a thorough discussion, we feel Duke should try to get Brenda Frese. Why? She's proven she can recruit and develop talented players. Further, and perhaps of more importance than one thinks, she doesn't have the monkey on her back of not having won a national championship. Like Coach G still does. Brenda has nothing more to prove. She's won it. No reason to tense up and with her tense up the whole team when trying to get that elusive title. And that flows into another important point. Brenda Frese seems to have the talent to keep her team loose, rather than freezing up at the most critical junctures of the year, like some recent Duke teams have folded. She also is young enough to have a couple decades ahead to build a further Duke dynasty. And not to mention a keen understanding of the ACC. All in all a list of great reasons to hire her that no other coach can match.
We'd love to see Duke go for the gold and at least get someone of Brenda's caliber and experience. It would give us a reason to continue to drive over to Durham for Duke games. If the program falls into mediocrity because of hiring some less than stellar choice, we, and probably quite a few others, would gradually find ourselves losing interest in the Duke women's basketball program. Just as we used to be Duke football fans.
B&L

[adam]

What about talking to Majerus (formerly at Utah) or Montgomery (formerly at Stanford)? I realize it's highly unlikely that they would "switch" from men's to women's, but it's not something that hasn't been done before (Dave Magarity (Army), for example).

As for women's coaches, Pokey is the first one that comes to mind. I realize she might have some baggage, but I think Duke would be silly to not look into her at the very least. She demonstrated at LSU that she certainly knows how to coach and can run a very successful program.

My vote is still for either Majerus or Montgomery. As for women's coaches, I think Duke will be silly not to look into the "Pokey-Gate" situation. She's obviously demonstrated she's an excellent coach. I understand she comes with some baggage attached, but at the very least, Duke should consider her.

[Kewlswim]

Football has.

Hi,

Everytime I complain about Ted Roof, I hear about how the team is playing better, we have better recruits, and the coaching is finally up to par. In other words, I am told to "zip it." So, I must be wrong and football is really a sleeping giant. :( Why do I think it is going to be a long Fall and Spring next year?

GO DUKE!

[gadzooks]

There is a reason why she's currently available: her record at Florida, which is decidedly underwhelming. In five seasons, right around .500, only two trips to the NCAA tournament, and never reached the Sweet Sixteen. And the best player she managed to recruit, transferred (Bernice Mosby).

Compare that to what Boyle did at Richmond and Cal. The comparison doesn't flatter Peck.On the other hand, she went from a 9-19 season to 19-11, in the SEC, which is a tough conference. Her team did have a horrible record this past year, though, so that's a negative. On the other other hand (how many hands is that?), she won that magical national championship at Purdue.

One thing she complained about at Florida was losing recruits to the marquee programs, a problem she wouldn't have so much at Duke.

[barjwr]

. . . we feel Duke should try to get Brenda Frese. . . . .

Is the animus with College Park that bad?