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Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 04:05 PM
Duke vs. Wake Forest is set for 3P on November 1 and will be telecast on ESPN360.

GO DUKE! Beat Wake!

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Correction (I was in a hurry when I started this thread). Game time in Winston-Salem is 3:30P on November 1.

Acymetric
10-20-2008, 04:59 PM
Any tips for trying to get access to espn360 if you don't have a supported broadband provider? Sure would be nice if it was more widely available...why hasn't a deal been worked out with Time Warner anyway?

CameronBornAndBred
10-20-2008, 05:44 PM
I will be in the stands that day! My mom & stepdad live in Va, 1 1/2 hrs. from Winston, I'm heading to their house Friday that means I get to sleep in a bit before heading off to tailgate.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 06:33 PM
I will be in the stands that day! My mom & stepdad live in Va, 1 1/2 hrs. from Winston, I'm heading to their house Friday that means I get to sleep in a bit before heading off to tailgate.
If you want some great BBQ for your tailgate menu, there's a fabulous place on University Parkway, a bit north of the US 52 interchange. The name is Pig 'N' Out.

CameronBornAndBred
10-20-2008, 06:39 PM
If you want some great BBQ for your tailgate menu, there's a fabulous place on University Parkway, a bit north of the US 52 interchange. The name is Pig 'N' Out.

phltttttttt! I make my own!
But I do make make that trip enough to note it on my future trip dinner map, so thanks. Lotta bbq signs on 52, and I'm always reluctant without a recommendation. I bought some bbq at the streetfair last week that I threw away...sad thing to eat bad bbq.

throatybeard
10-20-2008, 06:39 PM
I'll be there. First Duke FB game for me since 2003.

CameronBornAndBred
10-20-2008, 06:44 PM
I will have 2 extra tix to the game if anyone is interested. I was hoping my dad and stepson could join me, but unfortunately neither can make it. They are on the Duke sidelines, sec 13 row L for reference. Would love to have a friendly face to yell with. Face value, PM me.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 07:09 PM
phltttttttt! I make my own!
But I do make make that trip enough to note it on my future trip dinner map, so thanks. Lotta bbq signs on 52, and I'm always reluctant without a recommendation. I bought some bbq at the streetfair last week that I threw away...sad thing to eat bad bbq.
I recommend only the finest! The style is western NC with fabulous BBQ slaw. The banana pudding is made from a cooked custard base and finished with real meringue on top. The strawberry cake is very good as well.

DBFAN
10-20-2008, 10:31 PM
I hate to do this, but I would not go to Pig N Out, most people in Winston will go to Mr. Barbecue on Stratford Rd. It is only about 5 to 10 mins away from the stadium. Or go North on Highway 52 one exit past the stadium exit (which is Akron, I think) and get on Patterson Ave. and go to Carolina Barbecue, which is only 5 minutes at the most from the Stadium, and much easier to get to since it is right off the Highway. They are both Lexington style, (which is the best, and I am unanimous in that decision):cool: Both of those places are far better, local family owned joints. Anybody around the stadium could tell you how to get there, or just punch it in on your GPS.

DBFAN
10-20-2008, 10:37 PM
Mr. Barbecue is on Peters Creek Pkwy. Still only 5 minutes away from the stadium. Try one of those places you will be glad you did

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 10:50 PM
I hate to do this, but I would not go to Pig N Out, most people in Winston will go to Mr. Barbecue on Stratford Rd. It is only about 5 to 10 mins away from the stadium. Or go North on Highway 52 one exit past the stadium exit (which is Akron, I think) and get on Patterson Ave. and go to Carolina Barbecue, which is only 5 minutes at the most from the Stadium, and much easier to get to since it is right off the Highway. They are both Lexington style, (which is the best, and I am unanimous in that decision):cool: Both of those places are far better, local family owned joints. Anybody around the stadium could tell you how to get there, or just punch it in on your GPS.
We can agree to disagree on which is better. I haven't polled most of the people in WS, but most of the people I know go to Pig 'N' Out. My family patronized Mr. Barbecue for many years; now we go to Pig 'N' Out. My high school class chose Pig 'N' Out for our recent class reunion.

Pig 'N' Out is family owned just as are Hill's and Little Richard's which you didn't mention, but also favored by many in the WS area. These are all varying degrees of good BBQ.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-20-2008, 11:13 PM
I hate to do this, but I would not go to Pig N Out, most people in Winston will go to Mr. Barbecue on Stratford Rd. It is only about 5 to 10 mins away from the stadium. Or go North on Highway 52 one exit past the stadium exit (which is Akron, I think) and get on Patterson Ave. and go to Carolina Barbecue, which is only 5 minutes at the most from the Stadium, and much easier to get to since it is right off the Highway. They are both Lexington style, (which is the best, and I am unanimous in that decision):cool: Both of those places are far better, local family owned joints. Anybody around the stadium could tell you how to get there, or just punch it in on your GPS.

Perhaps you are thinking of Pig Pickins of America, not Pig 'N' Out. I can't find a Carolina Barbecue in the phone book.

It's my understanding that the owner of Pig 'N' Out was part owner of Mr. Barbecue at one time. The style of BBQ is Lexington or western NC. The restaurant is in high demand for catering and has many return customers. You'll never be served BBQ standing in liquid nor will it be greasy as happens in some other restaurants.

ArnieMc
10-21-2008, 08:40 AM
Shouldn't the title of this thread be Duke vs Kentucky instead of Duke @ Wake Forest?

DBFAN
10-21-2008, 10:43 AM
All I know is that all of the other Pickins in town have closed down, don't get me wrong it is not that bad. I would have mentioned Little Richards but the time it takes to get there from the stadium is not worth it, and I made a mistake I have no idea why I called it Carolina Barbecue, I was referring to Hills Barbecue. So don't spend too much time looking that one up.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-21-2008, 10:55 AM
Shouldn't the title of this thread be Duke vs Kentucky instead of Duke @ Wake Forest?
Sometimes the tailgate distracts from the main event!

After being shut out for the first time since 1998, Wake Forest will be away, playing Miami this coming Saturday. Could be an interesting match up after the game each had this past weekend.

DBFAN
10-21-2008, 01:55 PM
I know the difference between Lexington/Western sauce and Eastern Sauce, but I did not know that Eastern uses the whole pig compared to Lexington style only uses the shoulder. I also did not know that Eastern style uses a very minuscule amount of ingredients. I guess you learn something new everyday.

WakeForest
10-21-2008, 05:36 PM
Little Richards is by far the best BBQ in Winston. Worth the extra few minutes on Country Club Rd.

Acymetric
10-31-2008, 03:23 PM
Does anyone know if the radio broadcast will be online anywhere? I'll be at the game, but someone asked me, and I know someone usually posts a radio link on here. Thanks!

Oh, besides the obvious goduke.com option. Looking for something free.

SushiChef
11-01-2008, 10:28 AM
Does anyone have a workaround for watching the game on ESPN 360 if Time Warner is your internet service provider? (One more reason to hate TWC.)

chrishoke
11-01-2008, 11:14 AM
Nope. I'm going to a sports bar in ralerigh to watch it. Go Duke!

Indoor66
11-01-2008, 11:15 AM
Does anyone have a workaround for watching the game on ESPN 360 if Time Warner is your internet service provider? (One more reason to hate TWC.)

The problem is the same with Comcast. I, too, would like a "workaround". Of course, I will also check here http://www.1010wspc.com/wzky.htm to see if Bob Harris is on the air at 3:30 or I just hear oldies!

camcraz25
11-01-2008, 02:10 PM
I'm a grad student at Auburn, and they have a client you can download that gives you access to the campus network. So I have that, then open up my web browser, and I have access to espn360 (when charter wouldn't give me access). If you're a student, staff, or professor and have some sort of school network access like that, you might try it!

dukeberto
11-01-2008, 02:33 PM
for radio try www.wsfl.com
that's what I used last week for the vandy game

Indoor66
11-01-2008, 02:57 PM
for radio try www.wsfl.com (http://www.wsfl.com)
that's what I used last week for the vandy game

Coach Cut is being interviewed by Bob Harris on http://www.1010wspc.com/wzky.htm now (2:55 PM).

theman5207
11-01-2008, 03:16 PM
If you're a Duke employee and have remote desktop access to your PC on campus, you can watch the game. Login to remote desktop, open a browser window remotely, and go to www.espn360.com. Works like a charm.

Indoor66
11-01-2008, 03:27 PM
Chat: http://snrub.ajaxperformance.com/

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 03:34 PM
Coach Cut is being interviewed by Bob Harris on http://www.1010wspc.com/wzky.htm now (2:55 PM).

It's on WZKY!

camcraz25
11-01-2008, 03:35 PM
it's 3:30 and ESPN360 doesn't have an actual game link to click! It just has the game in 'upcoming'....are there only a certain # of games they can have on at any given time? or do they have to wait until these other ones end?

Bob Green
11-01-2008, 03:43 PM
7-0 Wake. We've spotted the Demon Deacons a TD by fumbling the opening kick-off. We can't afford turnovers.

devildeac
11-01-2008, 04:56 PM
1st half summary: our special teams sucked.

Tied 7-7 with a long drive.
held them at our 2 and then our punt was blocked out of our end zone, so 7-9.
they run back the KO to about our 30 (from their 13!!!) and kick about a 22 yard FG after the D holds again, so 7-12.

both teams gain little in the last 4-5 minutes and we take a knee with :08 in the 1st half after mismanaging the clock with 2 TO left and about :40 to go, knowing they had to punt:confused:.

fogey
11-01-2008, 05:29 PM
update please?

Bob Green
11-01-2008, 05:40 PM
19-14 Wake Forest. Thad Lewis threw a 34 yard TD to Clifford Harris. Duke has the ball and is on the move around midfield. 5 minutes left in 3rd QTR.

TillyGalore
11-01-2008, 05:41 PM
update please?

Per the espn web site, which I tend to consult rather than look for updates here, the score is 19-14, WF in the 3rd with 7:14 on the clock. Duke has the ball.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 05:44 PM
3rd quarter. 19-14 Wake

DukePA
11-01-2008, 05:46 PM
touch down Duke!!! 20-19 Duke. waiting for the extra point(s)

YmoBeThere
11-01-2008, 05:47 PM
20-19...not in snrubchat

DukePA
11-01-2008, 05:47 PM
went for 2, didn't get it.

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 05:47 PM
20-19 devils!!!!

YmoBeThere
11-01-2008, 05:51 PM
What was the call on the kickoff? Kicking interference? Did someone signal for a fair catch?

DukePA
11-01-2008, 05:53 PM
22-20 Wake. they just made a field goal. don't understand the interference call on the offsides kick.

Bob Green
11-01-2008, 05:54 PM
22-20 Wake Forest. Duke tried an on side kick and was penalized 15 yards for interfering with the opportunity to catch the ball leading to a Wake FG.

DU82
11-01-2008, 05:54 PM
What was the call on the kickoff? Kicking interference? Did someone signal for a fair catch?

Anthony Dilweg (on the radio) talked with Joe Surgan, he said the refs told him that a Duke player cut in front of a Wake player on the kick, meaning he shielded him from the ball. Bob Harris and Wes Chesson said that it was a free kick, OF COURSE the Duke player cut in front of the receiver. There was apparently no fair catch called for. Unbelievable call.

Who said a few weeks ago that because of Duke's previous status as the doormat of the conference, we always get the worst refs?

DukePA
11-01-2008, 05:56 PM
4th quarter coming up. Duke ball, 3rd and 10

A-Tex Devil
11-01-2008, 05:57 PM
That was ridiculous -- when I played football years ago we were taught to blow up the other players on an onside kick if we weren't getting the ball. I thought a kickoff was fair game (like a fumble would be) after 10 yards? I know you can call fair catches, but that guy did not.

Someone tell me the officials got that one right so I don't break something.

DU82
11-01-2008, 06:00 PM
That was ridiculous -- when I played football years ago we were taught to blow up the other players on an onside kick if we weren't getting the ball. I thought a kickoff was fair game (like a fumble would be) after 10 yeards? I know you can call fair catches, but that guy did not.

Someone tell me the officials got that one right so I don't break something.

Clarification from Bob. The ball never touched the ground before the Duke player touched it, therefore the interference. (Still didn't think that was the rule on a free kick. We've "pooched" it before and caught it out of the air.)

Eron with the catch on the ten. First and Goal. Followed by Offsides, so first and goal at the five.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:00 PM
1st and goal Duke! make 1st and goal from the 5, offsides Wake

A-Tex Devil
11-01-2008, 06:02 PM
Clarification from Bob. The ball never touched the ground before the Duke player touched it, therefore the interference. (Still didn't think that was the rule on a free kick. We've "pooched" it before and caught it out of the air.)

Eron with the catch on the ten. First and Goal. Followed by Offsides, so first and goal at the five.

That makes sense -- you can't hit the other team until the ball hits the ground -- which would explain why you can fair catch. I still don't like the call because I dont think we touched the dude, but whatever. We are first and 5 at the 5 now. Way to play through the tough call guys!!

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:02 PM
Duke field goal, flag down. penalty declined 23-20 Duke!

Kimist
11-01-2008, 06:06 PM
The onsides kick looked fine to me - I could have sworn that was a Chapel Heel call!...oh well, Duke just scored a field goal to take the lead...hold on!!

BTW: Showing my ignorance, could that onsides call have been reviewed???

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 06:09 PM
#$%^#$%^#$%#$%#$%^#$%

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 06:12 PM
The onside kick aside, what has gotten into our special teams today???? We keep giving Wake great field position.

dukeballer2294
11-01-2008, 06:14 PM
this is ridiculous mostly all of their points have come off special team mishaps

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:15 PM
30-23 Wake. Crap.

Mabdul Doobakus
11-01-2008, 06:15 PM
Rule to live by:

If you have to dive to catch a punt, you're better off not trying to catch it at all.

Mabdul Doobakus
11-01-2008, 06:16 PM
Really poor tackling on the 2 point try. Time to regroup.

Kimist
11-01-2008, 06:17 PM
The onside kick aside, what has gotten into our special teams today???? We keep giving Wake great field position.

....expletive thought of....make that two touchdowns!!

devildeac
11-01-2008, 06:19 PM
storyline so far: self-destruction by our special teams. I can't believe the pathetic wake O has 30 points.

devildeac
11-01-2008, 06:23 PM
TD Harris

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:23 PM
touchdown Duke! 29-30, kick good 30-30!

devildeac
11-01-2008, 06:25 PM
there are plenty of extra seats in snrub;)

Mabdul Doobakus
11-01-2008, 06:25 PM
Touchdown! Great play. Tie game.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:28 PM
there are plenty of extra seats in snrub;)

how do you get there? when I clicked on the link, I got some crazy page that looks like Russian.

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 06:28 PM
how do you get there? when I clicked on the link, I got some crazy page that looks like Russian.

Ditto.

C'mon D

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 06:33 PM
Great stop!!!

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:33 PM
30-30 with 3:14 (?) left in the game. Duke 1st down on our 45 yard line.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:34 PM
another 1st down on their 41

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:34 PM
2:14, 2nd and 9. now 3rd and 3.

Mabdul Doobakus
11-01-2008, 06:35 PM
Great stop. Let's go win this game.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:36 PM
dropped on the 30. 4th and 3. time out Duke. would be a 51 yard FG

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 06:36 PM
4th down. FG or go?

BlueintheFace
11-01-2008, 06:36 PM
GO!!! its 51 yd fg

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 06:37 PM
I got the Russian thing too on the snrub link!

TO Duke to consider a 51yd FG attempt! My stomach is churning with nerves!

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:37 PM
go for the 1st down and try to eat some clock

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:39 PM
2 seconds. Duke at the 24 yard line

OldPhiKap
11-01-2008, 06:39 PM
How'd we convert?

2 seconds left!!!!!! FG tam coming from 24 yard line. 41 yarder.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:40 PM
kick not good. Overtime

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:40 PM
How'd we convert?

2 seconds left!!!!!! FG tam coming from 24 yard line. 41 yarder.

don't know. it happened so fast, I missed 3 downs.

rickshack
11-01-2008, 06:41 PM
I too got russian trying to get snrubchat.... bummer

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:43 PM
Duke won the toss. We're on defense.

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:44 PM
Duke won the toss. We're on defense.

Good call for Cut, always better to play on D first.

HOW MANY GOOD GAMES have there been today? My GOODNESS!

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:46 PM
wake 1st and 10 on the Duke 15. 2nd and 8 now

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:46 PM
ESPN has us playing on Offense in the first OT....

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:47 PM
incomplete pass, 3rd and 8

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:47 PM
Nevermind, the ESPN GameCast sucks....

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:48 PM
4th and 6. Wake's kicking team is on the field. kick is good. 33-30 Wake

DukieInKansas
11-01-2008, 06:49 PM
Nevermind, the ESPN GameCast sucks....

If you get ESPN News, they are showing the game. Wake kicked a field goal in 1st OT

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:49 PM
4th and 6. Wake's kicking team is on the field. kick is good. 33-30 Wake

Keep the updates coming DukePA!! you're my best pal right now!

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 06:49 PM
HOW MANY GOOD GAMES have there been today? My GOODNESS!

Georgia - Florida is certainly not one of them!

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Georgia - Florida is certainly not one of them!

yeah, true enough...Urban is gonna have the Gators do SOMETHING when this game is over

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:50 PM
2nd and 10. Wake interception. @#%@#$

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 06:50 PM
Lewis pass picked off. Another heart-breaking loss to Wake.

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:51 PM
2nd and 10. Wake interception. @#%@#$

This is a family board, but rest assured I'm CURSING UP A STORM.

AtlBluRew
11-01-2008, 06:51 PM
yeah, true enough...Urban is gonna have the Gators do SOMETHING when this game is over

With all the smiles and laughter on the FL sideline, I think they're doing it already.

RelativeWays
11-01-2008, 06:53 PM
I'm beginning to hate Wake Forest. I hope they lose the rest of their games.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 06:53 PM
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:53 PM
I'm beginning to hate Wake Forest. I hope they lose the rest of their games.

Yeah, it wasn't an AWFUL pass (CBS just cut away to show the ending), but....UGH.

No matter WHAT, we came to PLAY today. Things are still alright in Mudville.

devildeac
11-01-2008, 06:54 PM
don't know. it happened so fast, I missed 3 downs.

I missed 2-3 downs also:confused:

devildeac
11-01-2008, 06:56 PM
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.

I've got a better description than that but I'd like to maintain my posting privileges:mad:

DukePA
11-01-2008, 06:57 PM
Yeah, it wasn't an AWFUL pass (CBS just cut away to show the ending), but....UGH.

No matter WHAT, we came to PLAY today. Things are still alright in Mudville.

Absolutely. GO DUKE!!

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 06:57 PM
After 8 games, and we're still .500...I'm not going to complain TOO much. I still want to give Cut a hug.

davekay1971
11-01-2008, 06:58 PM
4 turnovers and missed game winning field goal. One the up side, we were still in position to win the game against a team expected to compete for the ACC title despite all those miscues. On the downside, we just learned that we can't have all those miscues and still win the game. Still, can't help but think we've still got a shot to win 2 more games down the stretch.

RelativeWays
11-01-2008, 06:58 PM
We really squandered a golden opportunity here. Its great that the team shook off the 1st half funk but this game was almost vintage old Duke. Dig yourself in a hole, fight out of it only to blow it in the end. I also do not think ANY coach should ever go for a two point conversion for a tie and there is a ton of time left in the game. We still could have won by one point.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 07:00 PM
however is $#%@&! coaching r special teams should get fired it was a blow out if we could get half the specialteams miscues back

We were absolutely horrible on special teams today, that after Cutcliffe commenting during the week that "we might be a pretty good special teams team right now", or something like that. Our kicking game, on both sides of the ball, had been very good.

but not today - a fumbled kickoff, a muffed punt (who said we wouldn't miss Leon Wright?), a long kickoff return against us, and of course the missed FG that didn't win the game. Ugh.

Lotus000
11-01-2008, 07:01 PM
We really squandered a golden opportunity here. Its great that the team shook off the 1st half funk but this game was almost vintage old Duke. Dig yourself in a hole, fight out of it only to blow it in the end. I also do not think ANY coach should ever go for a two point conversion for a tie and there is a ton of time left in the game. We still could have won by one point.

Eh...the 'card' said that Wake should go for two there. It worked out.

I still think we 'outplayed' Wake, looking at the play-by-play. We gave up a lot of loooonnng plays. Our drives were actual drives.

Oh, well. I think we can and will beat State. Then we have UNC for the Bell at the end of the season. UNC is good this year, but I think we can cut 'em.

devildeac
11-01-2008, 07:01 PM
We really squandered a golden opportunity here. Its great that the team shook off the 1st half funk but this game was almost vintage old Duke. Dig yourself in a hole, fight out of it only to blow it in the end. I also do not think ANY coach should ever go for a two point conversion for a tie and there is a ton of time left in the game. We still could have won by one point.

That's one of the real head scratchers, along with several other tough to figure out coaching decisions today, in addition to some really bad special teams play.

Kimist
11-01-2008, 07:03 PM
I've got a better description than that but I'd like to maintain my posting privileges:mad:

AMEN devildeac! I would be banned for life if my thoughts could be read right now.

The sad thing is the Devils have shown such tremendous improvement this season to have special teams screw-ups and (deja vu) field goal accuracy do them in against Wake.

RelativeWays
11-01-2008, 07:04 PM
We were absolutely horrible on special teams today, that after Cutcliffe commenting during the week that "we might be a pretty good special teams team right now", or something like that. Our kicking game, on both sides of the ball, had been very good.

but not today - a fumbled kickoff, a muffed punt (who said we wouldn't miss Leon Wright?), a long kickoff return against us, and of course the missed FG that didn't win the game. Ugh.


As Charlie Brown would say, good grief. Its irritating to now that we would be 6-2 and bowl elligible had we capitalized on this game and the NW game. 4 turnovers 4 TURNOVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Wake scored points off of 3 and sealed the game with the last. Duke needs to get their junk together for State because that game is going to be A LOT harder than people think.

devildeac
11-01-2008, 07:04 PM
Eh...the 'card' said that Wake should go for two there. It worked out.

I still think we 'outplayed' Wake, looking at the play-by-play. We gave up a lot of loooonnng plays. Our drives were actual drives.

Oh, well. I think we can and will beat State. Then we have UNC for the Bell at the end of the season. UNC is good this year, but I think we can cut 'em.

I think RW was referring to OUR decision to go for 2 at 20-19 instead of kicking the PAT. We missed it and led by 1 instead of 2, therefore the tie in regulation instead of us potentially winning by 1.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 07:08 PM
I think RW was referring to OUR decision to go for 2 at 20-19 instead of kicking the PAT. We missed it and led by 1 instead of 2, therefore the tie in regulation instead of us potentially winning by 1.

Exactly. Going for two, when you have a reliable extra point kicker, and we do, should be reserved for late in the 4th quarter only.

jgehtland
11-01-2008, 07:08 PM
Thank goodness we've had such a string of successes the last 18 years so we can all take some comfort from a miserable .500 season so far. I mean, c'mon!!!! How can we possibly still be suffering from having poor kicking??? Its not like its the same players from the last.......

oh, right.

Let me start over.

w00t!!!!!!! We're .500!!!! After 8 games!!!!!

Can we PLEASE not ram our heads into the wall after losing a game in OVERTIME? I understand being frustrated, but Coach Cut has worked MIRACLES. There isn't a single player on this team that he's recruited. Not one. And we've won as many games as the last four seasons combined. Be frustrated, but don't be down. Clearly, better days are ahead!

Bob Green
11-01-2008, 07:10 PM
As Charlie Brown would say, good grief.

Sums up my thoughts precisely. This was a tough game to lose. Oh well, shoulda....coulda....woulda...two fumbles, two interceptions, a blocked punt, and a missed field goal that would've won the game was just too much to overcome.

We need to regroup and focus on beating NCSU.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 07:13 PM
Let me start over.

w00t!!!!!!! We're .500!!!! After 8 games!!!!!

Can we PLEASE not ram our heads into the wall after losing a game in OVERTIME? I understand being frustrated, but Coach Cut has worked MIRACLES. There isn't a single player on this team that he's recruited. Not one. And we've won as many games as the last four seasons combined. Be frustrated, but don't be down. Clearly, better days are ahead!

Well, actually there is, but Sean Renfree is redshirting. And there were a couple of others who signed after Cut became coach, so he gets partial credit for them too, but you point is valid. But the thing is, this is three years in a row we should have beaten Wake, yes with the same players but different coaches.

Better days are here and great days are ahead. But allow us to be frustrated and to vent over the bad losses.

dukeballer2294
11-01-2008, 07:13 PM
Thank goodness we've had such a string of successes the last 18 years so we can all take some comfort from a miserable .500 season so far. I mean, c'mon!!!! How can we possibly still be suffering from having poor kicking??? Its not like its the same players from the last.......

oh, right.

Let me start over.

w00t!!!!!!! We're .500!!!! After 8 games!!!!!

Can we PLEASE not ram our heads into the wall after losing a game in OVERTIME? I understand being frustrated, but Coach Cut has worked MIRACLES. There isn't a single player on this team that he's recruited. Not one. And we've won as many games as the last four seasons combined. Be frustrated, but don't be down. Clearly, better days are ahead!

im not sure if he will but if tennesse keeps on losing he could be like a 1 and done to the nba and we can be like we were after spurrier left (not good again)

RelativeWays
11-01-2008, 07:15 PM
I don't think anyone here is hanging the team out to dry and everyone is well aware of Duke's football past. Its great that this team has accomplished what they have this year, but we're not going to just go easy on them because we're experienced so much failure. That's called settling and I'm not going to settle. This team has lost two games that it won all the stats on, but costly mistakes took away a victory. I feel bad for the kids who were on the team from 2 years ago, this one probably hurts worse than the 14-13 loss. That was for a token win, this one was building toward a bigger goal. Duke still has 4 games, some of them will be uphill battles, all could be difficult. They need to prepare for State and they need to take care of the ball.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 07:16 PM
"We are becoming a good football team.

This loss hurts, but we can't let it affect us going forward with 4 games left."

wisteria
11-01-2008, 07:20 PM
im not sure if he will but if tennesse keeps on losing he could be like a 1 and done to the nba and we can be like we were after spurrier left (not good again)

Indeed, the UT fans are already claiming it like it's a done deal.:confused:

RelativeWays
11-01-2008, 07:30 PM
Cutcliffe is not leaving anytime soon to go coach Tennessee, its not going to happen.

DukePA
11-01-2008, 07:38 PM
Next play . . .

chrishoke
11-01-2008, 08:24 PM
next bad play/mistake.:mad:

formerdukeathlete
11-01-2008, 08:43 PM
re kicking extra points and field goals, yes, Maggio is the shorter in guy, more accurate, beat out Surgan and Asack...my question was always, when at 40 yards, is he really better than Surgan? I guess the coaches, presume, expect, know the answer, or else would put Surgan in. But, I still wonder at 40 yards, Surgan has the killer leg.

Watched the game while Pitt Notre Dame was on the TV. Pitt ND was a game with 3 possessions in OT - field goals exchanged one after another, until Notre Dame finally missed one. Our game ended in the first OT possession with a poorly thrown long ball. Just as UVa's loss to Miami was due to a fumble on UVa's first OT possession. We started at the 25 yard line and only had to move the ball a little bit to be in high percentage field goal range - we only needed 3 to stay in the game. That long pass play was as bad from a decionmaking perspective as going for 2, imho.

Still 4 and 4 is great compared to prior years.

SilkyJ
11-01-2008, 08:55 PM
re kicking extra points and field goals, yes, Maggio is the shorter in guy, more accurate, beat out Surgan and Asack...my question was always, when at 40 yards, is he really better than Surgan? I guess the coaches, presume, expect, know the answer, or else would put Surgan in. But, I still wonder at 40 yards, Surgan has the killer leg.


I read through a lot of the posts but not all, so I apologize if someone gave specifics earlier but this post just made this occur to me: how did we miss the 42 yarder when time ran out? I assumed it was wide, but the above post had me thinking maybe it was short or perhaps blocked b/c he had to kick it low b/c he doesn't have the leg...

6th Man
11-01-2008, 09:06 PM
I was at the game. He missed the field goal to the right. Wasn't a terrible kick. I thought he made it from my vantage point. It was long enough. That was one of the most heartbreaking losses I have been through in quite awhile. They played well, but made too many mistakes. I swear Wake gets more good bounces than any team I have ever seen. Hollingsworth played great tonight. I hope we can bounce back next week. We are a good football team.

Bob Green
11-01-2008, 09:07 PM
The kick was wide right. Nick Maggio had plenty of leg for the kick.

6th Man
11-01-2008, 09:23 PM
I sat right in front of the end zone where the OT happened. Wake has 3rd and 10 from the 25. (Be a tough kick for the kicker) Oghobaase misses a sack by a millisecond...one of the Duke defenders has the pick, but it pops up in the air. Of course a Wake guy slides right under it and it is a first down. Talking about missing a stop in OT by milliseconds and inches. Of course they get a fairly short FG attempt. To Thad's defense, he had the WR wide open. Again he probably underthrows by inches for a TD. Alphonso Smith made a leaping pick. If the ball is a few inches higher there is a good chance we win the game. Just unreal how close the game was to having a different outcome. I am growing to hate Wake. I have never seen a team get so many bounces. And they had a lot of late hits which agitated me. Especially the one with our punt returner.

Let's all show up next Saturday with a sea of blue. These guys are working hard. Even though that loss hurts, they fought and competed. Just didn't go our way. (AGAIN against Wake). I think if the fans show up and we keep playing well we will beat State.

Acymetric
11-01-2008, 09:32 PM
Just got back from the game. I'm certainly frustrated and disappointed, but I decided to post some positive thoughts instead.

Even though we lost, I thought we looked pretty good most of the game. Our CB's are going to get picked on the rest of the season because of our injuries there, but I felt like they made more good plays than bad ones today.

Our running game got going. Its been off and on this year, and today it was on. Lets hope it stays that way.

There were a ton of Duke fans at Wake. Really great support for the team, and I think they fed off that energy. I paid 17 dollars for my ticket, and for the game I got to see I would have paid a lot more.

We got Huffman involved in the offense. Its great when a TE has a game like this, and I hope we can keep him involved the next 4 games, because its a big boost.

Thad FINALLY hooked up on a deep pass to Eron! Hopefully this is a sign of things to come, because if we can really establish a consistent deep threat like that defenses will have a hard time stopping our drives.

I had more before I started typing, but I'm worn out. I thought the team looked pretty good overall. When Duke gets rid of those mistakes (fumbles, safety, interceptions, missed FG's) we will be tough to beat.

If you don't have tickets to the State and Carolina games yet, buy now! If they're sold out for either game, buy from a reseller online! If thats sold out, get to the game early and make sure you buy some from a scalper! Get out and support the team, because they deserve it, and because you should get one heck of a show from our guys and coach Cut!

Edit: One other thing I wanted to mention was that the Wake fans were great. Several said hi in the parking lot during tailgating, and the guy we were next to during the game was pretty complimentary of Duke, and filled us in on some of the big time Wake players and things like that. So a shout out to classy Wake fans!

SilkyJ
11-01-2008, 09:37 PM
re kicking extra points and field goals, yes, Maggio is the shorter in guy, more accurate, beat out Surgan and Asack...my question was always, when at 40 yards, is he really better than Surgan? I guess the coaches, presume, expect, know the answer, or else would put Surgan in. But, I still wonder at 40 yards, Surgan has the killer leg.


OK, FDA, so the below posts answering my question beg another question of you: what's your point?


I was at the game. He missed the field goal to the right. Wasn't a terrible kick. I thought he made it from my vantage point. It was long enough.


The kick was wide right. Nick Maggio had plenty of leg for the kick.

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-01-2008, 10:25 PM
This was certainly a tough loss, but I don't feel the same helpless anger and let down I used to feel when we lost. Our guys played well most of the game. The mistakes they made reflect that they're still learning. The staff called some creative plays that weren't executed well this time, but those same plays may work the next time the guys run them.

It's time to make plans to be in Wallace Wade Stadium November 8 and November 29. If you don't have tickets yet, the Internet offers you access to the ticket office right now. Let's show our team and coaches we love 'em! Show up! Be part of the "blue out"!

GO DUKE! Beat State!

OZZIE4DUKE
11-01-2008, 10:43 PM
We started at the 25 yard line and only had to move the ball a little bit to be in high percentage field goal range - we only needed 3 to stay in the game. That long pass play was as bad from a decionmaking perspective as going for 2, imho.


You're kidding me, aren't you FDA? Go for the tie instead of the win in overtime before 4th down? That's insane. We won the coin toss so Wake had to go first in this OT session. If we tied them, then we had to go first so Wake could go for the win if we did less than score 7 in round two. Once Wake only scored 3 points, our objective was to win the game in the first OT, not just tie it (until 4th down).

The pass that was intercepted was a broken play. According to the post game radio interviews (from both Lewis and Cutcliffe), the defender slipped and Riley recognized that and broke the pattern before Lewis recognized it. Lewis threw off his back foot so he didn't get enough on the throw to get it over the defender and it was intercepted. Had the execution been better, the result could have been a game winning TD.

formerdukeathlete
11-01-2008, 10:50 PM
OK, FDA, so the below posts answering my question beg another question of you: what's your point?

my points in the post above....let me use a golf analogy, you are choosing a club, an iron, do you hit an extra hard 7 iron, or an easier swung 6? Sometimes its better to go with the longer club, because when adding the extra umph to the shorter club, you might end up shanking it, sacrificing accuracy.

Surgan hits 60 yarders in practice. 40 yards is the outside of Maggio's range - according to accounts on-line, in articles, etc. I just wonder how much head to head comp. they do right at the 40 yard marker. Lets presume the coaches are right....I just wonder. At that distance Maggio concentrated on the extra leg, maybe throwing off his angle.

re the long pass play in overtime...Duke won the toss and elected to defend -a smart coaching choice because if the opposition scores a td on the first ot possession, we know we need to do this - go for broke, but if the opposition scores a field goal (as did Wake), this means we can play it more conservatively on our first possession. I dont know the impetus for the long pass play in ot, whether our qb was to check off long to short to see who was open, or whether the coaches called the pass as thrown to the primary receiver. It was a harder pass to make than many thrown during the game - therefore not a conservative call.

formerdukeathlete
11-01-2008, 11:08 PM
You're kidding me, aren't you FDA? Go for the tie instead of the win in overtime before 4th down? That's insane. We won the coin toss so Wake had to go first in this OT session. If we tied them, then we had to go first so Wake could go for the win if we did less than score 7 in round two. Once Wake only scored 3 points, our objective was to win the game in the first OT, not just tie it (until 4th down).

The pass that was intercepted was a broken play. According to the post game radio interviews (from both Lewis and Cutcliffe), the defender slipped and Riley recognized that and broke the pattern before Lewis recognized it. Lewis threw off his back foot so he didn't get enough on the throw to get it over the defender and it was intercepted. Had the execution been better, the result could have been a game winning TD.

Notre Dame - Pitt was the epitome of conservative OT play - no interceptions. One each OT possession, of course, each team tried to score a td. Each was able to get a field goal, until ND missed. In our first OT possession, we had the opportunity to play conservatively, since Wake scored a field goal on their first possession, yet still go for the TD.

If we just made a field goal on the first possession, playing conservatively, we would have lived to fight another day (OT possession). If on the next possession our D gave up a Wake TD, then we would have known that we needed a TD to stay in the game.

CameronBornAndBred
11-01-2008, 11:39 PM
Sigh...just got home. What a great game that we could've won, but we didn't due to costly turnovers. However, besides our mistakes, I thought we played great on both sides of the ball. Frustrating but promising. Had a great time meeting Acymetric, we had a lot of fun hanging on the Duke side, what a crowd! I'll throw more thoughts later when I'm awake.

killerleft
11-02-2008, 12:01 AM
Notre Dame - Pitt was the epitome of conservative OT play - no interceptions. One each OT possession, of course, each team tried to score a td. Each was able to get a field goal, until ND missed. In our first OT possession, we had the opportunity to play conservatively, since Wake scored a field goal on their first possession, yet still go for the TD.

If we just made a field goal on the first possession, playing conservatively, we would have lived to fight another day (OT possession). If on the next possession our D gave up a Wake TD, then we would have known that we needed a TD to stay in the game.

I'm sorry. That is one of the lamest posts I've ever read. We have the chance to win a football game and you want to be sure we have a chance to tie? And then give Wake the chance to go on defense first next OT (No, sir, you don't get to go on offense last in two consecutive OTs)?

I didn't agree with several coaching decisions today, but trying to win a football game in OT is NOT one of them.

The point of overtime is to win the game. Playing not to lose in the situation Duke was in during that OT is laughable.

Lewis just barely underthrew the receiver, who was behind everybody. It was the smart play.

Devilsfan
11-02-2008, 12:09 AM
We need to put this game behind us and get ready to beat a less than spectacular State team. In July if you told me we'd be 4-4 after eight games I would have taken it in a heart beat. I think it took four years under the last regime to win 4 games. Cut and his staff are amazing! Go Devils!

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-02-2008, 12:27 AM
We need to put this game behind us and get ready to beat a less than spectacular State team. In July if you told me we'd be 4-4 after eight games I would have taken it in a heart beat. I think it took four years under the last regime to win 4 games. Cut and his staff are amazing! Go Devils!
There's a new one game season coming up next Saturday. If you've missed the Devil Walk prior to previous games, come on out, support our team and Wear Blue!

GO DUKE! Beat State!

loran16
11-02-2008, 01:10 AM
I was at the game (Cam and Acymetric half convinced me, and then my friend offered me tickets in the Duke Section) and let me say so disappointing.

Still, for the first time we came back from a two score deficit, in an OPPOSING STADIUM. And we came so close to winning on the last play.

(I was in row UU, Section 11. Anyone else nearby?)

RelativeWays
11-02-2008, 07:48 AM
I thought the whole point of defending first in OT was so you knew exactly what your team needs to win. Going for the TD is what every coach in the league would do, though they should have gone for the 1st down 1st. The FG is a back up plan If you're going to waste three plays to set up a tying field goal, you'll never win an overtime game. Never.

captmojo
11-02-2008, 09:29 AM
Wake was in the wrong defensive set-up and the defender fell down, leaving the receiver wide open. The opportunity presented itself and was, and should, be taken. It should also be recognized that a fantastic, one-handed, leaping interception was made by the Wake defender, who was smart enough to realize how out of position his teammates were and their vulnerability on the play. Watch replays and observe how far away he was to the pass. He reacted instinctively to the pass and came from the sideline across to the ball. Were he an instant later, touchdown Duke, game over! Give the defender all the credit he deserves. :cool:

I never agree with a two point conversion try except as a near game end desperation ploy, from behind, in order to set up only a score leading to a chance for overtime.

Next play. :(

formerdukeathlete
11-02-2008, 09:56 AM
I thought the whole point of defending first in OT was so you knew exactly what your team needs to win. Going for the TD is what every coach in the league would do, though they should have gone for the 1st down 1st. The FG is a back up plan If you're going to waste three plays to set up a tying field goal, you'll never win an overtime game. Never.

You are exactly right, and I am exactly right. In OT you protect the ball, the longer the pass, the greater the chance of being off target and the greater the chance for an interception. This is why you do not typically see a long pass in OT unless it is 4th down and a team needs a TD to stay in the game. You always play for the TD...but you always protect the ball. In our situation, only needing a FG to stay in the game, still not at 4th down, therefore, still shooting for a 1st down - only needing a 1st down, along the way for a td, most coaches would have played more conservatively. In fact, that may have been our coaches call. Our qb may have just gone for it when he saw the broken pattern. The Pitt Notre Dame game went into a 4th OT. That was a well coached effort on the part of both teams. Ours broke down in the 1st possession and we lost the game.

DU82
11-02-2008, 01:14 PM
Wake was in the wrong defensive set-up and the defender fell down, leaving the receiver wide open. The opportunity presented itself and was, and should, be taken. It should also be recognized that a fantastic, one-handed, leaping interception was made by the Wake defender, who was smart enough to realize how out of position his teammates were and their vulnerability on the play. Watch replays and observe how far away he was to the pass. He reacted instinctively to the pass and came from the sideline across to the ball. Were he an instant later, touchdown Duke, game over! Give the defender all the credit he deserves. :cool:

I never agree with a two point conversion try except as a near game end desperation ploy, from behind, in order to set up only a score leading to a chance for overtime.

Next play. :(

I disagree about the two-point conversion. In the fourth quarter, up one after a TD, you want to go for two to get up by three; two doesn't (usually) mean anything. Up three, you can defend against the long TD, and at worst you'll end up being tied. Up three, up against the goal line, you can take a safety and still win.

Reading the Wake defender's comments in the paper today, he knew he was covering two receivers, he got his clue from watching Lewis's eyes, and moved towards Riley instead of the other deep receiver. And, of course, he made an outstanding play.

CameronBornAndBred
11-02-2008, 02:17 PM
Win or lose, I was very impressed by almost everything I saw yesterday outside of our special teams play. The 2 point conversion, the on-side kick, using Asack to actually pass (and score), 2 plays in a row using RB's as passers (although neither got the ball off), even the last play of the game, which unfortunately was underthrown, but was still the right play. And all of this surrounded really solid playing by both offense and defense.

Our coaches pulled out all the stops. Yes we came up on the short end of the stick, but as our program matures and improves, those plays will more often succeed. It was EXCITING football, and I'm so glad I was in the stands to watch it. Cutcliffe proved that he will be often unconventional. I would rather be frustrated watching the unconventional than frustrated watching Duke of old.

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-02-2008, 02:39 PM
Win or lose, I was very impressed by almost everything I saw yesterday outside of our special teams play. The 2 point conversion, the on-side kick, using Asack to actually pass (and score), 2 plays in a row using RB's as passers (although neither got the ball off), even the last play of the game, which unfortunately was underthrown, but was still the right play. And all of this surrounded really solid playing by both offense and defense.

Our coaches pulled out all the stops. Yes we came up on the short end of the stick, but as our program matures and improves, those plays will more often succeed. It was EXCITING football, and I'm so glad I was in the stands to watch it. Cutcliffe proved that he will be often unconventional. I would rather be frustrated watching the unconventional than frustrated watching Duke of old.
Even though their execution continues to be inconsistent at times, this team is getting better. Saturday the staff was calling plays requiring more versatility than in the past.... a sure sign the guys are progressing in the Cutcliffe system.

Watch out State!

arnie
11-02-2008, 04:23 PM
re kicking extra points and field goals, yes, Maggio is the shorter in guy, more accurate, beat out Surgan and Asack...my question was always, when at 40 yards, is he really better than Surgan? I guess the coaches, presume, expect, know the answer, or else would put Surgan in. But, I still wonder at 40 yards, Surgan has the killer leg.

Watched the game while Pitt Notre Dame was on the TV. Pitt ND was a game with 3 possessions in OT - field goals exchanged one after another, until Notre Dame finally missed one. Our game ended in the first OT possession with a poorly thrown long ball. Just as UVa's loss to Miami was due to a fumble on UVa's first OT possession. We started at the 25 yard line and only had to move the ball a little bit to be in high percentage field goal range - we only needed 3 to stay in the game. That long pass play was as bad from a decionmaking perspective as going for 2, imho.

Still 4 and 4 is great compared to prior years.

Having watched Duke lose football games for years on missed field goals and extra points, I think going for the win in OT is the only strategy. Recall the Carolina game a few years ago when Surgan missed the extra point to go into OT and all the missed field goals in the past few years. Until we figure out special teams, lets go for the win.

wolfpackdevil
11-02-2008, 05:20 PM
Even though their execution continues to be inconsistent at times, this team is getting better. Saturday the staff was calling plays requiring more versatility than in the past.... a sure sign the guys are progressing in the Cutcliffe system.

Watch out State!

Yes this should be an excellent game.

And This thread should be ended.

The game is over, no matter what Duke did or did'nt do in the game does not matter any more. They need a good showing against state, and they'll be right back in bowl hunt.

GO DUKE, and state

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-02-2008, 07:36 PM
Yes this should be an excellent game.

And This thread should be ended.

The game is over, no matter what Duke did or did'nt do in the game does not matter any more. They need a good showing against state, and they'll be right back in bowl hunt.

GO DUKE, and state

Coach Cutcliffe has said much the same thing. Yesterday's game films were reviewed and analyzed today, then put away. The practice late today was geared toward preparation for NC State.

Get your blues ready (high temps might make it to the mid 60's)! If you haven't bought a ticket yet for Saturday's game, do so. Practice the words to the fight songs. Review the cheers used when we play State. Plan your tailgate menu. But most of all, BE THERE! The best way you can show the coaches and the team that you support them is to show up at Wallace Wade on Saturday and cheer them on to BEAT STATE!