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    Quote Originally Posted by GoingFor#5 View Post
    Seth Curry. Perhaps he wasn't a specialist at one point so maybe my criticism should have been directed more towards the offense we run rather than the player's abilities coming to Duke.
    Seth is an effective penetrator who scored a ton going to the rim (although he's not the best distributor in those situations). He also has a really nice mid-range game, and can get a shot for himself going one-on-one. He was also an extremely effective perimeter defender two seasons ago. He was less so this past season - not sure whether it was a drop in performance or the impact of no longer having Nolan with him in the backcourt.

    I don't really think it's colorable to say that Seth brings no "extra dimension" beyond long-range shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    Seth is an effective penetrator who scored a ton going to the rim (although he's not the best distributor in those situations). He also has a really nice mid-range game, and can get a shot for himself going one-on-one. He was also an extremely effective perimeter defender two seasons ago. He was less so this past season - not sure whether it was a drop in performance or the impact of no longer having Nolan with him in the backcourt.

    I don't really think it's colorable to say that Seth brings no "extra dimension" beyond long-range shooting.
    At one time this season I was basically in alignment with your current opinion of Seth. No longer. His play in the last few games did not in any way resemble what you describe it to be. And that was when we needed him the most.

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    Yes, Lance is in the NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
    Lance Thomas is an NBA player? I must have missed his promotion, as last I heard he was roaming the D-League somewhere... I can't imagine that he is playing any meaningful minutes for even the lower echelon teams in the NBA.

    You don't see my point? OK, explicitly, many close observers of college basketball (including analysts of far more insight than the dunces cited above, people like Bilas and Hubert Davis) were not that impressed with Duke this year-- Duke was not awe-inspiring or fear-inducing as a team this year-- to Florida State, NC State, Virginia Tech, Temple, or even Lehigh-- those teams all looked forward to playing Duke this year, because they knew that Duke was vulnerable, and they wanted to get a famous scalp, when the getting was good-- nobody was afraid of playing Duke; they relished the opportunity-- is that clear enough?
    Lance signed a contract for the rest of the year with the Hornets! Straight from their website:

    42 Lance Thomas F 6-8 225 04/24/1988 Duke / USA R

    Now please apologize to one of my very favorite Duke players of all time... never the elite best but someone who worked his behind off trying to be as good as he could.
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  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by loldevilz View Post
    To say that Thornton, Hairston, Irving class was top 5 is absurd, especially when you consider that Irving was a guaranteed 1-and-done.
    Well, I don't think anybody said that. According to RSCI that class was ranked 9th.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by loldevilz View Post
    I agree that people are complaining way too much about recruiting, but Duke and other top bball schools are never accurately ranked. Just like many of our players were McD All-Americans because they chose Duke. To say that Thornton, Hairston, Irving class was top 5 is absurd, especially when you consider that Irving was a guaranteed 1-and-done.
    I concur with your assessment of that ranking. Of course, Kyrie turned out to be the best recruit in the nation and though Josh and Tyler try very hard to compete, they don't seem to have the potential to put a class in the top 10, even with Kyrie's stellar talent. Tyler appears to resemble his ranking (outside the top 100), but Josh does not seem as athletic as you would expect someone with his ranking (19-36 range) to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven43 View Post
    At one time this season I was basically in alignment with your current opinion of Seth. No longer. His play in the last few games did not in any way resemble what you describe it to be. And that was when we needed him the most.
    So the most recent 4-5 games tells you more about Seth Curry as a player than his previous 60 (at Duke, not to mention the 25-30 at Liberty)? Got it.
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    Kansas lost to Northern Iowa 2 years ago in the NCAA at full strength. Lost to VCU last year (a play in team) at full strength. Missouri lost to a 15 seed this year at full strength. UNC lost to Weber St a few years back at full strength, and to George Mason in 2006 at full strength.

    Upsets happen in that tournament, and that high seed upset "bug" has bitten other big name schools far more often than it has bitten Duke. Heck, in 1986, Duke darn near lost to Mississippi Valley State in the very first game.

    Duke had a bad tourney, without Kelly. The team they lost to had talent. They were not stiffs. UNC should have lost to Ohio. The days of taking that first game in the tourney for granted are long gone. Heck, UNC came within an eyelash of having a chance to make the Final Four this year, having never played a single digit seed. If State had pulled the upset against Kansas (and that game went to the wire), that scenario would have happened.


    By game time of Duke/Lehigh, the line had dropped to 10. The basketball "experts" equated the matchup to Duke having to play a Virginia Tech or Clemson from the ACC. Duke still had to be off to lose the game, but they were indeed off. The longer the game stayed close, the tighter Duke became, and the looser Lehigh became.

    If people thought that game was going to be an automatic blowout with Lehigh having no chance at all of winning, I find that more shocking than the fact that Lehigh pulled the upset.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    So the most recent 4-5 games tells you more about Seth Curry as a player than his previous 60 (at Duke, not to mention the 25-30 at Liberty)? Got it.
    While Seth has played well at times in those previous 60 games, particularly in regard to his outside shooting, even that apparent strength has always been streaky. And as far as penetrating to the basket goes, he only showed that in a few games, particularly against NC State this year. On defense he does not have the quickness to stay in front of his man. So, while I do think he is a better player than he showed the last 4 games or so, I don't think he had consistently shown Duke-level greatness prior to those recent games. Really good free throw shooter, though. No doubt. As to your last comment, I'm not sure what Liberty has to do with this conversation. Perhaps you think Seth is the answer we are looking for at guard, and that's fine. I do think he could be a very good instant offense player to bring off the bench, but I don't think he should be starting at Duke.

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    Here's the thing -- take any timeframe you wish (e.g., for the past "n" seasons), more than two season and fewer than 28, and I'm pretty sure the following will be true: If you look at win/loss record in the regular season, Duke will be #1 (maybe #2 but I doubt it) in the country; if you look at post-season success, Duke will be in the top five in the nation; and if you look at recruiting success, Duke will be in the top three in the nation. Any timeframe. And that's not good enough for some people? How did we get to this point, indeed?

    But what bothers me more about the attitude underlying this thread is, even if the above is not good enough for you, can you name even one thing that anybody could do that they aren't already doing to fix it? If you don't think our recruiting is good enough -- do you think Coach K isn't already trying his hardest to recruit the best he can? Do you think another coach could do it better than K at Duke? If you don't think our recruits are panning out -- do you think the players are intentionally trying to screw up? Do you think the coaching staff isn't doing their best to make all our players reach their potential? Do you think another coach could do better?

    Assuming you don't think any of those things, then the question "how did we get to this point?" is nothing short of whining. And I don't see the point in whining in light of the amazing achievements outlined in the first paragraph, above. Just my opinion, of course.

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    Answering the question

    How we got to this point:

    NC State hired a guy named Everett Case who elevated NC State basketball, and the interest in basketball in North Carolina to an all-time high. UNC responded by hiring Frank McGuire, who brought a national championship to Chapel Hill. Duke, in an effort to keep pace, hired a Case assistant named Vic Bubas. Bubas, in turn, made Duke the best of the three Triangle teams.

    After Bubas retired, Duke struggled to keep pace. While a previously unknown Jayhawk named Dean Smith returned UNC to national prominence and NC State enjoyed the talents of David Thompson and ended UCLA's dominance, Duke fell into a distant third. Bill Foster briefly elevated Duke back to the peak in 1978, but then he left, leaving little talent behind.

    Duke hired a little-known coach from Army with no particular track record. There was much wailing, teeth-gnashing, and consternation in Durham, for the next 3 years. Then Mike Krzyzewski showed that he could recruit. And then that he could coach. In 1986, Duke announced that it was back, competing on even terms with UNC and NC State. For about a decade, Duke and UNC remained evenly matched as two of the top programs in America, while State failed to keep pace. Then Dean Smith retired, and Duke was left as the sole superpower in the ACC, until the prodigal son, Roy Williams, came home, and in 2005 he put UNC back on even standing with Duke. For 2 years (2008-2009), it looked as if he might surpass Duke, but in 2010 and 2011 Duke had the upper hand.

    In 2012, UNC returned a stellar core of talent, while Duke graduated 2 all-time great seniors and the best freshman, possibly, to ever play in Durham (so good that he was the number 1 pick in the NBA and probable NBA ROY). Duke struggled to find a point guard or a on-court leader, but still managed a very good regular season, finishing number 2 in the ACC and top 10 in the nation. Duke played it's worst game of the season in the NCAA tournament, partially because of an injury to a critical starter, partially because they just played a lousy game against an inspired opponent.

    And there was much wailing, teeth-gnashing, and consternation in Durham (and on the DBR, which, fortunately, wasn't around in 1981)

    That's how Duke got to this point.

    Addendum: Kedsy, you beat me to it, illustrating the point of my post much more succinctly. I'm not sure what "this point" is, but I'm sure it's an incredibly subjective "point" that I'm pretty happy with while others think is bordering on, to borrow Ol' Roy's term, a catastrophe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
    How did we get to this point?
    Indeed. How did we get to the point where, despite losing the top pick in the NBA draft and two guys who were in the discussion for jersey retirement, Coach K pilots a team to a Maui championship, to wins over Michigan, Michigan State and Kansas (a FF team), to miracle comebacks against North Carolina and a S16 NC State team, to a second place ACC finish...how did we come to the point where our fans are so whiny and spoiled that such a season is unacceptable? 27-7. A supposed grease fire.

    Look, Lehigh was a mess. It was, but dang. This expectations game has gotten to be ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troublemaker View Post
    Re:Mason was always destined to be inconsistent on offense because he doesn't have natural touch.

    If you took Mason and added more natural touch, more flexibility in his torso (has anyone watched Mason run? who runs like that?), and a wider base, he could become a great scorer. But there are some natural gifts missing with him.
    None of these things were /are natural. When you are born, you have no innate, "naturable ability to do anything. Babies begin learning and continue the process of exploring movement with no prticular object in mind. They learn some pretty complicated things by the time they are less than one yea'rs old (absent some mental or physical developmental issues). When they begin to stand, it becomes an entirely different matter. People start teaching them. As kids grow older, in the last 20 years, "coaches" more and more o an ever more sophiscated level take away the ability of these kids to explore and learn at their own pass, chosing what works best for them. These coaches demand that they learn ever increasinuingly difficult tasks telling them what to do and when, and more importantly how. Those kids who have the time for free retain some of the freedom to explore and learn at their own speed. The ones who bring some self-learned gifts and catch a coach's eye receive more and more instruction, more telling them not only what to do, but how to do it. Learning is stultified.

    Why is baseball so dominated by Dominicans, might it be that they have much more time to learn on the streets in their own time. The same for other cultures in which players don't get grabbed up for organized play until their teens. They contimue to develop the self learning skills that they had when they were kids.

    Mason can learn to solften his ribs and spine, to move his pelvis more freely, to free his cervical spine and thus his head that will change how he uses his lower expremities, will learn how to corordinate himself better and acquire better and more refined concepts of what tasks are involved in say, shooting a basketball, if you reacquires the learning skills he began devveloping after birth while being presented with mental/challenges at low amplitute by a trained professional.

    As it is, probably with lots of "how to coaching," he developed a killer lefty power move off the left block that he finished very effectively, if not very esthetically in front of the basket. He did it against some much taller players because of his strength, girth, quickness, leaping ability, leaning in, and power. He later showed a way to slowly work his was to the middle of the basket from the other side with a step slide and developed a pretty effective and much more conventional, arching hook shot that was also quite effective. Mason had a killer drop step when moving to his right either from the right block and from the foul line. He intercepted quite a few passes and got down the court on breaks to finish more than anyother player on the team.
    He was a force on the boards, especially the defensive boards and was a more than decent help defender until he hit the wall into the second half f the year. The same thing happened to Singler, I think it was his freshman year.

    For what it's worth, I think that Rivers' declaring makes it more likely he'll stay, unless he is assured of a decent first round slot. It is a long life, he'll make more than enough money through the game even if it means playing overseas, and won't be subject to the grind of the pros until he finishes his college experience.

    Nothing stops K from inviting Mason to join the US team this summer and getting lots of opportinity, presumally, to one on one play with some of the pros (the type of activity to leads to self learning) and being exposed to greater offensive arranges that have him getting it on the move, etc. If K gives Mason the same type assurance he gave to Singler, that is, to feature Mason in a diffent type inside game after a summer of work, I think he stays. If that work includes regular, daily 45 minute sessions working on the type of things mentioned above in lieu of stretching, which is a static experience and as near as I can tell, and I did a whole, whole lot of Yoga in my time, teaches one very little about movement and nothing about how to develop a means of learning nes (old) ways of self-use.

    As I've said, there is a PT on the staff of Duke University Hospital who is a pratitioner and has been involved in a peer tud in the Triangle to demonstrate how using this process can help older folks with balance, ambulation, getting in and out of sitting, turning, etc.

    Since you think that Mason's ways of using himself are "natural" which says to me that you don't think that there is much room for improvement, what do they say about someone who has tried something multiple time without results, trying it again and expecting something different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilsfan View Post
    Mike G has to be as good at his position as Josh was at his and he's not undersized.
    Yeah, darn that Coach K, sitting all the good players on the bench and playing the bad players just to keep us fans from winning another National Championship! How dare he deprive us of that God given right we so justly deserve!

    on a serious note..
    Look, I love Mike Gbinije, and I think he as good potential. I saw him play at the Summer League last year and was impressed with his physical tools. Dude can jump, has good length, and quickness. Watching him in the early season games though, you could tell he was trying to figure it out, but just wasn't there yet. Same for Murphy. Duke's defensive scheme's are incredibly hard to learn as a freshman. Many freshman before Mike with similar skills have struggled early in their career and blossomed year over year. Lance Thomas was like that, as was a host of others.

    Mike got minutes this year and struggled when he was out there. He played in just about every game until, I believe, the Ga Tech game. At that point K cut the rotation and Mike starting getting DNP's. (On the Mark Gottfried show tonight, Gottfried mentioned the exact same thing happening to one of his players this season, and stated emphatically the guy "is going to help us next year, but just was not ready yet this year", and "I cut the rotation because I felt going with 7 guys gave my team the best chance to win") So it isn't just Duke where freshman are brought along at a different pace depending on where they are with their games.

    After a few DNP's, K started using Mike situationally, as a defender, and Capel commented after one of those games that Gbinije had put in a lot of extra work, and was showing some improvement. Sure, K could have thrown him into the middle of the fire and force fed him 15-20 minutes a game, but why do that when you spend most of the year in first place in your league and in the Top 10 in the country, on a team that would finish 26-5 in the regular season?

    Had Duke been 16-15 mired in the bottom of the conference, K may have very well thrown Mike in there to sink or swim. I suspect he did not play much because he wasn't ready yet. I also suspect next year will be a different deal.

    What I don't suspect is that K sat Gbinije even though he was primed and ready to go out, play great defense, and avg 12 points a game. Given the glaring need for a forward that could help, I have a hard time believing K sat him, if he was in fact ready and able to make a big contribution. That does not make any sense at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    Yeah, darn that Coach K, sitting all the good players on the bench and playing the bad players just to keep us fans from winning another National Championship! How dare he deprive us of that God given right we so justly deserve!

    on a serious note..
    Look, I love Mike Gbinije, and I think he as good potential. I saw him play at the Summer League last year and was impressed with his physical tools. Dude can jump, has good length, and quickness. Watching him in the early season games though, you could tell he was trying to figure it out, but just wasn't there yet. Same for Murphy. Duke's defensive scheme's are incredibly hard to learn as a freshman. Many freshman before Mike with similar skills have struggled early in their career and blossomed year over year. Lance Thomas was like that, as was a host of others.

    Mike got minutes this year and struggled when he was out there. He played in just about every game until, I believe, the Ga Tech game. At that point K cut the rotation and Mike starting getting DNP's. (On the Mark Gottfried show tonight, Gottfried mentioned the exact same thing happening to one of his players this season, and stated emphatically the guy "is going to help us next year, but just was not ready yet this year", and "I cut the rotation because I felt going with 7 guys gave my team the best chance to win") So it isn't just Duke where freshman are brought along at a different pace depending on where they are with their games.

    After a few DNP's, K started using Mike situationally, as a defender, and Capel commented after one of those games that Gbinije had put in a lot of extra work, and was showing some improvement. Sure, K could have thrown him into the middle of the fire and force fed him 15-20 minutes a game, but why do that when you spend most of the year in first place in your league and in the Top 10 in the country, on a team that would finish 26-5 in the regular season?

    Had Duke been 16-15 mired in the bottom of the conference, K may have very well thrown Mike in there to sink or swim. I suspect he did not play much because he wasn't ready yet. I also suspect next year will be a different deal.

    What I don't suspect is that K sat Gbinije even though he was primed and ready to go out, play great defense, and avg 12 points a game. Given the glaring need for a forward that could help, I have a hard time believing K sat him, if he was in fact ready and able to make a big contribution. That does not make any sense at all.
    Totally agree with everything you said but you gotta think...as bad as Dawkins was towards the end of the year he could have seen some of those minutes and been at least equally as bad (I think he would've played better) and earned some experience and confidence at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcar1985 View Post
    Totally agree with everything you said but you gotta think...as bad as Dawkins was towards the end of the year he could have seen some of those minutes and been at least equally as bad (I think he would've played better) and earned some experience and confidence at the same time.

    Seems as if you never got the memo. Dre just had to stand in the corner and the opposition would put a couple of defenders on him to honor has shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncexnyc View Post
    Seems as if you never got the memo. Dre just had to stand in the corner and the opposition would put a couple of defenders on him to honor has shot.
    Um, not sure why you think that's hilarious, because it is true. Nobody was double-teaming Dre, but if you saw teams disrespecting his shot, leaving him by his lonesome late in the season, you were watching different games than I was. People absolutely had to stay home on him. I'm not going to defend his play down the stretch--it wasn't great--but one thing he always helps with is spacing. There are limits to that usefulness, I fully admit.

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    I don't know if they are or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Matches View Post
    Very true, and a point that many have missed when dissecting our season. Often I think it's assumed that a perimeter-oriented team (as we were) will be a good passing team. Wasn't true of us. Our best passer was Cook who wasn't on the floor much. After that, it was probably... Kelly? Actually Mason is a pretty good passer, but it's not like he can feed himself in the post.

    The rest of our guards are not very good passers. Hopefully that's an area where they can improve over the summer, although to some extent passing is an instinctual skill that's hard to teach.
    I don't know if they are or not "good passers." I didn't see them try very much. Whether that is because of height issues trying to pass over and around players 1-3 inches taller or if it is because each wanted to be the focus the play...AR fought hard but tended to go find his own shot, AD wanted, perhaps needed, two or three consecutive screens to get open if the defense didn't simply fall asleep on him. In the last month he could be guarded by a broom. Hard to evaluate their passing ability when their willingness seemed so lacking.

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    not fair

    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    How did we get to this point?

    I agree. How did we as a fanbase get so self-entitled and spoiled that we angst about recruiting classes outside the top five, and an early loss with a key player injured?

    Good gravy.
    that's not really a fair comment, and it ignores the fact that teams in Duke's basketball strata this year were able to move past their first game and win their way into the sweet sixteen with a key player out. I personally don't think it was/is a talent issue so much as an inability to get this year's group of guys to work together at the end of the season...now how Duke got there I think is an interesting question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loldevilz View Post
    Lance Thomas is an NBA and he will be the best NBA player from the 2010 team. He started the last game for the Hornets and he has been giving them great minutes as an athletic defender.
    Quote Originally Posted by DukeDevilDeb View Post
    Lance signed a contract for the rest of the year with the Hornets! Straight from their website:

    42 Lance Thomas F 6-8 225 04/24/1988 Duke / USA R

    Now please apologize to one of my very favorite Duke players of all time... never the elite best but someone who worked his behind off trying to be as good as he could.
    And, if I recall correctly, before his senior season, Coach K said that Lance will be in the NBA...


    Quote Originally Posted by Des Esseintes View Post
    Um, not sure why you think that's hilarious, because it is true. Nobody was double-teaming Dre, but if you saw teams disrespecting his shot, leaving him by his lonesome late in the season, you were watching different games than I was. People absolutely had to stay home on him. I'm not going to defend his play down the stretch--it wasn't great--but one thing he always helps with is spacing. There are limits to that usefulness, I fully admit.
    This is what I always thought. While JJ was always moving, looking for his shot, that was Duke's "offense" on that team. On this team, Andre wasn't on that JJ "team"... and Andre's value to the offense might just have been to stay outside the 3-point line, forcing the defense to stay on him, opening up the rest of the court. And if his defender did leave him, the others should have noticed and passed to Andre... but unfortunately, not so much passes to Andre towards the end of the season... even if he was open. Maybe there's limits to such a scheme... maybe that's one of the reasons Andre wasn't in the games near the end of the season when Duke struggled mightily on offense as it was.

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    perspective

    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    If people thought that game was going to be an automatic blowout with Lehigh having no chance at all of winning, I find that more shocking than the fact that Lehigh pulled the upset.
    Perhaps this says more about where Duke was at the end of the season than about your fellow fans. the team Duke put on the floor, talent-wise should have blown LeHigh out of the gym. It wasn't a talent issue, it wasn't an athletic issue. It was mostly due to a complete lack of team work; and a complete lack of dedication on a couple of guards part to learn and play perimeter defense.

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