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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug.I.Am View Post
    In regards to Fielder - if they do sign him, they need to keep in mind that Hamilton is a FA after this year. That won't be cheap. I still see him going to the Nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OZZIE4DUKE View Post
    That's what the Yankees told him, but that was before they traded Montero. I hope Jorge does retire, but the Yankees web site http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=nyy has not carried the actual announcement yet, and I'm sure they will when it happens.
    Here's an update on Jorge. He's not coming back. The announcement will be in a couple of weeks.
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...s_nyy&c_id=nyy
    TAMPA, Fla. -- Jorge Posada has not announced his retirement, but the longtime Yankees catcher is not planning to return this season.
    "I'm not getting prepared for another season, that's for sure," Posada said Wednesday at a fundraiser for Derek Jeter's Turn 2 Foundation at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. "I tried, and it's not in me. ... More and more days started going by, and nothing's going in the right direction."
    The 40-year-old five-time All-Star said he will talk it over with his family and wait a couple of weeks before officially announcing his retirement, but he is "content [with] my decision that's going to happen here soon."
    There's more in the article than the quoted section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    What does this mean for Prince Fielder? Every story I read suggested that if the Rangers didn't reach a deal with Darvish, they'd use the money to sign Fiedler. Now?

    On the Darvish deal, keep in mond that now that they've reached agreement, they lose the $61 million rights fee (they would hav gotten that back if he didn't sign). So while it is a 6-year $60 million deal, it's really going to cost them $120 million for six years -- $20 million a year!

    That's a LOT of cash.
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug.I.Am View Post
    It certainly is and a heckuva leap of faith for a guy who's never thrown a pitch in the states. From all accounts he'll do well here, but 20 million bucks worth? Not likely. Rangers have the cash now that TV deal in in place. Do I dare say they've become the Yankees of the south?

    In regards to Fielder - if they do sign him, they need to keep in mind that Hamilton is a FA after this year. That won't be cheap. I still see him going to the Nationals.
    Big Nats fan here based in northern VA.

    With Darvish resolved I think we'll see Boras move relatively quickly now to get it done.

    I think many fans up here (and some media) think that the Nats are again the favorites to land PF. Though he reportedly told the Texas ownership that he'd "prefer" to land there - no stretch given their two recent WS runs and new big long-term TV deal ($$!). He also might make more sense signing to an AL squad, so that he can eventually switch to DH. He's 27 now, at 5'11" and 275lbs+, and asking for a 10 year deal at "Pujols money" (~$25M/yr). (Note: his dad, who had a similar build, had his production "fall off the table" after about age 31.) Other teams involved include Seattle, Cubs, Marlins and maybe Toronto - but who ever really knows. Teams seem pretty hesitant on that timeline. The rumors here are that the Nats are offering 6 years, and might go to 7. To me the question becomes, will he "do something creative" in order to get into an immediately winning Texas uniform, such as signing a much shorter deal? A Dallas outlet was quoting the Texas GM yesterday as now saying "I'm very aware of our budget constraints (now)." But if being on a winning team is impoortant, and Texas isn't an option financially, then DC seems a strong possibility - a team that clearly is heading upwards in a hurry. My lingering question: can the Nats then afford to re-sign R.Zim at 3B, the "Face of the Franchise," who has just two years left currently and is in contract extension talks (but thinking Troy Tulowitski-type money...), if they throw huge bucks at PF??

    Here's some fun Nats link for ya:

    http://www.federalbaseball.com/
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/washin...als/index.html
    http://www.natsinsider.com/
    http://www.masnsports.com/
    http://www.csnwashington.com/
    http://www.thenatsblog.com/
    http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=was
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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by OZZIE4DUKE View Post
    As for the DH speculation, this article discusses the possibilities
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...s_nyy&c_id=nyy
    It even mentions what I said above about Posada's non-announcement so far.
    Posada seems not to have wavered in his decision, Montero's trade notwithstanding. http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/stor...e-game-tuesday
    The New York Yankees say Jorge Posada is going to announce his retirement Tuesday at Yankee Stadium.
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    It's official. Jorge retired today.
    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/...s_nyy&c_id=nyy
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    The Tigers just supposedly signed Prince Fielder for 9-years, $214 mil. That's about $23.8 mil per season for a dude who looks like his knees are one buffet away from being permanently injured.

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  7. #87

    Prince to Motown

    Per Jon Heyman's twitter, Fielder has agreed to a deal with the Tigers, on a contract worth $214MM over 9 years. Heyman further reports that Fielder will play 1st and Cabrera will move, which I suppose could prompt a DUI alert if Miggy doesn't take that news well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    The Tigers just supposedly signed Prince Fielder for 9-years, $214 mil. That's about $23.8 mil per season for a dude who looks like his knees are one buffet away from being permanently injured.

    -Jason
    Not normally an Off-Topic Board guy, but MAN am I glad my Nationals didn't match this.

    The Tigers are going to regret this contract a lot more than we will regret the Werth contract.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    I suppose could prompt a DUI alert if Miggy doesn't take that news well.
    Meh, not so funny.

    With VMart out for the foreseeable future, Prince will be DH. All he has to do is swing baby, swing! Yay!!! I'm a happy Tiger fan today!!!!

    Pagin' Blazin'!!!!!! All of a sudden I'm getting a spring training itch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Per Jon Heyman's twitter, Fielder has agreed to a deal with the Tigers, on a contract worth $214MM over 9 years. Heyman further reports that Fielder will play 1st and Cabrera will move, which I suppose could prompt a DUI alert if Miggy doesn't take that news well.
    As a Nats fan this is a major bummer. One reporter is saying that there were three finalists, with the Nats and another "mystery team" as the other two. Nats had held firm, reportedly, at 6 years, but apparently relented to 7 at the wire. But just plain "WOW!" Detroit going 9 years for $23.8M/year, for a 27-year-old 275 pounder (at 5'11") is a HUGE gamble. PF's dad, with a similar build, declined rapidly after age 31. I say a sincere congrats to PF and, begrudgingly, to Scott Boras. They got the sort of deal that they wanted in the end. I'm just glad that Nats didn't pull that trigger.

    I guess Cabrera goes back to 3B. So with VMart eventually at C, and PF at 1B... well, that team will NEED to score a lot of runs!! Ha.
    Congrats Prince!

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  11. #91

    fielder and the buffet

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    The Tigers just supposedly signed Prince Fielder for 9-years, $214 mil. That's about $23.8 mil per season for a dude who looks like his knees are one buffet away from being permanently injured.

    -Jason
    Jason,

    Your line about Prince being one buffet away from being permanently injured, reminded me of one of the great lines about his father. When late in his career, Cecil Fielder (who was even more weight-challenged than his son) hit a triple, one commentator suggest "he ran the bases like there was a buffet table set up behind third."

    I my mind, the Fielders -- father and son -- will always be linked by the image of the buffet table.

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    You guys are simply hiiiiilarious.
    Really, I think you're being wasted here. The Comedy Club circuit needs you!
    Justin Verlander is apparently quite pleased with the acquisition....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    Jason,

    Your line about Prince being one buffet away from being permanently injured, reminded me of one of the great lines about his father. When late in his career, Cecil Fielder (who was even more weight-challenged than his son) hit a triple, one commentator suggest "he ran the bases like there was a buffet table set up behind third."

    I my mind, the Fielders -- father and son -- will always be linked by the image of the buffet table.
    I once won a weekly head-to-head Fantasy BB match because late on Sunday afternoon, Prince hit an inside-the-park home run. I think it was at the Metrodome, the ball took a funny bounce, and hilarity and seismic events ensued.

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    IIRC the contract doesn't have an opt-out provision for either party. I think Detroit will kick themselves in the caboose after year 4 or 5 for giving Prince this kinda deal. Reminds me a lot of the A-Rod money the Yankees doled out. First few years you're elated, the rest goes like, "OMG, how many more years do we have this boat anchor for?"

    BUT right now Tiger fans are and should be excited, this guys can hit bombs.

  15. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Doug.I.Am View Post
    Reminds me a lot of the A-Rod money the Yankees doled out.
    It doesn't appear that Prince Fielder has the body of a 'roider though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by weezie View Post
    It doesn't appear that Prince Fielder has the body of a 'roider though...
    Hey Weez - no, he doesn't. I think he'll need to start paying attention to the weight soon though, because his knees will be shot 1/2 through the contract.

    It's been confirmed, Prince to 1B, Cabrera to 3B. I wonder if Verlander is still jumping up and down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by weezie View Post
    It doesn't appear that Prince Fielder has the body of a 'roider though...
    Prince uses performance-enhancing bacon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug.I.Am View Post
    Reminds me a lot of the A-Rod money the Yankees doled out. First few years you're elated, the rest goes like, "OMG, how many more years do we have this boat anchor for?"
    As a Yankee fan, I think you are both right and wrong about the A-Roid deal.

    When the Yankees traded for A-Roid before the 2004 season they picked up the last four years of his contract from Texas at essentially $22 million a year. That's a lot of money, but for the four years of the deal, the Yankees got their money's worth ... A-Roid played at least 154 games each season, was solid at third base and was the best righthanded hitter in the AL for that period. He won two MVPs and averaged 44 home runs and almost 130 RBIs a season in that span.

    I think most baseball people would pay $22 million a year for the kind of productrion the Yankees got from A-Roid from 2004 to 2007. The original deal was a good one for the team.

    After the 2007 season, A-Roid became a free agent. At that point, you could argue that the Yankees had made a great deal. The problem is that they came crawling back to him and signed a new deal for 10 years at $275 million.

    THAT deal is the problem.

    Since signing the deal, the Yankees have not gotten their money's worth in any season ... except maybe the 2009 postseason, when A-Roid was a key player in their title drive.

    But his games per season has dropped -- he's played 138, 124, 137, 99 games in the last four seasons. His home run total has dropped --he's been at 35, 30, 30, 16. Last year he was under 100 RBIs (62) for the first time as a Yankee. His OPS has spiraled down from an excellent .965 in 2008 to .933 ... to .847 ... to .823.

    The Yankees are still on the hook for six more seasons.

    A-Roid will be 36 years old this season. That's normally not that old for a slugger, but with his hip problems in recent years, you've got to wonder if he can bounce back to his previous greatness. For $27 million, you expect MVP-like numbers.

    So, in the end, you are right ... six more years before we can dump his butt (but only two more years before we can drop Burnett!!)

    PS Interested to see how the Fielder at 1B; Cabrera at 3B plays out. Fielder is actually an excellent defensive first baseman -- a BIG upgrade on Carbrera. The question is whether Cabrera can do a passable job at third ... or whether he ends up as a fulltime DH. If that happens, what do you do when Martinez comes back -- stick him at catcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasputin View Post

    Prince uses performance-enhancing bacon.
    Au contraire, my good chum, Fielder is a vegetarian!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    The Tigers just supposedly signed Prince Fielder for 9-years, $214 mil. That's about $23.8 mil per season for a dude who looks like his knees are one buffet away from being permanently injured.

    -Jason
    Fielder has played a minimum of 157 games in each of his six full seasons in the big leagues. I'm a real wanker for saying this.Last year, he played in all 162.

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