First off, apologies. I wasn't really addressing your post specifically, just using it as a jumping point for my own post. I should have made that more clear. But what I was trying to address was what seems to be an oversized reaction from the NC State fanbase. Think about it: people are still shouting about a referee blowing a call four days after the game, and this is for a call that had absolutely zero effect on the outcome of the game. I have never seen such a burning spotlight placed on a call which, though embarassing for Hess, was completely inconsequential for the game itself. I think it says something about the current mental fragility of the NC State fanbase right now. They are still reeling from their collapse against us. Maybe it's PTSD?
He's just been good at faking people out for all these years?
I'd forgotten this (scroll down):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty...arl_Hess_.2311
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Man, if your Mom made you wear that color when you were a baby, and you're still wearing it, it's time to grow up!
After all this discussion, we still do not know what C&G did. It seems to me that the ACC could have put out a simple statement saying what they did. That way all schools and all fans would be on notice about the specific behavior that was deemed unacceptable. The failure of the ACC to take this simple step convinces me that they know that Hess was out of control. The issue is not how good an official he is, but why he made this particular call. The fact that he is a "good official" is irrelevant. And with all due respect to Playcaller, his article is filled with "ifs" not facts. Hess screwed up, the ACC needs to protect its officials. As always, the coverup is worse than the crime.
The league says it has conducted a thorough investigation of the incident. I take that to mean it interviewed the officials at the scorer's table as well as the FSU assistant AD who commented on the incident to NC State officials. I say all that with a bit of sarcasm.
As someone who reads Pack Pride daily, this is not a simple case of that fan base reeling from the loss to Duke. They perceive the conference as having favored their two neighbors for far too long. Go over there and argue with them about it. There are enough threads on the subject.
That Wikipedia article says Hess is a psychologist who also refs basketball games?
Nothing to it, just interesting. Karl himself is a legendary baller.
Those farmers over at State College need to get a grip. Just how is the State perception of ref favoritism any different than that of our unrival, the Maryland Terps'? Or Carolina's? Or ours? It just happens to ebb and flow, according to whether things are going good at the time. Things are not going well over in Raleigh these last few days.
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Man, if your Mom made you wear that color when you were a baby, and you're still wearing it, it's time to grow up!
Yahoo headline:
Mark Gottfried blasts Karl Hess over ejection of NC State legends
Gottfried did not hold back the way he did in his news conference after Saturday's game. He called Hess' decision "weak" and said "the official was completely out of line 100 percent." "I'm disappointed quite frankly in the ACC because not only did he throw out two of North Carolina State's greats, he threw out two of the ACC's greats," Gottfried said. "The league is supporting an official rather than supporting former great players. The former great players, in my opinion, were embarrassed and wronged when they shouldn't have been. I don't think you can have rabbit ears like that if you're a referee and start throwing people out. I was disappointed in the whole thing."
For context, Gottfried did not make those comments at a press conference or in front of a reporter. The comments were made to the students at the annual "Ram Roast" last night, which is held each year prior to the game with UNC. It being 2012 and all that, one of the students recorded it on his phone and decided it would be a good idea to post it on Facebook. A classic case of "I have met the enemy and it is me". Dumb idea to hang your coach out like that if you ask me.
I suspect the ACC will reprimand Gottfried which will only make this worse.
Agree. It;s sad really. In that type of setting, coaches will generaly speak more frankly and thats a good thing. If their own students are going to ruin that by taking it viral then, like you indicate, all we will ever get is "coach speak" no matter the setting. There are some things better left off the internet.
In some ways, Yahoo's headine is worse than what Gottfried actually said.
It won't matter, though, cuz Gottfried will pay for it.
Iwould be surprised if the ACC does anything to Gottfried. the ACC obviously wants this to go away. Punishing Gottfried breathes new life into this controversy and almost guarantees that it carries over to the Tournament. And it would further inflame a fan base that is convinced that the league is out to get them. Unless the league is willing to come forward with a credible explanation of why what C&G did was so outrageously excessive that it necessitating the ejection of team and league legends it would be best to just ignore Gottfried's statements. The league office needs to remember the first rule of hole digging--when you get in too deep it is time to stop digging.
Googs was interviewed last night on a local Atlanta sports network station, CSS. He was attending the game with his daughter and said he has no idea as to why he was ejected. I'll(or someone more accomplished than I, Jason??) will try to find a link to the interview on the CSS website.
Yes, it is 2012. There is no way Mark Gottfried--who is pretty media savy--could expect to say something like that in a public arena and have it remain private. It's not like he was talking to a couple of his closest friends in his living room. He knew darn well there was no expectation of privacy. Not with that many people with smart phones and Facebook/Twitter accounts.
He said what he wanted to say.
Well if all he said is what was transcribed above, then.. so what? He is disappointed in the ACC's reaction and Karl Hess has rabbitt ears... not exactly a scathing reaction IMO.