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    Even though it would suck to at CIS for a loss to UNC that clinches the conference, I would love to witness what happens when Roy tries to cut down our nets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    Even though it would suck to at CIS for a loss to UNC that clinches the conference, I would love to witness what happens when Roy tries to cut down our nets.
    Yeah, that definitely would not have gone over well -- I think it'd be interesting to see what K would do in that situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnavy View Post
    Loved the part about how he went to Ames Iowa, and {K's but} only went twice... yea, so how did that work out for you Roy??? You basically landed the most overhyped high school prim donna in the history of the sport... congrats. Sounds like K may have had a little more sense to not waste as much time on him as you did.
    Wah, wah, wah... Zeller got pushed... get over it. You had four years of Hansbrough walking up and down the lane initiating more contact than a middle linebacker in the NFL on a Sunday, yet went to the line more that anyone in ACC history….
    Why don’t you shut up and learn how to manage a game so you won’t need to worry about a missed call late in a game that was in the bag that is until your players weren’t “coached to burn clock”….
    Love it!!!! On a Hansbrough sidenote, I've watched several Pacers games over the last few years; and in a league where they frequently allow players to take extra steps, Hansbrough has been called for more walks this year than I could ever recall him getting called for in his four years of college combined.

    I know it was Roy was at a Booster dinner; but why on God's green earth would he make those kinds of public statements towards K and Duke? K would never say anything remotely similar about UNC and Roy in the public like that. Just when I thought Roy was over his inferiority complex in regards to K, it comes back to bite him in the rear end again.

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    what about having austin get a ladder and cut the nets down at the dome?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnavy View Post
    Loved the part about how he went to Ames Iowa, and {K's but} only went twice... yea, so how did that work out for you Roy??? You basically landed the most overhyped high school prim donna in the history of the sport... congrats. Sounds like K may have had a little more sense to not waste as much time on him as you did..
    Curious. . . Do you honestly think that landing the ACC Rookie of the Year, who won countless games for Carolina in his two years (Miami, Clemson and FSU his freshman year and big time shots against Wisconsin and others this year) was not worth it? I get that Duke fans are bitter about the way that Barnes chose his school but any rational fan has to admit that the kid played well for Carolina even if you think he ended up not being what some might have hoped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gethlives View Post
    Curious. . . Do you honestly think that landing the ACC Rookie of the Year, who won countless games for Carolina in his two years (Miami, Clemson and FSU his freshman year and big time shots against Wisconsin and others this year) was not worth it? I get that Duke fans are bitter about the way that Barnes chose his school but any rational fan has to admit that the kid played well for Carolina even if you think he ended up not being what some might have hoped.
    Barnes did do a lot of great things for Carolina and was a very solid college basketball player. But to say "he ended up not being what some might have hoped" is quite an understatement.

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    I gotta think Roy will hang it up before Mike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    Even though it would suck to at CIS for a loss to UNC that clinches the conference, I would love to witness what happens when Roy tries to cut down our nets.
    Pretty sure they didn't clinch the conference that night or ANY night this year (or since 2008).
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    Quote Originally Posted by gethlives View Post
    Curious. . . Do you honestly think that landing the ACC Rookie of the Year, who won countless games for Carolina in his two years (Miami, Clemson and FSU his freshman year and big time shots against Wisconsin and others this year) was not worth it? I get that Duke fans are bitter about the way that Barnes chose his school but any rational fan has to admit that the kid played well for Carolina even if you think he ended up not being what some might have hoped.
    Fair point, but at the end of the day he will be remembered more for what he did not do vs what he did do in terms of performance on the court. In terms of off the court, he will be remembered as a kid with a destructive ego, inflated sense of self worth, and borderline embarrassment to the program. The UNC fans already have turned on him.

    Notice too, that most of the "magic", was accomplished in the 2nd half of his freshman season, and there is a "but" that can be inserted after almost every one of the accomplishments. One example is the Rookie Of The Year you reference. "Barnes was the ACC ROY! Yes, but that is only because the Irving kid at Duke went down with an injury"

    The buzzer beating 3's to steal wins all came as a freshman. The 40 point game against Clemson in the ACC semi's was supposed to be the turning point and the first of many dominant performances as a Sophomore, on the way to achieving first team All America, National Player of The Year, and MVP in championship games. Instead, the achievements were a 1st Team All-ACC selection that many feel was undeserved, a Regular Season title squeaked out by one game, arguably achieved by only having to play FSU once, and a 3rd Team selection on one of the lesser known All America teams. No tourney championships, no Final Fours, no AP All American selection, and not a sniff of National Player of the year.

    Even with all that, the biggest disappointment I hear from local UNC fans, was his inability to put the team on his back after Kendall went down, and lead the team to the Final Four. His performance against the 11 Seeded Ohio team in the Sweet 16 that arguably should have been a loss, was the final nail in the coffin for most local Heel fans. That performance left them with the correct assumption that if he could not do it against Ohio, there was no chance of it happening against Kansas.

    The off court antics and ego greatly hurt, and formed the lasting impression most will remember about Harrison Barnes the college player, for both UNC and non-UNC fans alike, but the on court performance when the team faced adversity and desperately needed a hero, sealed the fate for how he will be remembered on the court by most fans. Whether that's fair or not is debatable. What's not debatable is that by declaring for the draft, Barnes will never get another opportunity to change how he will be remembered as a collegiate player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    One example is the Rookie Of The Year you reference. "Barnes was the ACC ROY! Yes, but that is only because the Irving kid at Duke went down with an injury"

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    this is so freaking true that it yelled at me with a megaphone when i walked by the computer...
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    Me thinks Irving will be collecting a rookie of the year award in the not so distant future...

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    Roy is so full of it to say something like he would have cut down the nets at Cameron.

    Remember, this is the guy who basically could not get off the floor fast enough at FSU because he was worried about his players getting hurt by a "happy crowd" of fans celebrating a win.

    So now he wants the world to believe that he would be willing to rub it in the face of 9000+ angry fans? Who does this guy think he is fooling. He talks a great game about how tough he is and what a mountain man he is, but when he had an opportunity to face a so called "dangerous" situation where he and his kids would just basically need to stand aside and get out of the way of a celebratory crowd he ran like a little girl, ensuring HE was the first off the court.

    Now he expects us to believe that he would have the balls to take the Cameron floor and cut down our nets??? I'm throwing the BIG BS flag on that one.

    He got Harrison Jordan Barnes to go to UNC... WHAT A MAJOR recruiting coup! "The dude" was named after MJ and was never going to go anywhere else but UNC according to his own accounts... so why did it take you 11 trips to Ames to make it happen?? Your time may have been better spent in Indiana on Cody Zeller.

    Now you need it to sound like you beat K out in this recruitment battle?? It was a set up the whole time. Even HB admits to that. But even with the fix in it sounds like you were so unsure of yourself that it took you 11 trips to convince yourself of what was already in the bag... can you say inferiority complex? Sounds like despite the predetermined outcome, K had you a little worried... huh?

    Roy is perfect in everyway and is the toughest man on the planet earth. He is a mountain man (who also gets pedicures and massage therapy), so NEVER EVER question him on anything... just tell him how wonderful and scary he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gethlives View Post
    Curious. . . Do you honestly think that landing the ACC Rookie of the Year, who won countless games for Carolina in his two years (Miami, Clemson and FSU his freshman year and big time shots against Wisconsin and others this year) was not worth it? I get that Duke fans are bitter about the way that Barnes chose his school but any rational fan has to admit that the kid played well for Carolina even if you think he ended up not being what some might have hoped.
    First I would agrue that the ROY award was Kendall Marshall's, except for the fact that the media has way too much invested in HB to give it to anyone else. And anyone that is a tiny bit objective would realize that KM was the best freshman that year (given Irvings' injury).

    Second, yes the kid played well. So did did Serge Zwikker when he was there (ok, a little ridiculous I admit, but lots of players have played well for UNC and not been elevated to cult status).

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    Hahaha, such a silly little old man is that roy.
    Sittin' up thar on his porch wit' his trusty raccoon huntin' hound, chewin' a length of strawgrass...

    Blowhard nincompoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldnavy View Post
    Roy is so full of it to say something like he would have cut down the nets at Cameron.

    Remember, this is the guy who basically could not get off the floor fast enough at FSU because he was worried about his players getting hurt by a "happy crowd" of fans celebrating a win. ...
    There needs to be some sort of Roy Threat Matrix.

    Bitter rival feeling oats, doing provocative, unnecessary, celebratory net-cutting action in hostile arena =
    PRETTY GOOD IDEA ... EXPLORE DOING

    FSU co-eds smiling and dancing on court =
    MODERATE DANGER ... WOMEN/CHILDREN TAKE COVER ... ONLY BLUE STEEL ALLOWED ACCESS TO AREA

    Solitary, non-cussing Presbyterian fan saying "miss it", surrounded by 20,000 Tar Heels Fans =
    EXTREME DANGER ... CALL SECURITY

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    (JANUARY 17, 2012 CHAPEL HILL, N.C.) Details have emerged about a cell phone call made to University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill head men’s basketball coach Roy Williams soon after the Tar Heels lost in Tallahassee Saturday...

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    That sounds like Captain Schettino's conversation as he abandoned the Costa Condordia.

    Wait a minute, maybe Schettino can get the assistant coach position since deep down he seems to be a Carolina guy. If nothing else, he can stand on the sidelines in a life preserver next to a tall blonde and shout "Forza Carolina del Nord!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    Fair point, but at the end of the day he will be remembered more for what he did not do vs what he did do in terms of performance on the court. In terms of off the court, he will be remembered as a kid with a destructive ego, inflated sense of self worth, and borderline embarrassment to the program. The UNC fans already have turned on him.

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    I agree that many Carolina fans have turned on Barnes, a fact that this Carolina fan finds incredibly disappointing. In the mind of this Carolina fan, Harrison Barnes was an incredibly hard working, well-spoken, nice kid (he was wonderful at a clinic I took my son too earlier in the year) who happened also to be a great basketball player. He represented the program with class and I know will continue to do so for years in the NBA. An embarrassment to the program? I'd take many more Harrison Barnes to come through Chapel Hill. Should he have been named first team all ACC ahead of Kendall--no. Was he obviously #6 yes.

    I know we live in a black and white world where if you aren't amazing you suck, but the attitude to Barnes has gotten out of hand. Yes he had an awful two final games. JJ Reddick shot, I believe about 30% in his final two tournament losses--doesn't mean he wasn't one of Duke's best players of all time.

    Also, note that vitriol coming to Barnes from Duke fans is fine--your biggest rival should have nothing but disdain for players who wear opposing uniforms. I find the attitude of Carolina fans towards him disgusting, as I'm sure a lot of you found attitudes of your fellow fans towards people like Shavlik Randolph who were considered disappointing or people like Will Avery who left before they were deemed ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gethlives View Post
    yes he had an awful two final games. JJ Reddick shot, I believe about 30% in his final two tournament losses--doesn't mean he wasn't one of Duke's best players of all time.

    whoa. did u just compare the fallen pigeon to JJ freaking redick?
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    JJ Redick

    Let's see ... JJ Redick was a two-time concensus first-team All-American, the consensus national player of the year as a senior. He was two-time ACC player of the year and played on one Final Four team and three ACC championship teams (twice, he was Tournament MVP and should have been a third time). The Black Falcon was never a first-team All-American, never a blip on the national player of the year radar, never a candidate for ACC POY and never played in the Final Four or on an ACC championship team.

    And, oh yes, Redick was 6-3 against his biggest rival ... Barnes was 2-3 against Duke.

    Yeah, I can see why a Carolina fan would like to link the two of them ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gethlives View Post
    I agree that many Carolina fans have turned on Barnes, a fact that this Carolina fan finds incredibly disappointing. In the mind of this Carolina fan, Harrison Barnes was an incredibly hard working, well-spoken, nice kid (he was wonderful at a clinic I took my son too earlier in the year) who happened also to be a great basketball player. He represented the program with class and I know will continue to do so for years in the NBA. An embarrassment to the program? I'd take many more Harrison Barnes to come through Chapel Hill. Should he have been named first team all ACC ahead of Kendall--no. Was he obviously #6 yes.

    I know we live in a black and white world where if you aren't amazing you suck, but the attitude to Barnes has gotten out of hand. Yes he had an awful two final games. JJ Reddick shot, I believe about 30% in his final two tournament losses--doesn't mean he wasn't one of Duke's best players of all time.

    Also, note that vitriol coming to Barnes from Duke fans is fine--your biggest rival should have nothing but disdain for players who wear opposing uniforms. I find the attitude of Carolina fans towards him disgusting, as I'm sure a lot of you found attitudes of your fellow fans towards people like Shavlik Randolph who were considered disappointing or people like Will Avery who left before they were deemed ready.
    Well said. I think that the criticism/mocking of Barnes's prematurely inflated ego and pursuit of brand is warranted, but if I was a Carolina fan I'd think that I'd defend him, because he probably is a nice enough person. Mocking the ego element has caused people to look at him as more of a basketball disappointment than he actually was, but for Duke fans it's easy to pour it on after how the recruitment went down. I definitely dislike seeing Duke fans turn on our own guys though so I appreciate you sticking up for yours.

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