Trouble at Kansas???

[CMS2478]

Seems there will be an investigation on the eligibility of Darrell Arthur and if the NCAA rules him ineligible KU could forfeit all games including the national championship game. Highly unlikely, but something to watch anyway.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw...1047fd860.html

[AnotherNYCDukeFan]

Perhaps someone could answer this for me. If Arthur were ineligible, wouldn't it only have applied to his freshman year, thus making him eligible for the 2007-08 season (sophomore year)?

[ugadevil]

Would Memphis be named national champions if Kansas had to forfeit the game? It seems ironic that a John Calipari coached team would win a national championship because of another school's NCAA violations.

[Ignatius07]

Would Memphis be named national champions if Kansas had to forfeit the game? It seems ironic that a John Calipari coached team would win a national championship because of another school's NCAA violations.

Interesting question. I guess they would have to be. I personally feel there is very little chance of the NCAA vacating a national championship. There would have to be a major (read: OJ Mayo) scandal to do that. As much as the NCAA harps about "student-athletes," academics are not important to it. Whether it should be is another issue.

[crimsonandblue]

The NCAA Clearinghouse certified Arthur and ruled him eligible to play. This relates to an allegation that grades were changed in Arthur's sophomore and junior years in high school. Had the teacher come forward back then, Arthur would, no doubt, have simply made up the classes.

Anyway, there seems to be no risk that the NCAA would take action against Kansas for something that happened in high school that the NCAA Clearinghouse then certified over.

[Ignatius07]

The NCAA Clearinghouse certified Arthur and ruled him eligible to play. This relates to an allegation that grades were changed in Arthur's sophomore and junior years in high school. Had the teacher come forward back then, Arthur would, no doubt, have simply made up the classes.

Anyway, there seems to be no risk that the NCAA would take action against Kansas for something that happened in high school that the NCAA Clearinghouse then certified over.

...he said with quivering hands (?).

It does sound like this would have more of an impact on Arthur's HS state championships than college national championship.

[sagegrouse]

The NCAA Clearinghouse certified Arthur and ruled him eligible to play. This relates to an allegation that grades were changed in Arthur's sophomore and junior years in high school. Had the teacher come forward back then, Arthur would, no doubt, have simply made up the classes.

Anyway, there seems to be no risk that the NCAA would take action against Kansas for something that happened in high school that the NCAA Clearinghouse then certified over.

If there is an allegation that a teacher in the high school "papered over" his grade, there is no NCAA issue at all -- or even a KU issue. The high school issued a diploma and, I am sure, an official transcript that met KU and NCAA standards.

I suppose this alleged incident could be an issue in the school system, but I can't believe that any retroactive action it might consider would have any effect on an NCAA ruling. Moreover, the tendency would be to nail the teacher, not the student.

La vie, c'est marche. There is much less here than meets the eye.

sagegrouse

[crimsonandblue]

Not so much quivering hands as exasperation. Kid supposedly just got a 3.0 at KU this semester when he's been out the door the whole time to the NBA. So, it's not like he's an idiot.

And I thought the state title had already been wiped off the board for using a different ineligible player. Yeah, sounds like a quality HS program...

[Ignatius07]

And I thought the state title had already been wiped off the board for using a different ineligible player. Yeah, sounds like a quality HS program...

I think the 2005 title had been vacated because of another player, but that 2006 - when they won again - could also be affected. Perhaps the years are reversed.

[ugadevil]

This sounds like a situation Mario Chalmers' dad should have known about!

[mgtr]

Once again, we can all be thankful for the way that Coach K recruits. That way we are more certain not to end up with "student-athletes" who show up with suitcases full of trouble.

[davekay1971]

As long as this doesn't invalidate the 40-12 butt-whoopin' the Jayhawks laid on the 'Holes for those glorious 13 minutes...

[tbyers11]

Once again, we can all be thankful for the way that Coach K recruits. That way we are more certain not to end up with "student-athletes" who show up with suitcases full of trouble.

I agree that Coach K seems to recruit good "character" kids that are also great basketball players, but before we get too high and mighty we should remember the Myron Piggie-Corey Maggette incident. With all of the shady characters and hangers-on involved in the AAU circuit, it is becoming nearly impossible to assume that everyone we recruit is clean as a whistle.

The Maggette affair seems like a close parallel to this Darrell Arthur situation. Both had incidents that allegedly took place well before their arrival at college (Arthur's grades and Maggette's receiving "gifts" from Piggie) that had nothing at all to do with Kansas or Duke.

Nothing happened to Duke for the Piggie-Maggette situation nor, in my opinion, should anything happen to Kansas for this situation.

[Stray Gator]

I agree that Coach K seems to recruit good "character" kids that are also great basketball players, but before we get too high and mighty we should remember the Myron Piggie-Corey Maggette incident. With all of the shady characters and hangers-on involved in the AAU circuit, it is becoming nearly impossible to assume that everyone we recruit is clean as a whistle.

The Maggette affair seems like a close parallel to this Darrell Arthur situation. Both had incidents that allegedly took place well before their arrival at college (Arthur's grades and Maggette's receiving "gifts" from Piggie) that had nothing at all to do with Kansas or Duke.

Nothing happened to Duke for the Piggie-Maggette situation nor, in my opinion, should anything happen to Kansas for this situation.

I agree--unless and until there is reliable evidence that Kansas recruited and signed Arthur with knowledge of this academic issue, I see no greater justification for faulting the Kansas program now than there was for faulting Duke's program when the Maggette controversy surfaced.

[hc5duke]

so... does this mean I actually won my office pool? I was in the lead going into the final game, and lost because Kansas won.

[snowdenscold]

so... does this mean I actually won my office pool? I was in the lead going into the final game, and lost because Kansas won.

Negative, ghostrider.

[speedevil]

Seems there will be an investigation on the eligibility of Darrell Arthur and if the NCAA rules him ineligible KU could forfeit all games including the national championship game. Highly unlikely, but something to watch anyway.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dw...1047fd860.html

does this mean i have to forfeit my ncaa tournament pool?

i won because i picked kansas over memphis.

[dukemomLA]

The NCAA is to blame...again and again. They make a FORTUNE off these kids. Create blowoffs in the media when it benefits them, and NONE of this helps our student/athletes coast-to-coast. Sorry, folks, but I've been around long enough, and a sports enthusiast for a lifetime. The NCAA is only interested in THEMSELVES!!!!

[MChambers]

I agree--unless and until there is reliable evidence that Kansas recruited and signed Arthur with knowledge of this academic issue, I see no greater justification for faulting the Kansas program now than there was for faulting Duke's program when the Maggette controversy surfaced.

I dimly remember that when Arthur was a high school senior, he was a late signer, and there were rumors that he wouldn't be eligible for college. Note that I don't follow recruiting very closely at all, so these rumors must have been pretty widespread. I don't remember the same level of whispering about Maggette.

[grad_devil]

The NCAA is to blame...again and again. They make a FORTUNE off these kids. Create blowoffs in the media when it benefits them, and NONE of this helps our student/athletes coast-to-coast. Sorry, folks, but I've been around long enough, and a sports enthusiast for a lifetime. The NCAA is only interested in THEMSELVES!!!!

I know is often looks like this, but I really beg to differ.

I'm the Faculty Athletics Representative at a small D2 school, and I've been involved with the NCAA for the past three years. This involves attending the last three NCAA conventions as well as multiple other rules seminars/etc.

For example, our school pays < $10k a year for our NCAA membership dues, then RECEIVES well over $10k a year back from them through an NCAA grant program. This money must be used to support STUDENT-athletes, and can be used at the school's discretion. We use it to create a tutoring system to support student-athletes who struggle with their courses.

At the end of the day, you must remember that the NCAA is made up of the member schools. Member schools vote on and set the rules. Committees made up of member schools decide on penalties when these rules are broken. Other like-composed committees decide how to spend membership dues, etc..


So your last sentence was correct in some sense -- the NCAA is interested in themselves, because "themselves" are the individual schools that comprise the membership. If you don't think that translates to also being about the student-athlete, then I guess the finger needs to be pointed at the individual academic institutions.

--grad_devil