UCLA Freshman F Chace Stanback has announced he will be transferring. Stanback was ranked just about the same as TK coming out of high school.
Do all of you who were citing the TK transfer as a harbinger of doom for the Duke program feel that way about this announcement and UCLA's program?
Julian Vaughn is leaving FSU.
Shane Walker is leaving Maryland.
Vernon Macklin is leaving Georgetown.
Last edited by JBDuke; 05-01-2008 at 02:30 AM. Reason: no profanity - even asterisked profanity - please
Doesn't sound tongue in cheek; instead, it is pointing out how the two situations are not similar.
Just be you. You is enough. - K, 4/5/10, 0:13.8 to play, 60-59 Duke.
You're all jealous hypocrites. - Titus on Laettner
You see those guys? Animals. They're animals. - SIU Coach Chris Lowery, on Duke
We all know very, very well if you don't play your butt off on defense for Coach K it wouldn't matter if you could hit nothing but net from Wallace Wade Stadium. King had range and a lot of room to grow as a player, but IMO he got in the doghouse. He got fewer minutes as the season wore on and whether it was over a personality conflict or lack of playing time he transfered. Boykins transfer was apparently family oriented. And while I was not a huge fan of Randolph or Boateng and their play, they were both still live breathing guys with height. And in those two cases they left early / transfered knowing the next season they would get more playing time due to graduation. BUT THEY LEFT ANYWAY.
You can say what you want about NBA draft speculators, but Randolph left knowing full well he wasn't going to be in the 1st round. McRoberts may have thought he would be late first round, but he took the chance instead of staying and improving his stock. You can say what you want about attitude, work ethic or whatever concerning McRoberts. But he could definately have used at least one more year in school and by God Duke could have used him last season, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. We all knew Boateng was a project when he arrived at Duke. I don't know if it says something about judging tallent or perhaps him realizing he might not be as good as advertised. But with Boateng, McRoberts and Randolph the season after they left they all could have had more playing time. And for Duke while the points per game and rebounding would vary, it was five fouls and an extra height. Even Burgess left knowing Brand was going pro and he would be called on the next season to be the main guy inside. Is it just me or can someone see how more playing time AT DUKE would be like being offered a Ferarri and the person saying, "no, I'm going to get me an AMC Pacer".
Knowing King committed so early to UCLA then backed out, it's shouldn't be a shock he might have been on the fickle side. I've seen the posts that say transfers and / or early departures at Duke are even or only slightly higher than at other schools, yada, yad, yada. What I want to know (and I guess there is no way of knowing) do these guys talk to the coaches and express their idea of transfering? (They must talk to other players about what they are thinking of doing.) Or is it more they pop into Coach K's office and let him know they ARE transfering. I realize if Coach K isn't going to promise a potential recruit X number of minutes, it's very unlikely he'd be the type to try very hard to convince a player to stay. But I have noticed over the years, right or wrong once you get in Coach K's doghouse you seldom get out of it. Sure there are players that being in the doghouse will make them work that much harder. But this generation (God that makes me sound like I'm in my 70's) often doesn't respond to criticism, being ridden and cursed out. One must remember they were the 1st generation where everyone got a ribbon at field day so no one would feel left out. And kids today get a trophy if their basketball team finishes 10th out of a ten team league.
I am not saying Coach K doesn't know what he's doing and can't learn a new thing or two. If anything this past season proved he is capable of adapting out of necessity, rethinking possible other ways of doing things and learning from other people as much as he teaches. My dad, God rest his soul; knew the only thing I would respond to to make me change my actions was stern words and perhaps a pop in the back of the head. The generation of "time out", "I'm okay you're okay" and there are no losers might need to be handled a little differently than Alarie, Dawkins, Snyder and Ferry. People have said they miss the cocky Duke swagger our teams used to have. I miss a guy like Laettner who hated to lose and would give his heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears to win. Duke has had great players since him, but I haven't seen any player with the collegiate intestinal fortitude of a Danny Manning or Laettner in a long time. (Maybe Carmello or Morrison) But I see it as a sign of the times as much as anything, times change, people change; perhaps ways of handing 18-22 year olds needs to change as well.
Comparing Duke's transfer statistics now to transfers in days past is like comparing the divorce rate of Duke grads in the last 10 years to the divorce rate 20 years prior. OH MY GOD, Duke must be doing something wrong because the divorce rate of its grads has tripled!
BTW, the glass is WAY above half full
With recent early exits, TK's transfer is, as I put it "icing on the cake". Or maybe I should say, adding insult to injury. TK tansferring is not the low point of the last two seasons, but it's kinda just one more thing that makes you go ugh.
UCLA is in a completely different situation than us. For them, this transfer is a minor sniffle. It's kind of like when Andre Sweet transferred. We were in the midst of a very dominant time period and it didn't really seem like much to cough at. TK leaving after the results of the past two seasons gives me a lot more pause.
With Hansbrough staying it really creates a log jam at the 4 and 5 spots for them.
Next year they will be 5 deep at the 4/5 spot and with Hansbrough getting 35 mins a game it will leave Thompson, Stephenson, Zeller and Davis to fight over 45 mins.
A year later they lose Hansbrough but gain the Wear twins and John Henson....meaning they will be an astonishing 7 deep at the 4/5 spot.
Even if they red-shirt someone they still will be WAY to committed in the front court.
If your precedent is that we have had transfers here in Durham, I'd say that's not enough to go on. I think that Q hanging around for four years is stronger evidence that they will not have transfer problems, and that they are able to retain a deep bench of guys that could get more PT if they went elsewhere.
Personally, I wouldn't coddle the current generation. Be direct, honest, set goals, demand performance, follow through on consequences . . . and if they don't like it, fine, let them transfer.
Coaching goes beyond winning ball games. Its also about making men out of boys, IMO . . . and its a mean nasty world out there and they need to be prepared for it. There are no trophies for 10th place where I work . . .