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    More transfer news

    UCLA Freshman F Chace Stanback has announced he will be transferring. Stanback was ranked just about the same as TK coming out of high school.

    Do all of you who were citing the TK transfer as a harbinger of doom for the Duke program feel that way about this announcement and UCLA's program?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?s...v=ap&type=lgns

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    Julian Vaughn is leaving FSU.

    Shane Walker is leaving Maryland.

    Vernon Macklin is leaving Georgetown.

    Stuff happens.
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    And.....

    Quote Originally Posted by devilboomer View Post
    Julian Vaughn is leaving FSU.

    Shane Walker is leaving Maryland.

    Vernon Macklin is leaving Georgetown.

    Stuff happens.
    According to a lot of Duke fans on internet message board we should be going after all of them. Maybe we should go after that Taylor King guy that transferred too, oh wait he was on our team, uh yeah forget that bum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMS2478 View Post
    ... Maybe we should go after that Taylor King guy that transferred too...
    Who?????



    Oh, him. We left him Miles behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyr484 View Post
    UCLA Freshman F Chace Stanback has announced he will be transferring. Stanback was ranked just about the same as TK coming out of high school.

    Do all of you who were citing the TK transfer as a harbinger of doom for the Duke program feel that way about this announcement and UCLA's program?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?s...v=ap&type=lgns
    No. They've been to 3 straight Final Fours. It seems they know what they're doing.

    For Duke though, TK transferring is just some icing on the cake for two years of poor post-season performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edouble View Post
    No. They've been to 3 straight Final Fours. It seems they know what they're doing.

    For Duke though, TK transferring is just some icing on the cake for two years of poor post-season performance.
    Oh, for the love of puppies... I vaguely remember a transfer or two from Kansas a year or three ago, one of them a guy by the name of David Padgett, who seems to possibly have just finished a fairly reasonable year at Louisville. I don't think that hurt them all that much, even despite two straight years of poor postseason performance. Just let it play out and enjoy the path we take to get wherever we're going.

    M.H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edouble View Post
    No. They've been to 3 straight Final Fours. It seems they know what they're doing.

    For Duke though, TK transferring is just some icing on the cake for two years of poor post-season performance.
    Please tell me this was tongue in cheek.
    Just be you. You is enough. - K, 4/5/10, 0:13.8 to play, 60-59 Duke.

    You're all jealous hypocrites. - Titus on Laettner

    You see those guys? Animals. They're animals. - SIU Coach Chris Lowery, on Duke

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    Doesn't sound tongue in cheek; instead, it is pointing out how the two situations are not similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    Doesn't sound tongue in cheek; instead, it is pointing out how the two situations are not similar.
    Not very well. Neither team's performance was affected greatly by these players who received limited minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Ash View Post
    Doesn't sound tongue in cheek; instead, it is pointing out how the two situations are not similar.
    So if we were coming off of three final fours, with the same current roster composition, the transfer of Taylor King wouldn't be a big deal, but because we've had a couple recent early exits, it shows that we don't know what we're doing?
    Just be you. You is enough. - K, 4/5/10, 0:13.8 to play, 60-59 Duke.

    You're all jealous hypocrites. - Titus on Laettner

    You see those guys? Animals. They're animals. - SIU Coach Chris Lowery, on Duke

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    C'mon

    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    So if we were coming off of three final fours, with the same current roster composition, the transfer of Taylor King wouldn't be a big deal, but because we've had a couple recent early exits, it shows that we don't know what we're doing?
    As with anything there are going to be the glass is half full people and the glass is half empty people. And I guess there can be people who look at an empty glass and claim it's full, and vice versa. I'm sure this thread will get moved and included in another thread, possibly the one about King transfering. But if you look at the number of guys Duke has had transfer in the last fifteen years AND certain early NBA draft guys. Well it doesn't take Ray Charles to see how there might be legs to the idea of a problem.

    We all know very, very well if you don't play your butt off on defense for Coach K it wouldn't matter if you could hit nothing but net from Wallace Wade Stadium. King had range and a lot of room to grow as a player, but IMO he got in the doghouse. He got fewer minutes as the season wore on and whether it was over a personality conflict or lack of playing time he transfered. Boykins transfer was apparently family oriented. And while I was not a huge fan of Randolph or Boateng and their play, they were both still live breathing guys with height. And in those two cases they left early / transfered knowing the next season they would get more playing time due to graduation. BUT THEY LEFT ANYWAY.

    You can say what you want about NBA draft speculators, but Randolph left knowing full well he wasn't going to be in the 1st round. McRoberts may have thought he would be late first round, but he took the chance instead of staying and improving his stock. You can say what you want about attitude, work ethic or whatever concerning McRoberts. But he could definately have used at least one more year in school and by God Duke could have used him last season, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. We all knew Boateng was a project when he arrived at Duke. I don't know if it says something about judging tallent or perhaps him realizing he might not be as good as advertised. But with Boateng, McRoberts and Randolph the season after they left they all could have had more playing time. And for Duke while the points per game and rebounding would vary, it was five fouls and an extra height. Even Burgess left knowing Brand was going pro and he would be called on the next season to be the main guy inside. Is it just me or can someone see how more playing time AT DUKE would be like being offered a Ferarri and the person saying, "no, I'm going to get me an AMC Pacer".

    Knowing King committed so early to UCLA then backed out, it's shouldn't be a shock he might have been on the fickle side. I've seen the posts that say transfers and / or early departures at Duke are even or only slightly higher than at other schools, yada, yad, yada. What I want to know (and I guess there is no way of knowing) do these guys talk to the coaches and express their idea of transfering? (They must talk to other players about what they are thinking of doing.) Or is it more they pop into Coach K's office and let him know they ARE transfering. I realize if Coach K isn't going to promise a potential recruit X number of minutes, it's very unlikely he'd be the type to try very hard to convince a player to stay. But I have noticed over the years, right or wrong once you get in Coach K's doghouse you seldom get out of it. Sure there are players that being in the doghouse will make them work that much harder. But this generation (God that makes me sound like I'm in my 70's) often doesn't respond to criticism, being ridden and cursed out. One must remember they were the 1st generation where everyone got a ribbon at field day so no one would feel left out. And kids today get a trophy if their basketball team finishes 10th out of a ten team league.

    I am not saying Coach K doesn't know what he's doing and can't learn a new thing or two. If anything this past season proved he is capable of adapting out of necessity, rethinking possible other ways of doing things and learning from other people as much as he teaches. My dad, God rest his soul; knew the only thing I would respond to to make me change my actions was stern words and perhaps a pop in the back of the head. The generation of "time out", "I'm okay you're okay" and there are no losers might need to be handled a little differently than Alarie, Dawkins, Snyder and Ferry. People have said they miss the cocky Duke swagger our teams used to have. I miss a guy like Laettner who hated to lose and would give his heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears to win. Duke has had great players since him, but I haven't seen any player with the collegiate intestinal fortitude of a Danny Manning or Laettner in a long time. (Maybe Carmello or Morrison) But I see it as a sign of the times as much as anything, times change, people change; perhaps ways of handing 18-22 year olds needs to change as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latta6970 View Post
    But this generation (God that makes me sound like I'm in my 70's) often doesn't respond to criticism, being ridden and cursed out. One must remember they were the 1st generation where everyone got a ribbon at field day so no one would feel left out. And kids today get a trophy if their basketball team finishes 10th out of a ten team league.

    ... But I see it as a sign of the times as much as anything, times change, people change; perhaps ways of handing 18-22 year olds needs to change as well.
    Perhaps we need to accept that times have changed and that more kids will transfer. Look at the number of transfers this year. We are not alone. It is part of the culture now. It is not a sign that anything is wrong with the Duke program.

    Comparing Duke's transfer statistics now to transfers in days past is like comparing the divorce rate of Duke grads in the last 10 years to the divorce rate 20 years prior. OH MY GOD, Duke must be doing something wrong because the divorce rate of its grads has tripled!

    BTW, the glass is WAY above half full

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    So What You're Saying Is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Perhaps we need to accept that times have changed and that more kids will transfer. Look at the number of transfers this year. We are not alone. It is part of the culture now. It is not a sign that anything is wrong with the Duke program.

    Comparing Duke's transfer statistics now to transfers in days past is like comparing the divorce rate of Duke grads in the last 10 years to the divorce rate 20 years prior. OH MY GOD, Duke must be doing something wrong because the divorce rate of its grads has tripled!

    BTW, the glass is WAY above half full
    So what you are saying is, the fact that me and my second wife just split up a month ago and we are getting a divorce it's not my fault That I didn't do anything wrong, it's really just a sign of the times. BD80, that makes me feel a lot better. Here I was getting ready to shell out big $$$$$ for therapy but looking at it from that point of view I'm actually just transfering from wife to wife, lmao!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Comparing Duke's transfer statistics now to transfers in days past is like comparing the divorce rate of Duke grads in the last 10 years to the divorce rate 20 years prior. OH MY GOD, Duke must be doing something wrong because the divorce rate of its grads has tripled!

    BTW, the glass is WAY above half full
    BTW, the divorce is actually down from 20 years ago, but I get your point.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18600304/

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    Great!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by keithg View Post
    BTW, the divorce is actually down from 20 years ago, but I get your point.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18600304/
    Great, now you've ruined all the good work DB80 did and I need counciling again. I was all set to spend my therapy money on a couple of lap dances.

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    UNC will soon have a few tranfers of their own

    With Hansbrough staying it really creates a log jam at the 4 and 5 spots for them.

    Next year they will be 5 deep at the 4/5 spot and with Hansbrough getting 35 mins a game it will leave Thompson, Stephenson, Zeller and Davis to fight over 45 mins.

    A year later they lose Hansbrough but gain the Wear twins and John Henson....meaning they will be an astonishing 7 deep at the 4/5 spot.

    Even if they red-shirt someone they still will be WAY to committed in the front court.

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    Problems, Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by dukelion View Post
    With Hansbrough staying it really creates a log jam at the 4 and 5 spots for them.

    Next year they will be 5 deep at the 4/5 spot and with Hansbrough getting 35 mins a game it will leave Thompson, Stephenson, Zeller and Davis to fight over 45 mins.

    A year later they lose Hansbrough but gain the Wear twins and John Henson....meaning they will be an astonishing 7 deep at the 4/5 spot.

    Even if they red-shirt someone they still will be WAY to committed in the front court.
    I know you posted as if to say (and you may be right) UNC will have some transfers due to having too many big men. But having watched Duke last season, when they didn't have anyone to replace Shelden with against UCONN in the Final Four, when Duke had to start Greg Newton and then knowing the trouble we are having recruiting height and beef. Well let's just say it must be a nice problem to have and it doesn't sound like match ups down low will be in Duke's favor any time soon against UNC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latta6970 View Post
    I know you posted as if to say (and you may be right) UNC will have some transfers due to having too many big men. But having watched Duke last season, when they didn't have anyone to replace Shelden with against UCONN in the Final Four, when Duke had to start Greg Newton and then knowing the trouble we are having recruiting height and beef. Well let's just say it must be a nice problem to have and it doesn't sound like match ups down low will be in Duke's favor any time soon against UNC.
    Yup their front court will be pretty solid for years but they don't get a solid wing/SG commit until 2010 (Reggie Bullock).

    2009 will be a serious down year with Hansbrough, Ginyard, Green, and Ellington all gone leaving William Graves as their top wing scorer/defender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukelion View Post
    With Hansbrough staying it really creates a log jam at the 4 and 5 spots for them.

    Next year they will be 5 deep at the 4/5 spot and with Hansbrough getting 35 mins a game it will leave Thompson, Stephenson, Zeller and Davis to fight over 45 mins.

    A year later they lose Hansbrough but gain the Wear twins and John Henson....meaning they will be an astonishing 7 deep at the 4/5 spot.

    Even if they red-shirt someone they still will be WAY to committed in the front court.
    Hmmm, not sure if I buy that they will have transfer issues, as Quentin Thomas never transferred despit being recruited over twice. Maybe they can convince kids to stay around really well, or maybe Q is just a special case. It seems like there's no precedent to suggest that they will have transfers.

    If your precedent is that we have had transfers here in Durham, I'd say that's not enough to go on. I think that Q hanging around for four years is stronger evidence that they will not have transfer problems, and that they are able to retain a deep bench of guys that could get more PT if they went elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithg View Post
    BTW, the divorce is actually down from 20 years ago, but I get your point.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18600304/
    Cool. Thanks for the link. That is really good news. In my geographic and demographic situation, it still seems epidemic, so it is good to see the trend headed in the right direction.

    The figures suggest that the Duke administration did the right thing in the seventies and really turned around that rising divorce rate of Duke graduates! Maybe we should have Coach K contact them to figure out how to curtail the transfer thing.

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