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    Huh? Duke is America's Favorite College Team?

    According to the recent Harris Poll Duke is America's favorite men's college team.
    http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.db...ATCLID=1419405

    "he Duke Blue Devils returned to the top spot in the annual Harris Poll inquiring fans favorite collegiate menís and womenís basketball teams. The menís team finished first, a spot theyíve garnered five of the last six years and in six of the 11 times the poll has been conducted since 1993, while the Duke womenís team finished tied for fourth in the poll, as well.

    The poll was conducted by Harris Interactive between March 11-18, 2008, among a nationwide sampling of 2,513 adults from the United States, 611 of which followed college basketball."

    With so many people cheering against them in every neutral venue, that's a bit hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy View Post
    According to the recent Harris Poll Duke is America's favorite men's college team.
    http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.db...ATCLID=1419405

    "he Duke Blue Devils returned to the top spot in the annual Harris Poll inquiring fans favorite collegiate men’s and women’s basketball teams. The men’s team finished first, a spot they’ve garnered five of the last six years and in six of the 11 times the poll has been conducted since 1993, while the Duke women’s team finished tied for fourth in the poll, as well.

    The poll was conducted by Harris Interactive between March 11-18, 2008, among a nationwide sampling of 2,513 adults from the United States, 611 of which followed college basketball."

    With so many people cheering against them in every neutral venue, that's a bit hard to believe.
    I don't know what their methodology was but I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I have the daily experiences to prove it, haha...

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    It's not a contradiction to be the most popular and most hated team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaDukie View Post
    It's not a contradiction to be the most popular and most hated team.
    Exactly. As I pointed out in this post, according to facebook, Duke is #2 on the favorite list and #1 on the hated list. Here are the updated standings:

    Favorite NCAAB Team Pages
    1 North Carolina Tar Heels (39,198 Fans)
    2 Duke Blue Devils (26,841 Fans)
    3 Kansas Jayhawks (20,819 Fans)
    4 Wisconsin Badgers (13,887 Fans)
    5 Kentucky Wildcats (11,590 Fans)
    6 UCLA Bruins (9,274 Fans)
    7 Michigan State Spartans (8,963 Fans)
    8 Indiana Hoosiers (8,897 Fans)
    9 Texas Longhorns (8,625 Fans)
    10 Tennessee Volunteers (8,612 Fans)

    Despised NCAAB Team Pages
    1 Duke Blue Devils (75,464 Haters)
    2 North Carolina Tar Heels (36,344 Haters)
    3 Florida Gators (10,795 Haters)
    4 Ohio State Buckeyes (8,934 Haters)
    5 Kansas Jayhawks (8,075 Haters)
    6 Indiana Hoosiers (6,217 Haters)
    7 UCLA Bruins (4,818 Haters)
    8 Texas Longhorns (4,704 Haters)
    9 Tennessee Volunteers (4,616 Haters)
    10 Kentucky Wildcats (4,601 Haters)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    According to facebook
    Not exactly a representative source of the college basketball community at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77devil View Post
    Not exactly a representative source of the college basketball community at large.
    I agree as I said in the original post: "I realize this isn't a perfect survey of the general population as it's skewed towards a younger crowd, but it gives us an idea." It's for people who chose to actually fill out a bracket via cbssportsline's application. So, mostly people who care somewhat. At least it's not a paltry sample size of only 2,500 like the Harris poll.

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    Thumbs up The Harris Poll has a large sample and it is a scientific poll ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    I agree as I said in the original post: "I realize this isn't a perfect survey of the general population as it's skewed towards a younger crowd, but it gives us an idea." It's for people who chose to actually fill out a bracket via cbssportsline's application. So, mostly people who care somewhat. At least it's not a paltry sample size of only 2,500 like the Harris poll.
    ...with the respondents chosen randomly.The results are reliable within the margin of error.Look at the other national polls to get an idea of the margin of error for the sample size.It is probably less than 5 percent + or -.The pluralities required to be most loved or most hated ,I'd suppose, are not large, given the significant number of choices available for the respondents.

    On the other hand,the Facebook participants are "self-selected",which means they were not randomly selected. Hence, the Facebook survey is not reliable,as it is not a scientific poll.Think of the process of registering one's opinion with the local t.v. station by calling in one's response on any question posed by that station.Every voter,adult, or whatever constituted the universe did not have a chance to be randomly selected.Only those who called responded--they chose to call after "self-selecting" themselves.

    Self selecting respondents (volunteers) tend to be people who have strong opinions about the matter or question about which they are registering their opinion.

    Best regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    Favorite NCAAB Team Pages
    1 North Carolina Tar Heels (39,198 Fans)
    2 Duke Blue Devils (26,841 Fans)
    3 Kansas Jayhawks (20,819 Fans)


    Despised NCAAB Team Pages
    1 Duke Blue Devils (75,464 Haters)
    2 North Carolina Tar Heels (36,344 Haters)
    3 Florida Gators (10,795 Haters)
    That seems more representative of what we see and hear at neutral site games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    Exactly. As I pointed out in this post, according to facebook, Duke is #2 on the favorite list and #1 on the hated list. Here are the updated standings:

    Favorite NCAAB Team Pages
    1 North Carolina Tar Heels (39,198 Fans)
    2 Duke Blue Devils (26,841 Fans)
    3 Kansas Jayhawks (20,819 Fans)
    4 Wisconsin Badgers (13,887 Fans)
    5 Kentucky Wildcats (11,590 Fans)
    6 UCLA Bruins (9,274 Fans)
    7 Michigan State Spartans (8,963 Fans)
    8 Indiana Hoosiers (8,897 Fans)
    9 Texas Longhorns (8,625 Fans)
    10 Tennessee Volunteers (8,612 Fans)

    Despised NCAAB Team Pages
    1 Duke Blue Devils (75,464 Haters)
    2 North Carolina Tar Heels (36,344 Haters)
    3 Florida Gators (10,795 Haters)
    4 Ohio State Buckeyes (8,934 Haters)
    5 Kansas Jayhawks (8,075 Haters)
    6 Indiana Hoosiers (6,217 Haters)
    7 UCLA Bruins (4,818 Haters)
    8 Texas Longhorns (4,704 Haters)
    9 Tennessee Volunteers (4,616 Haters)
    10 Kentucky Wildcats (4,601 Haters)
    Wow,Why are we so hated?
    Last edited by -jk; 03-26-2008 at 05:32 PM. Reason: de-ital

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    The latest from Bill Simmons

    "It's absolutely incredible how many people despise Duke and how the entire place galvanized behind Belmont at the end like it was the 1980 Olympic hockey team. If Belmont had pulled off the upset victory, there's a 25 percent chance that we'd still be there drinking and celebrating four days later."

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/...yDate=20080324

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Dat View Post
    "It's absolutely incredible how many people despise Duke and how the entire place galvanized behind Belmont at the end like it was the 1980 Olympic hockey team. If Belmont had pulled off the upset victory, there's a 25 percent chance that we'd still be there drinking and celebrating four days later."

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/...yDate=20080324
    I was going to post that quote. Glad that I read to the end of the thread first. The scary thing about the Simmons anecdote was that he was at a bar in LA (Anaheim). I knew there was a lot of hatred for Duke on the East Coast but I didn't realize that it was so pervasive on the West Coast (outside of Palo Alto at least).

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    Online gamer hatred

    You think we're hated here? My gamerid on xboxlive is "Dukedevil8181" and MAN people talk trash. It's funny because I see people online all the time with names like "kentuckywildcat" or "tarheelz" or whatnot, and nobody ever even notices. But about once every 4-5 games some guy will point out my name and go off. It usually sounds something like this

    "you go to Duke?"

    "I went to Duke"

    *uninteligible yelling* "DUKE *cursing cursity curse curse* DUKE bleepity bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep.

    usually, the sentences are grammatically butchered and vocabulary is awful. Think "youtube comments" but in actual speech.
    Duke '03
    Tent 1 '99/'00

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbyers11 View Post
    I was going to post that quote. Glad that I read to the end of the thread first. The scary thing about the Simmons anecdote was that he was at a bar in LA (Anaheim). I knew there was a lot of hatred for Duke on the East Coast but I didn't realize that it was so pervasive on the West Coast (outside of Palo Alto at least).
    I live in LA. I heard a ton of stuff about how happy people were that Duke had lost all day Saturday.

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    Intensity of the hatred is mysterious to me

    I remember when Notre Dame was a perennial power in football (yes, I am that old) and many neutrals rooted against them. As I recall they tended to run up the score, though.

    I understand a broad dislike of a team that is good for so long. Sort of like the Yankees but the intensity of the hatred for Duke seems stronger than that for the Yankees and Duke hasn't had near that level of success.

    I don't remember such intense hatred of Wooden's UCLA either and Wooden was not any nicer than Coach K.

    Cheering for Belmont I understand because everyone likes David slaying Goliath. But WVU is not particularly liked by Georgetown fans, it seems to me so the imbalance there was a bit strange, even for a fellow Big East team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudy View Post
    Cheering for Belmont I understand because everyone likes David slaying Goliath. But WVU is not particularly liked by Georgetown fans, it seems to me so the imbalance there was a bit strange, even for a fellow Big East team.
    Those were West Virginia fans.

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    The results of the two polls are not surprising because first, hate is not the opposite of love. And second, we do have a lot of bandwagon fans since we're on TV all the time, and presumably they are most responsible for Duke's spot atop the "favorite team" poll. As for why Duke is so much more hated than anyone else, it's a combination of success (and therefore lots of exposure), our status as an elite private school, and white guys (who are always the most hated Duke players). No other program has that combination, and there's a lot of subconscious psychology involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troublemaker View Post
    As for why Duke is so much more hated than anyone else, it's a combination of success (and therefore lots of exposure), our status as an elite private school, and white guys (who are always the most hated Duke players). No other program has that combination, and there's a lot of subconscious psychology involved.
    All those things are important and add to the "Duke hatred stew", but I still believe that the primary ingredient is a good dose of anti-Duke bias in the media. Many people seemingly don't want to admit this, but I'm of the opinion that we have to call a spade a spade. If you take that one spice out of the stew I guarantee you we are not hated to the degree we are now. It's by far the biggest reason, IMHO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    All those things are important and add to the "Duke hatred stew", but I still believe that the primary ingredient is a good dose of anti-Duke bias in the media. Many people seemingly don't want to admit this, but I'm of the opinion that we have to call a spade a spade. If you take that one spice out of the stew I guarantee you we are not hated to the degree we are now. It's by far the biggest reason, IMHO.

    Gary
    Honestly??

    ESPN, which is the primary source of college bball media, loves Duke.

    The poster boy of the network (Vitale) doesnt even try to disguise his love for Duke. Mike Patrick barely does. Bob Knight is obviously loves K. The only prominent person on ESPN who doesnt profess their love for Duke is Bilas, but we all know where his heart is.

    Then you look around at CBS/SI/Other networks and its not nearly as noticeable. But you still find Seth Davis, a Duke grad. Gman, who announced the whole ACC tourney - Duke. Bucky Waters - Duke...Packer hates everyone. Raftery doesnt hate anyone.


    I'm not keeping score, but I doubt you can find another school w/ as many fans in the media. If anything Duke is the media favorite, not the enemy... Also, follow the money

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    Quote Originally Posted by coastal1 View Post
    Honestly??

    ESPN, which is the primary source of college bball media, loves Duke.

    The poster boy of the network (Vitale) doesnt even try to disguise his love for Duke. Mike Patrick barely does. Bob Knight is obviously loves K. The only prominent person on ESPN who doesnt profess their love for Duke is Bilas, but we all know where his heart is.

    Then you look around at CBS/SI/Other networks and its not nearly as noticeable. But you still find Seth Davis, a Duke grad. Gman, who announced the whole ACC tourney - Duke. Bucky Waters - Duke...Packer hates everyone. Raftery doesnt hate anyone.


    I'm not keeping score, but I doubt you can find another school w/ as many fans in the media. If anything Duke is the media favorite, not the enemy... Also, follow the money
    Oh my. I respectfully yet strongly agree to disagree with you on this one. ESPN loves the money Duke makes for them, but the studio guys and many of the commentators do NOT love Duke. Using Vitale isn't a good example of a guy that loves Duke because he loves everyone! Patrick is a chameleon who blends in with whoever he's working with. And Bob Knight just started, so let's leave him out of the equation since I'm talking about a cumulative effect that's been going on for a good 7 years now.

    I'm not going to go down the list with you on each commentator. Just read the DBR article linked after last year's loss to VCU and you'll get a sense for what I'm talking about. I doubt it's too hard of a find, and it communicates my point beautifully.


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