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    Kelvin Sampson Suspended

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3243325

    maybe somebody should just keep Kelvin Sampson away from telephones...

    any bets on how long it takes somebody to point out that this would never have happened with Bob Knight?
    I'm giving an over/under of 2.5 posts...

    of course wouldn't it be nice if Indiana could find a coach that just didn't embarrass the program and still won games?

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    This would never have happened with Bob Knight... there. haha

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    One would think that a coach who had suffered NCAA sanctions would never be hired by a second or third school -- yet it happens all the time. Makes one wonder about the integrity of certain colleges/universities. Anybody want to hire the Herricks?

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    Rmk

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    This would never have happened with Bob Knight... there. haha
    Is it a coincidence that he became available just as it becomes public that IU may have reason to part ways with its bb coach?

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    I doubt that would happen

    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    Is it a coincidence that he became available just as it becomes public that IU may have reason to part ways with its bb coach?

    I can't imagine Indiana offering Knight the job again. It would be even less likely, in my opinion, for Knight to accept. I think there's an awful lot of bad feelings remaining in that situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    This would never have happened with Bob Knight... there. haha
    yeah, he would have hit 'em with the phone...haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    This would never have happened with Mike Davis... there. haha
    Variety is the spice of life.

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    I'm glad we never even interviewed Rick Neuheisel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowfax336 View Post
    maybe somebody should just keep Kelvin Sampson away from telephones...
    What in the world does he have to talk to them about? I heard on ESPN Radio that it was over 500 phone calls at OU that he was caught for. 500 phone calls!?! What is so important that you need to make over 500 calls?

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    Bob Knight would sooner have Myles Brand kick him in the crotch (not figuratively this time) than he go back to Indiana...

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    Myles Brand

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueintheFace View Post
    Bob Knight would sooner have Myles Brand kick him in the crotch (not figuratively this time) than he go back to Indiana...
    Didn't he make a motion back in like 01 to get rid of intercollegiate athletic competition?

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    plumlee

    Quote Originally Posted by dynastydefender View Post
    Didn't he make a motion back in like 01 to get rid of intercollegiate athletic competition?
    this can't hurt us with plumlee if IU was one of his top choices. I am not out there hoping other schools get in trouble but since Sampson dug his own hole... Wasn't Plumlee looking at IU?

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    Gut check time for IU. Any guts at all and this clown is gone by the weekend.

    Problem is, this is IU's best team since 02 at the absolute minimum (probably longer). Legitimate Final 4 threat. They'll probably try and drag it out under the auspices of "due process" to see how far they can ride Gordon before he goes pro.

    I remember Knight suspending Alford for the Kentucky game over a charity calendar he posed for. Hard to see Kelvin doing something like that.

    IU basketball has fallen a long, long way. Hope Kelvin's ready for his remaining trips on the road this year. Izzone will be particularly brutal. College basketball needs this guy gone.

    dukemsu

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    Rumor is Sampson is gone on Friday. Indiana wants him gone before he takes this talented team deep and has a harder time firing him. (Doesn't make sense to me. cheating is cheating... but that's the rumor).

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    I agree this is a very, very good IU team, but there is no excuse in holding on to Sampson (except, of course, PC!). If they could dump the best coach, they can certainly dump a cheater.
    Last edited by mgtr; 02-14-2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason: Misspelled word

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukemsu View Post
    Gut check time for IU. Any guts at all and this clown is gone by the weekend.

    Problem is, this is IU's best team since 02 at the absolute minimum (probably longer). Legitimate Final 4 threat. They'll probably try and drag it out under the auspices of "due process" to see how far they can ride Gordon before he goes pro.

    I remember Knight suspending Alford for the Kentucky game over a charity calendar he posed for. Hard to see Kelvin doing something like that.

    IU basketball has fallen a long, long way. Hope Kelvin's ready for his remaining trips on the road this year. Izzone will be particularly brutal. College basketball needs this guy gone.

    dukemsu
    why are they a legitimate final 4 threat? until they beat ohio st on sunday, they had not beaten an rpi top 50 team. now they have a win against bubble ohio state and illinois st just crept into the top 50 at 49. they are a paper tiger.

    i just don't get why sampson would risk his entire career over telephone calls. are they that critical in recruiting? especially when they are kind of creepy 3-way calls. it makes you wonder what went on to get gordon pried away from illinois.

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    Excessive phone calls don't have a shock and awe effect to me

    A colleague and friend of mine was friends at Michigan with some of the Wolverine players during the dirty years. They were getting free SUVs, groceries, and on and on for years, and it was pretty open and notorious for a long time before it all came crumbling down. To paraphrase Fletch, you din't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure it out. Heck, you didn't even have to be Larry Holmes. Stuff like that resonates with me a lot more than too many phone calls, which seems more cheesy than anything else. I think the NCAA could use fewer technical rules but be more aggressive on fundamental ones like payoffs and miniscule academic progress rates.

    That being said, lying to the university and the NCAA is more significant. This could be a case of the cover-up being worse than the crime.

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    Shock and awe

    How about the t-shirt and the drawstring bag the IU assistant coach gave a recruit???? That's about the same as the Escalade the UM player's mom "found".

    The real issue for me is that Sampson did these things while on probabation and that he lied about it. It sounds like they have him nailed:

    http://www.indystar.com/assets/pdf/BG99679213.PDF

    Sampson's defense is that the transgressions were not intentional. He's toast.

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    Is the penalty from the NCAA going to be tougher because this is Sampson's second offense? For IU, this is the first time they've had any major problems in forever. Yet, I think because of Sampson's recent history, that is going to hurt them a lot. I guess that's the risk you take in hiring someone with baggage.

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    Why is Sampson such an idiot? And obvious question with some obvious answers, I know, but he's a pretty decent coach and a good recruiter (wouldn't that many phone calls drive recruits crazy?)
    And to have the prestige of IU in his grasp and yet boot it away for what?
    Pitiful.

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