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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by feldspar View Post
    Coach K has developed the best...yes THE best...bench in the country, and develops the best gameplans for overcoming his team's weaknesses, as has been demonstrated against Maryland and UNC as the most recent examples.
    I agree with everything but this.. Tennessee has an amazing bench. In their 76-71 win over Miss. State they played 10 guys with 10+ minutes. In the loss to Kentucky 8 guys played 14+ mins. In the 93-86 win over Bama 8 guys played 13+ mins. I could keep going. I believe they also get 25+ PPG from their bench as well. If not 30+(Too lazy to add it up).

    I agree Duke is deep, and right up there. Tennesse however consistently played 8 deep in close games and goes 10 deep in blowouts(Duke could do that as well). Duke only guys about 7 deep. You could also add KU and Memphis into the mix.

    Just my opinion, but hard to argue with the amount of playing time is distributed to their bench.

  2. #22
    Oh wait, isn't this the same coach that can't "recruit" like he used to? He seems to know what he's doing.

    I can't believe how well he gets this team prepared for each and every game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feldspar View Post
    I'm not really sure how Scott Drew fits into the equation, other than the fact that Baylor was a sub-.500 team last year (by one game). They're now just third in the Big 12 (granted there's some stiff competition, but no more than the ACC), their RPI is a pedestrian 68, with a SOS ranked 68th.
    I respectfully disagree with you on this. Look at where this program was a few years ago. Considering the fact that their program was pretty much dead in the water, Scott Drew's job in rebuilding this program in a fairly short period of time is pretty darn close to miraculous. Granted, Baylor isn't as good as Duke this year, but I have a great deal of respect for what Scott Drew has accomplished. Baylor is MUCH better than anyone would've predicted this year, which should certainly put Scott Drew into the mix for COY. JMO

    edit: Wow; I'm Jason Williams now! I think I'll stop posting for a while and savor my new status. :-)
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  4. #24

    N & O mid-season All-ACC

    At least with respect to ACC COY, News & Observer agrees with OP.

    All-ACC

    Tyler Hansbrough, UNC: You can’t blame Psycho T for the Heels’ two ACC losses. He finished with 28 and 18 against Duke and 17 and 14 against Maryland. His stats ? the league’s leader in scoring and rebounding ? match his well-documented intensity. He also gets bonus points for being able to take a hit.

    DeMarcus Nelson, Duke: Miscast as a shooter on previous Duke squads, the senior is thriving in Duke’s new and improved offense which allows the senior to create with dribble penetration. His on-the-ball defense and leadership have also been impeccable.

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    Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:25:50 +0000___
    Source: http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

    Just got this email which ought to get a rise out of lots of people, not what's quoted above but the rest in the link.

  5. #25
    Davis and K should be the top 2 at this point in the season. I personally think Davis will win it over K, and if Drake doesnt lose any more games before the tourny (and they face butler in the bracketbusters) its hard to disagree...they went from a cruddy Valley team to top dog in the first year of this guy as coach.

    Whereas in the mind of the voters, last year was an abberation for K, and we're still duke.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by loran16 View Post
    Davis and K should be the top 2 at this point in the season. I personally think Davis will win it over K, and if Drake doesnt lose any more games before the tourny (and they face butler in the bracketbusters) its hard to disagree...they went from a cruddy Valley team to top dog in the first year of this guy as coach.

    Whereas in the mind of the voters, last year was an abberation for K, and we're still duke.
    I don't think I agree. (My mind is not set.) I think K will get a lot of love on the COY issue. The perceived willingness to "learn", "adjusting style", significant improvement over last year while blending in 3 freshmen and his success with Team USA. I used a lot of quotation marks because I don't find the "changes" in K to be real. He has always adjusted his style to his personnel. If there is one change, it is in running the break with the wings breaking to the corners rather than crossing under the basket.

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    Bo Ryan is already getting some COY love, particularly from Andy Katz. Wisconsin was picked as a consensus number 40 preseason, after losing their two stars from last year. They're currently ranked 8th in both polls, and lead the country in scoring defense. If they beat Purdue today, I don't see them going any worse than 13-3 in the Big Ten.

    Todd Lickliter, BTW, is coaching at Iowa now.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    I don't think I agree. (My mind is not set.) I think K will get a lot of love on the COY issue. The perceived willingness to "learn", "adjusting style", significant improvement over last year while blending in 3 freshmen and his success with Team USA. I used a lot of quotation marks because I don't find the "changes" in K to be real. He has always adjusted his style to his personnel. If there is one change, it is in running the break with the wings breaking to the corners rather than crossing under the basket.
    I mean here's the comparison.

    Davis took a team that has never been traditionally competing in the Valley (12-19 2 years ago, 17-15 last year) and has made it a nationally ranked top team. If they beat butler they become vindicated, and then if they close out the Valley with only say 1 loss (they're undefeated at that point), it looks pretty impressive for the coach, especially at an institution not known for top prospects.

    Now with K, the question is this...is this team's results mostly his coaching? Or did the team underperform last year and gain a few new clutch additions. One could easily argue that while K's adapting the Dantoni/Phoenix system has been a key change, that he has had such great recruits that he probably could be close to as successful without it. Moreover, we're still duke, which makes us expected to succeed every year.

    Davis' success with Drake in his first year is incredible, and i think that swings it his way at the current point.

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    Whaaaa? Nobody's giving Majerus any love?

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    Coach of the Year

    Mike Patrick and Dickie V. mentioned several times last night that Gary Williams was a strong candidate for ACC Coach of the Year. And I agree, after Maryland's horrendous start they've really turned things around nicely. But I can't for the life of me figure out why Coach K (who was not mentioned) isn't the leading candidate not just in the ACC, but nationally. No one -- certainly not me, and I'm an eternal optimist -- thought Duke would be as good as they've been this year. They were supposed to be too short, too inexperienced, have too much of a leadership vacuum, etc. A Top 20 team, probably yes; a Top 10 team, maybe; a Top 5 team, no way.

    Frankly, I think this may be Coach K's finest year in terms of value added. If any other coach led this team to these results, he'd be the runaway candidate. This year he may just fall victim to the assumption that Duke can never really outperform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauderdevil View Post
    Mike Patrick and Dickie V. mentioned several times last night that Gary Williams was a strong candidate for ACC Coach of the Year. And I agree, after Maryland's horrendous start they've really turned things around nicely. But I can't for the life of me figure out why Coach K (who was not mentioned) isn't the leading candidate not just in the ACC, but nationally. No one -- certainly not me, and I'm an eternal optimist -- thought Duke would be as good as they've been this year. They were supposed to be too short, too inexperienced, have too much of a leadership vacuum, etc. A Top 20 team, probably yes; a Top 10 team, maybe; a Top 5 team, no way.

    Frankly, I think this may be Coach K's finest year in terms of value added. If any other coach led this team to these results, he'd be the runaway candidate. This year he may just fall victim to the assumption that Duke can never really outperform.
    Once you're the generally-accepted-best-in-the-business, it's hard to be better than that. (Dean Smith had the same problem.)

    Unreasonable expectations can be difficult to overcome.

    -jk

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    FWIW, the ACC Coach of the Year in 1992 was Florida State's Pat Kennedy. You may recall that Duke had a fair season that year. But voters for this award tend to reward coaches whose program's do better than expected not coaches who sustain excellence.

    That said, I wonder how much amnesia we're going to see in COY voting. Are voters going to forget that Duke started the national polls in the mid-teens amongst critics who claimed that the game had passed K by and the program was in decline?

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    But voters for this award tend to reward coaches whose program's do better than expected not coaches who sustain excellence.
    But I kinda like that better. We get plenty of praise and accolades and I am fine giving COY the year awards to teams that are expected to do poorly and "Rise from the ashes" or whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    That said, I wonder how much amnesia we're going to see in COY voting. Are voters going to forget that Duke started the national polls in the mid-teens amongst critics who claimed that the game had passed K by and the program was in decline?
    How big of a jump is that really from 15 to 2? We are outperforming expectations, but its not like people thought we shouldn't even be ranked...

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    At least one proponent...

    Andy Katz mentioned that Coach K should be considered--pointing out that the best coaches are often overlooked. About 2/3 of the way into the Andy Katz news and notes video interview linked on this page:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=150

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    Just for the sake of argument, shouldn't Gary Williams be held just as accountable for Maryland's horrendous start as their mid-season "resurgence"?

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    If Oliver Purnell could somehow recall several Clemson free throw (heaves) attempts, it could verily add his name to the list.

    Then again, there's that little thing that happened to them against Charlotte.

  17. #37
    If we win out, or only lose one more game during the regular season, I find it hard to believe that Coach K won't be COY.

    Barring that, I suppose every candidate has his strong and weak points. As pointed out about Gary Williams, he gets credit for Maryland's turnaround, but has to share the blame for their faltering out of the gate.

    Coach K has exceeded expectations to this point, but has, I think, more McDonald's AAs than anyone in the conference, if not the nation, so Duke should be good.

    Purnell has done a good job, but Clemson is still erratic.

    Wake Forest doesn't have a glittering record, but considering their youth and the death of Skip Prosser, I think Dino Gaudio deserves some consideration at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by killerleft View Post
    Just for the sake of argument, shouldn't Gary Williams be held just as accountable for Maryland's horrendous start as their mid-season "resurgence"?
    Nope. And not for the atrocious academic record, either. After all, for a while there he was "the Williams who won a national championship" . . .

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