A few months ago, I recall reading a posting in which Jason Evans pontificated that this year's Ohio State could be as big a favorite as Duke was in '99 in the tournament. (Jason, my apologies if I mischaracterized your comments...please feel free to correct me.) Maybe it's because there seem to be more top echelon teams this year (UNC, Georgetown, Texas, Florida, Kansas, UCLA) as compared to '99, when it seemed like it was Duke vs. the world (although, IIRC, UConn spent a significant portion of the season as #1), but I don't think Ohio State's failure to win the torurnament would be viewed as anything more than perhaps a mild upset.
Does anyone believe this is the OSU Invitational like it was the Duke Invitational in '99? Certainly, it doesn't seem like that in the media.
Cameron Crazies Do Not Storm The Court
Ooops...I had to correct the title.
Cameron Crazies Do Not Storm The Court
I think they will go to FinalFour because they have a cupcake walk to get there IMO. But I don't see them winning it all.
The only evidence I need to refute OSU's dominance is that they struggled to beat Penn State TWICE this season. Those games were from mid-February on, so you can't tell me it was early in the season. In the first game Penn State had a chance to win at the end, and Penn State isn't even close to being as good as a 16 seed. It seems like Ohio State has let teams hang around before pulling away late. Is it possible that their first round game will be close for a while? I think they have too much talent not to pull away eventually, but maybe it'll be interesting for a little while.
Put this year's OSU team against the '99 team and have them play 50 games, I don't think OSU wins a single game. Take a look back at the margin of victory for that '99 Duke team. Only team to ever go 16-0 in the ACC, and most of the games weren't even close...
umm the 99 team would absolutely kill any team in the country from this year.
Duke 99 beats Uconn 99 42/50
and beats SJU and MSU 48/50
and beats any current team at least 40/50, and outside the top seeds, probably closer to 50/50.
They were great.
The reason we lost that game is because a couple of guys on the team had a UConn 06 attitude and went out partying late the night before the game. They didn't take it seriously.
You take Duke '99 and give them the heart and passion of Duke '01, and you've got a team that beats anyone in that year's field or this year's 999 out of 1000.
We didn't just win a lot, we killed EVERYONE. Even the games against UNC were largely laughers (we won by 12, 22, and 23 points in the 3 contests). We were challenged maybe 3 or 4 times all year until the Final Four.
A lot of folks think that the lack of any real competition really hurt us when it came to the close game with UConn.
-Jason "I do agree that we would win 4 of 5 or probably more like 6 out of every 7 games against UConn that year" Evans
I love that 99 team and it should have won the national championship but to suggest it would have beaten uconn/sju/msu a combined 90 out of 100 that year is going too far. We had to battle to beat msu twice. Two tight games that we barely won hardly suggests we would have a 98 percent success rate against them. We barely beat st. john's, in overtime. We lost to uconn. That's a 75 percent success rate in games actually played.
I expected Duke 99 to win it all and still feel that should have happened but we lost that year to the only team that I feared going into the tournament. That uconn team was wrongly overlooked that year. It was no fluke they beat us in a 1-shot deal, painful as it was.
Duke 99 was a young team that was great in 99 but certainly not some all-time great team. If the sophomores had stayed together two more years, THEN we're talking about an all-time great team.
There's a lot of "and Bill Werber served the beer" mentality in this thread (from throaty's handy pocket reference), except more like "and Nan Keohane didn't serve".
Last edited by Troublemaker; 03-14-2007 at 09:38 AM.
Given the way we destroyed our competition, the conversations we had at the time didn't center around which other NCAA teams could give us a hard time, but rather whether Duke '99 could beat the Clippers. Ironically, they now ARE the Clippers. Do you really think that there is a single team in the NCAA this year who belongs in any conversation about beating any of the pro teams? It didn't feel wrong to compare Duke '99 to the worst pro team.
you are posting a lot (almost 8/day), but I don't recall seeing your handle over the past decade. From my limited point of view, it is cool to disagree, but you might want to demonstrate some basketball knowledge before making fairly unsubstantiated statements (particularly if you are going to go up against one of the primo posters of all time, Mr Evans). Just being contrarian doesn't make you right.