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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandinmyshoes View Post
    Ordinarily if UNC is beating a team comfortably, I just find something else to watch. But that half was hypnotic, in a macabre way. I just kept watching to see how bad it could actually get for State.
    I agree, it was like a train wreck and I just couldn't look away.

  2. #22
    Does Lowe have the jacket from last year on? Maybe that is what is missing?

    Where'd all the Kleenex go?

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by YmoBeThere View Post
    I haven't seen State play yet this year(maybe I'll watch the second half but Vandy-Kentucky is on at 1:30 and I am also a Vandy alum for my masters), but I still remember Costner and McCauley schooling us at the end of last year. I know Chapee Heeelll is a different team, but have they regressed from their form at the end of last year?
    Are you asking if UNC has regressed from last year? From what I've seen of them this year I'd say no. They may not be as deep but they seem to be more efficient. Whatever they were missing in Brandon Wright, Danny Green and especially Wayne Ellington have stepped up.

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    turn the channel

    it hurts to watch this game...but watching it doesn't make me fear unc but realize just how bad state this year. its not just pg problems either. i don't really have much faith in el sid's coaching ability. all that being said, I feel like we have the best shot of beating carolina this year and we will.....gthc!

  5. #25
    More if State has regressed...rather than UNC.

    Where'd all the Kleenex go?

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by YmoBeThere View Post
    More if State has regressed...rather than UNC.
    Oh, in that case, yes...emphatically yes.

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    1:14

    the subs finally get to come in hopefully they can hang on to the 31 point lead

  8. #28
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    Red Jacket

    Quote Originally Posted by YmoBeThere View Post
    Does Lowe have the jacket from last year on? Maybe that is what is missing?
    He was wearing it. Didn't help. He needs to find a new good luck charm -- someone who can score.
    Ozzie, your paradigm of optimism!

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    I just cannot believe how unprepared and dis-interested State came out in this game. Yes unc is the best team in the conference, by a wide margin, but to simply be blown away in the first half by an ACC rival like that was simply inexcusable. It's one thing to go completely cold shooting and miss every single shot in the lane, but it's even worse allowing Carolina to have easy uncontested shots in the lane almost every trip down the floor. This was a truly pathetic performance. It was even worse defensively than it was offensively. If I put on one of those pansy colored jersey's I could have scored too today.

    There is no way State puts forth this kind of sorry effort when they play us. UNC has a great team, there is no question. But this game was more of a reflection of State's lack of effort than Carolina's power as a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncwdevil View Post
    From the DBR ACC Roundup on this game:

    "It should be a great game, and one thing that Sidney Lowe may have learned from Jim Valvano is how to pump emotions, or at least the emotions that surround big games (he may have a way to go in mastering the more mundane emotions)."

    Couldn't be more wrong. It is a terrible game and State looks incredibly uninspired and without emotion. Pathetic.
    Chris Corchiani was on the radio yesterday with David Glenn on 850thebuzz. He commented that for the big games vs. Duke and carolina, Valvano didn't think big speeches were needed, just saying something like "let's go get these guys". It was for other games that he gave emotional speeches to pump up his guys.

    Something for State fans to start pondering: was today's drubbing due to lack of playing talent, lack of coaching talent, both or just an anomalous aberration? I think it is a combination of 1 and 4, and being without their starting point guard didn't help.
    Ozzie, your paradigm of optimism!

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  11. #31
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    What happened?

    The game which just ended was not like any previous NCSU - UNC game I can remember. I was struck by the flat emotions displayed by the team and by Sydney Lowe. Never seen Sydney so flat.... Jay Bilas commented that he thought that there was some sort of problem within the team, that they didn't seem to like each other very much... lack of trust.

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    Brandon Costner

    I went to the game - first time I've seen NCSU this year. Costner looked overweight, sluggish and unhappy. He really appeared to sulk and have a bad attitude. Not sure what is going on there.

    Besides that, NCSU has no quality point guard play and got pushed into bad situations and bad passes, even with UNC's mediocre D.

    UNC looked fine but they really didnt need to play hard today, so they were on cruise control for the most part.

    I really hate Carolina fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post

    I really hate Carolina fans.
    Did you not know there would be any in the Dean Dome?

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    For those of you who rag on Greg Paulus, State is what a team looks like when they really don't have a point guard.

    And yes, there do seem to be some co-existence problems. I freely confess that I thought Costner had All-America potential before the start of the season but he looks like he would rather be anywhere else right now.

    Still, we've all seen teams that have had their doors blown off and come back to thrive. But Lowe is going to have to do one heck of coaching job to turn this ship around.

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    You guys are so lost. Don't you know NC State is going to go undefeated the rest of the year? Fells predicted they would only have four losses all year, and this was their fourth.

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    Difficult Situation

    First and foremost, I would like to state that there is no excuse for a team to play so flat against their biggest rival. State should be ashamed.

    Still.........

    That has got to be a hard situation at NCSU in the post, chemistry wise. Costner and McCauley ended the year on an upswing. They were playing well and had some big games. By all rights, they should have been looking toward this year thinking that they were going to be BMOCs. I bet each one thought they would be THE focal point of the O, but were willing to coexist.

    Instead, an incoming frosh steals the headlines, PT, and SPG. The kicker is that the kid, JJ Hickson, is better than either McCauley or Costner. Significantly better. Bigger, faster, stronger, better jumper, etc. So the two returnees go from being ascendant stars to sidekicks.

    I am not saying that they are handling it well. They most definitely are not handling it well. I am just saying that is a hard situation for anyone. Honestly, I don't recall ever seeing such a situation at Duke, but I am too young to remember K's early classes. Still, I don't think any holdovers were expecting to be stars only to be supplanted. I doubt I would handle that well, and, as it has been stated on this board repeatedly, these are college kids we are talking about.

    Also, some people did see this comming. I thought Atsur would be a huge loss. This team needs a steadying influence at the PG, desparately. That ain't happening. This team might actually benefit from losing its best player, when Hickson goes pro this year. Not anything on him necessarily, but the team doesn't seem to be adjusting to him well.

    The preceeding should not be taken to mean that one and dones are poison to chemistry and should be avoided. It is up to a coach to integrate superior talents and make sure EVERYONE deals with it. Lowe is an example of how failing to do this can kill a team.

    Patrick Yates

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    running up the score

    Quote Originally Posted by bbar7502 View Post
    the subs finally get to come in hopefully they can hang on to the 31 point lead
    I've never been one to rag on coaches for piling it on, but over the years we've had to put up with numerous visits from our UNC friends complaining about Coach K not calling off the dogs -- one, I believe, earlier this year when the invader didn't seem to realize that Patrick Davidson is the team's only available walk-on (since K is trying to redshirt Steve Johnson).

    Anyway, this is a game to remember the next time that happens ... with three minutes left, Roy had all five starters in with a 31-point lead. He finally got Hansbrough out, replacing him with top frontcourt reserve Alex Stepheson, but left that unit -- four starters and a sixth man -- on the floor until just over a minute left when Williams finally decided that the game was safe and cleared his bench.

    Again, I don't have a problem with him doing that -- it's the other team's job to stop you from running it up. My only point is I didn't want to hear any more c$#p from their fans complaining about K's substitutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    I've never been one to rag on coaches for piling it on, but over the years we've had to put up with numerous visits from our UNC friends complaining about Coach K not calling off the dogs -- one, I believe, earlier this year when the invader didn't seem to realize that Patrick Davidson is the team's only available walk-on (since K is trying to redshirt Steve Johnson).

    Anyway, this is a game to remember the next time that happens ... with three minutes left, Roy had all five starters in with a 31-point lead. He finally got Hansbrough out, replacing him with top frontcourt reserve Alex Stepheson, but left that unit -- four starters and a sixth man -- on the floor until just over a minute left when Williams finally decided that the game was safe and cleared his bench.

    Again, I don't have a problem with him doing that -- it's the other team's job to stop you from running it up. My only point is I didn't want to hear any more c$#p from their fans complaining about K's substitutions.
    i completely agree that what goes around comes around and you shouldn't keep your starters in until the bitter end of complete blow-outs. however, just because unc did it today doesn't make it any better when k left redick in up by 25 at halftime in cis to fire 3s for almost the entire 2nd half. unfortunately, that happened too many times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukie8 View Post
    i completely agree that what goes around comes around and you shouldn't keep your starters in until the bitter end of complete blow-outs. however, just because unc did it today doesn't make it any better when k left redick in up by 25 at halftime in cis to fire 3s for almost the entire 2nd half. unfortunately, that happened too many times.
    How many times?
    The only thing worse than getting older is the alternative.

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    "one, I believe, earlier this year when the invader didn't seem to realize that Patrick Davidson is the team's only available walk-on (since K is trying to redshirt Steve Johnson)."

    Jordan, not Patrick.

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