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    Vick gets 23 months in jail


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    Not nearly enough if you ask me!

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    Two years is a long time to be away from the game of football. Especially for a quarterback who's so dependent on using his legs to generate his offense. How old would he be before he could play in the NFL again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugadevil View Post
    Two years is a long time to be away from the game of football. Especially for a quarterback who's so dependent on using his legs to generate his offense. How old would he be before he could play in the NFL again?
    I think he'll be 29 when he gets out of jail. And, when you count this year, he will have missed just about 3 seasons of football...a LONG absence from the game.

    I would comment on whether I feel his sentence was too harsh or not, but that would be more appropriate for the PP board.
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    Michael Vick sentence

    Just shy of two years in the slammer, with three years' probation after that. The judge found that he had not fully accepted responsibility, especially after he failed an October polygraph test regarding his denial of direct involvement in killing dogs:

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...ge_tab_newstab

    This means Vick definitely won't play in the NFL in 2008 or 2009. At the earliest, he'd be set to return to the field in 2010, when he will be 29 and coming off a 3-year layoff.

    Does he ever play in the NFL again (I fully expect for at least a CFL or Arena League team to give him a shot...damn, he'd actually be a blast to watch in Arena League)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Does he ever play in the NFL again?
    I hope not.

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    What a FUBAR, sad shame.

    I believe the harshest punishment for Vick is going to be the pain of regret he's going to have to fight for the rest of his life.

    Here's hoping he serves his time, comes out, and does some positive things.

    -EarlJam

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Just shy of two years in the slammer, with three years' probation after that. The judge found that he had not fully accepted responsibility, especially after he failed an October polygraph test regarding his denial of direct involvement in killing dogs:

    http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...ge_tab_newstab

    This means Vick definitely won't play in the NFL in 2008 or 2009. At the earliest, he'd be set to return to the field in 2010, when he will be 29 and coming off a 3-year layoff.

    Does he ever play in the NFL again (I fully expect for at least a CFL or Arena League team to give him a shot...damn, he'd actually be a blast to watch in Arena League)?
    He failed a polygraph test, wow! That must mean he lied. Oops, polygraph test results are inadmissible in court to prove such matters because they are not reliable, at least if you lend any credence to SCIENCE.

    The FBI, with complicity of US Attorneys, for years have been allowing state and local prosecutors to use FBI administered lead-content tests in bullets to provide forensic evidence that has sent countless, as many as 2500 people to the slammer when the US Attorneys themselves were constrained against using them because the National Academy of Science said that the "science" underlying such tests was not real "science." The US Attorneys and FBI kept that little factoid from the public, and more importantly from defense counsel.

    We all know from watching TV that there is no science underlying polyograph tests sufficient to make them probabitive of anything in ascertaining guilt or innocence.

    Hudson's reliance on such voodoo to increase the sentencing is bogus. He just weighed the piles of letters. Thousands from dog lovers, a few from people who knew Vick.

    Hudson's claim to fame as a prosecutor was in protecting the Republic against Porn. Now, it's to nab the "head" of a dog fighting outfit.

    How's the war on terrorism going, what happened to those interrogation taps, and where have the billions of dollars that have been pilfered from the war effort, most of it from firms with offices in Virginia, gone? Don't ask Henry and the US Attorney in Virginia, they got bigger fish to fry.

    For those of you who feel the sentence too lenient, not to worry. There is a second prosecution to come. The state judge will not have to rely on no bad-science polygraph to find that Vick lied to up his sentence. He'll just rely on the oh so reliable reasoning of Henry Hudson.

    Do you know how many people of color are in jail for drug related offenses not implicating an act of violence are in jail today as compared with when the war on drugs began when Henry Hudson was the US Attorney in Va? You should!

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    I made no implication that the polygraph was unassailable. If you read the article, however, you would know that at the end of the session, Vick broke down and fully admitted to killing dogs and his accused level of involvement in the dogfighting ring.
    I fully share your outrage about non-violent drug convictions, misguided prosecutors, etc., but that is not at all germane to this thread, and I'm not biting. I asked about Michael Vick, not war on terror conspiracy theories. As far as I'm concerned, multimillionaires who kill dogs and end up in jail had it coming.
    Take your rant to the PPB, please.

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    How much actual time will he serve with good behavior and any thing else that gives time off his sentence??

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    Keep in mind that Roger Goodell still has to reinstate Vick before he can play in the NFL again. I think that Goodell is likely to keep Vick suspended for an additional year after he's released from prison. So, if he spends the 2008 and 2009 seasons in prison, and the 2010 season on suspension from the league, Vick won't see the field again until 2011.

    Can he come back? Not as a quarterback. Consider how little progress Vick made as a passer (accuracy, reading defenses, etc.) when he was a full-time NFL QB for 6 years. In prison he won't have passing coaches, game film, and practice to help keep him sharp, let alone improve his game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbonelson View Post
    How much actual time will he serve with good behavior and any thing else that gives time off his sentence??
    I read somewhere that the standard is 85% of the sentence, barring misconduct in the slammer. That works out to about 19 months and 16-17 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    I made no implication that the polygraph was unassailable. If you read the article, however, you would know that at the end of the session, Vick broke down and fully admitted to killing dogs and his accused level of involvement in the dogfighting ring.
    I fully share your outrage about non-violent drug convictions, misguided prosecutors, etc., but that is not at all germane to this thread, and I'm not biting. I asked about Michael Vick, not war on terror conspiracy theories. As far as I'm concerned, multimillionaires who kill dogs and end up in jail had it coming.
    Take your rant to the PPB, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    I made no implication that the polygraph was unassailable. If you read the article, however, you would know that at the end of the session, Vick broke down and fully admitted to killing dogs and his accused level of involvement in the dogfighting ring.
    I fully share your outrage about non-violent drug convictions, misguided prosecutors, etc., but that is not at all germane to this thread, and I'm not biting. I asked about Michael Vick, not war on terror conspiracy theories. As far as I'm concerned, multimillionaires who kill dogs and end up in jail had it coming.
    Take your rant to the PPB, please.
    Ditto.

    Vick didn't just fail the lie-detector test. He failed it when he still denied taking part in the dog killings. Then, later and separately, he admitted to the brutality - showing that he was in fact lying when he took the test.

    Also, he failed his drug test during the pre-sentencing period. How hard can it be to lay off the weed WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE GETTING TESTED?!? This also paid a part in the sentence (which is still less than half the maximum allowable.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockymtn devil View Post
    Keep in mind that Roger Goodell still has to reinstate Vick before he can play in the NFL again. I think that Goodell is likely to keep Vick suspended for an additional year after he's released from prison. So, if he spends the 2008 and 2009 seasons in prison, and the 2010 season on suspension from the league, Vick won't see the field again until 2011.

    Can he come back? Not as a quarterback. Consider how little progress Vick made as a passer (accuracy, reading defenses, etc.) when he was a full-time NFL QB for 6 years. In prison he won't have passing coaches, game film, and practice to help keep him sharp, let alone improve his game.
    Absolutly agree. With the way Goodell has treated other players (Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson) he will not be leniant with Vick. Remember back in May or so when Vick had a meeting with Goodell and told him he was completly innocent? Goodell will remember this and not like it at all. Agreed 2011 at earliest.

    Also agree he won't be playing QB. Can see him as KR/PR and possibly as a tailback for screens and sweeps. He won't be running between the tackles. You could run alot of trick plays with him like reverse passes or double passes. If he wants to play QB hes gonna have to go to Canada .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben63 View Post
    Can see him as KR/PR and possibly as a tailback for screens and sweeps.
    Oooh, good point. Now, to get the fair catch abolished before 2011...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockymtn devil View Post
    In prison he won't have passing coaches, game film, and practice to help keep him sharp, let alone improve his game.

    That's true but I doubt it'll matter...he showed no interest in any of those things before he was suspended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    I made no implication that the polygraph was unassailable. If you read the article, however, you would know that at the end of the session, Vick broke down and fully admitted to killing dogs and his accused level of involvement in the dogfighting ring.
    I fully share your outrage about non-violent drug convictions, misguided prosecutors, etc., but that is not at all germane to this thread, and I'm not biting. I asked about Michael Vick, not war on terror conspiracy theories. As far as I'm concerned, multimillionaires who kill dogs and end up in jail had it coming.
    Take your rant to the PPB, please.
    As far as I understand, Michael Vick broke down, and told the prosecutors what they wanted to hear, because, if they were not satisfied, they were going to prosecute him under RICO, which would have sent him away, if convicted, for most of his natural life, or the best part of it anyway.

    The notion that he "broke down" because of a failed polyograph I find so completely unconvincing as to be laughable, if it weren't so sad. As I've mentioned before, no RICO prosecution threat, and Michael Vick would have put the government to its PROOF, which I still believe was woefully shallow.

    All they "had" against him at the end of the day was that he had unsavory friends to whom he gave money; these witnesses were coerced and paid for; they were and are thugs, dog butchers at least, who implicated Vick after I am sure giving many, many sworn statements to the contrary. They, not he, were the ones caught dead to rights.

    Using RICO in this context was, is, and remains (most unfortunately) a complete abuse of power that threatens the very fabric of a fair and impartial judicial system. Everyone's entitled to a day in court, my foot. Not as long as federal prosecutors continue to abuse the system. I provided a few other instances of prosecutorial abuse that are equally as prevalent in case there are some who would see this as just a case about dogs.

    I repeat, no RICO threat, no polyograph, and I believe an acquittal. Vick says to the prosecutor, "prove it" and they can't. That is what I believe.

    Now, people can return to the argument about 23 months in a federal prison being too little.
    Last edited by greybeard; 12-10-2007 at 02:21 PM. Reason: substitute "being" for "is" in last sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by greybeard View Post
    Now, people can return to the argument about 23 months in a federal prison being too little.
    I just reread the entire thread, and that sentiment was limited to one post, to which no one has responded, even in passing.
    But it's nice to see you again, strawman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greybeard View Post
    The notion that he "broke down" because of a failed polyograph I find so completely unconvincing as to be laughable, if it weren't so sad.
    To quote the article...
    "If you want me to admit it, I did it all," Vick said, according to Martin. "I did everything."
    "Martin," in this case, is Vick's defense attorney.
    As a historian, I essentially parse words for a living. Try as I might, however, I can't come up with a second plausible way of reading that.

    Reading further...
    "At the end of the Oct. 12 polygraph examination, Vick finally acknowledged killing a dog. 'I carried a dog over to Phillips, who tied a rope around its neck,' Vick told the polygrapher, according to Gill. 'I dropped the dog.'"

    Again, pretty damning stuff straight from the horse's mouth.

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