Who's Leaving - Duke 2018

[Steven43]

I actually think Gary would be a huge weapon for us next year, in the JJ Redick 2004 mode, as outside shooting will be hard to find outside of AOC.

In a perfect world, Duval realizes he needs more seasoning and stays two more years while Trent stays next year to work on his handle, defense, and passing.

But the reality is both are likely gone, imo.

Wait, what?! Did you really just compare Trent’s outside shot to that of JJ? Trent’s is not in the same zip code. I mean, sure, I hope he comes back, but JJ he is not.

And I would love to see Duval come back for two more years. Heck, one more year would be great. I can’t imagine he would be high on NBA lists. He is very athletic, but a below average shooter. And it’s a shooters league. From what I’ve seen of guards over the years if they are not a good shooter on the college level they certainly are not on the NBA level.

[Steven43]

I may end up feeling sorry for Jones. The grumpy mob on this forum who expects perfection may rip him to shreds..

Yep, there is some truth in what you say. It IS a grumpy mob tonight, myself included. But just think about what happened earlier in the evening. And add it to the fact that the Syracuse game was absolutely excruciating to watch. It’s been a tough three days, especially after the promise of the opening two rounds.

[OZ]

Since the Kansas game post-game thread has a lot of OAD stuff, I thought I would start a thread on whose leaving.

Grayson for sure.

I would assume Wendell and Marvin. NBADraft.net has them 2 and 7. They also look like NBA players to me.

Travon and Gary are projected for the first round. Personally I think they both are not ready.

Marquez is not listed. I think he will be a good NBA player someday. Hope he comes back.

Its silly to me for a player to leave for the NBA because he will not much playing time at Duke next year.

SoCa;

I think the starting five will be gone.

Personally, I agree, that Trent and Duval do not appear to be ready. But, I have discovered that my opinion on "NBA readiness" is worthless. I look for both to go... perhaps choosing to test the situation and not hire an agent at first. But, I truly would be surprised if any of them return.
To me, the biggest question is what does Bolden do? I think he is too invested in terms of years to transfer... and I don't see any interest in any of the early drafts. Hopefully, he will stay... judging by his improvement this year, he should be a much better player next year. A Duke education would not be a bad investment.

[Natty_B]

Yep, there is some truth in what you say. It IS a grumpy mob tonight, myself included. But just think about what happened earlier in the evening. And add it to the fact that the Syracuse game was absolutely excruciating to watch. It’s been a tough three days, especially after the promise of the opening two rounds.

LOL to a complaint about the aesthetic value of a win. A win!! In the sweet 16. Against a Cuse team known for making games ugly. Before the Cuse game Duke was 5-8 in sweet 16 games this century (plenty of times they didn’t even get to one). If you can’t be happy winning sweet 16 games, regardless of watchability, against a vaunted 2-3 zone that had just dispatched Michigan St and their lotto picks, you should probably become a UConn Women’s hoops fan.

In terms of next year the freshman sans O’Connell are gone. Bolden maybe, he seemed to start finally enjoying himself once he came back from his knee injury. That might make him decide to stay.

[JNort]

I would say 4 of the starters are gone 100% with the only question being Trent. Allen, Bags and Carter are obvious. Duval is gonna test well at the combine due to his athleticism and his game is better suited to the open floor and speed of the NBA. I think he will stay in if he even gets a 2nd round guarantee.

Now Trent on the other hand... average size, average athleticism and streaky shooter who wasn't strong enough in the paint. He could return and make a push for a lottery pick next year if he becomes a more consistent shooter, defends better and adds a floater to his game.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

And here I thought this thread might be about actual news of who was leaving, not emotional discussions over who ought to leave.

Naive me.

[Steven43]

LOL to a complaint about the aesthetic value of a win. A win!! In the sweet 16. Against a Cuse team known for making games ugly. Before the Cuse game Duke was 5-8 in sweet 16 games this century (plenty of times they didn’t even get to one). If you can’t be happy winning sweet 16 games, regardless of watchability, against a vaunted 2-3 zone that had just dispatched Michigan St and their lotto picks, you should probably become a UConn Women’s hoops fan.

In terms of next year the freshman sans O’Connell are gone. Bolden maybe, he seemed to start finally enjoying himself once he came back from his knee injury. That might make him decide to stay.

You honestly didn’t find the Syracuse game excruciating and nerve-wracking to watch? At least five DBR posters said something similar and my friends who are Duke fans echoed those sentiments. So then, jolly for you that watching the ‘Cuse game was a carefree, joyous affair while many of the rest of us found it to be a frustrating, brutal slugfest that was a very tough watch. And the UConn comment was laughably off-base. I can’t stand UConn and always root for them to lose.

[heyman25]

I did not want to start a new thread, but I think Duke should consider graduating transfers that have 1 year of eligibility left. I think the 4 starting freshmen will all be leaving. Duval and Trent Jr might not make the first round of the NBA draft, but I think they appear to stay on a 1 and done plan. Not sure how those guys would feel about getting less playing time in their sophmore year.

I think Barrett and Reddish will be outstanding. Williamson and Jones may not be as mindblowing talents as Barrett and Reddish,but will deliver on the court.
Bolden and DeLaurier need to spend extra hours working on their shooting. White Vrankovic O'Connell Robinson and Goldwire will give us a better bench than this season's team did.

[Nugget]

I think the only real question mark here is Bolden. The four freshmen are a sure thing to bolt. Marques is an interesting case though. He's had a few injury issues in his two years and his play has been very limited along with that. I also think K has never felt comfortable giving him extended minutes for a variety of reasons, one of which is that K will habitually keep is rotation short and ride his starters to the bitter end. So Marques has occasionally shown some decent moves yet also has looked a little over matched at times. He may just decide on giving it a go anyways just by virtue of being a 6-11 guy who got some hype out of high school and played for Duke. 2 years ago, I'm sure he thought he would be gone by this point. It's a risk for him either way. Go now and get picked up in the 2nd round working the D league for a few years trying to make a team... OR... come back and risk injury thereby taking him off the draft boards once again as a junior... OR... come back and be the lone focal point in the post for a team loaded with perimeter guys, show effectiveness on both ends, and impress just enough scouts to get his name somewhere near the 1st round board.

I think Duke will be a much better team with Marques in the post next season. He's not going to be a major focal point in the offense but he'll get a ton of burn and provide some desperately needed rebounding. Without him, Duke will basically be like the '13-'14 team that is forced to use a small forward at center. We'd put some points on the board but defense would be a huge struggle.

Bolden isn't remotely a draft prospect this year. If he goes, it's to the G league or Turkey. Seems a no-brainer decision to me to come back, hopefully be fully healthy and start at C next year for a team that should be able to space the floor better.

Trent really ought to come back, but I see almost zero chance of that.

[OZ]

And here I thought this thread might be about actual news of who was leaving, not emotional discussions over who ought to leave.

Naive me.

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[Dukebasketball2020]

If I were Duke I would persue some big's that are grad transfers. Bolden may start next year but you never know is he gonna stay healthy? out of foul trouble? He def isn't ready for 30 minutes a night. Davier is decent but you get no offense out of him. Hopefully we land EJ Montgomery.

[BlueDevilBrowns]

Wait, what?! Did you really just compare Trent’s outside shot to that of JJ? Trent’s is not in the same zip code. I mean, sure, I hope he comes back, but JJ he is not.

And I would love to see Duval come back for two more years. Heck, one more year would be great. I can’t imagine he would be high on NBA lists. He is very athletic, but a below average shooter. And it’s a shooters league. From what I’ve seen of guards over the years if they are not a good shooter on the college level they certainly are not on the NBA level.

I don’t want to take this thread way off-topic but I’ll just say this:

JJ Redick was much more than just a 3-point shooter. He was a prolific, crafty, scorer of the ball.

When I’m comparing Trent to Redick, it’s that scoring ability(shooting, FT’s, drives, floaters) that I’m referencing.

[Dukebasketball2020]

I think Trent and Duval make the most sense at coming back. When comparing Frank Jackson and Trent I think Jackson was a better all around player and I thought he left way to early. Duval is borderline first round maybe 2nd. If he improved his outside shot and FT shooting he could easily become a top 15 pick next year. Trent though would be playing with his old highschool teamate in Jones plus the final four is in MINN next year his home town state. When I look at the NBA mock draft they don't even list Malik Newman which is surprising I think he is a better all around player than Trent currently.

[weezie]

...I believe Bolden will return. He's showed a lot of improvement since his freshman year, but I think he needs one more year...Personally, I'm not sure if Bolden will be ready for 30+ minutes a game next year, but if he is, he'll be a monster.

I think he's due to stay because he's not 100% yet. That brace isn't just for decoration. Another year of strength and hardening and lateral moving improvement might push him into the top 15.
I wonder if he has the court personality of a monster, I see him more as a finesse guy. He'll be working on the outlet passes this summer wherever he is.

And PS, NOW what am I going to do every morning when it's time to check in at DBR? Ugh, trudge to work and workouts?

[IrishDevil]

I don’t want to take this thread way off-topic but I’ll just say this:

JJ Redick was much more than just a 3-point shooter. He was a prolific, crafty, scorer of the ball.

When I’m comparing Trent to Redick, it’s that scoring ability(shooting, FT’s, drives, floaters) that I’m referencing.

Not to respond off-topic, but yes, in his senior season and, to a lesser extent, his junior season, JJ could score in multiple ways. In 2004, however, which was the year you specifically referenced, sophomore JJ was an exceptionally dangerous shooting specialist complementing Duhon, Ewing, Deng, and Shelden. Trent is not in that same conversation.

[flyingdutchdevil]

That was the assumption heading into the season, and nothing has really changed.

Yes, there are a ton of red flags for Trevon (he can't shoot, he turns the ball over some), but he is seeing a lot of competition next year and will likely get squeezed out. Also, he had 3 out of 4 really good tournament games. His stock went up.

With Trent, he didn't showcase a lot of his skillset this year. His shot is really good, and he's got some midrange. But little driving, little playmaking, little posting up...Trent's skillset was half-hidden. Which may be a great thing for the draft as folks will be addressing him on what they know (really good shooter, great FT shooter, mediocre D) moreso than what they don't. And Trent won't exactly work on those skills next year as 3 of the 4 freshman are more talented than he is. Trent again may have to be that off-ball guy who takes 12-15 shots a game. Not sure that's enticing for Trent at this point.

Also, when you have the #1 HS PG, the #2 HS SG, the #1 HS PF, and the #2 HS PF/C, it's a safe assumption to make they're gone after a year.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Not to respond off-topic, but yes, in his senior season and, to a lesser extent, his junior season, JJ could score in multiple ways. In 2004, however, which was the year you specifically referenced, sophomore JJ was an exceptionally dangerous shooting specialist complementing Duhon, Ewing, Deng, and Shelden. Trent is not in that same conversation.

Agreed. It's like saying Grayson was like Grant Hill. Really?

[dukebluesincebirth]

All the starters + Bolden are gone.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

If I were Duke I would persue some big's that are grad transfers. Bolden may start next year but you never know is he gonna stay healthy? out of foul trouble? He def isn't ready for 30 minutes a night. Davier is decent but you get no offense out of him. Hopefully we land EJ Montgomery.

Not the only reply mentioning grad transfers, but the first one I saw scrolling back up.

So... The answer to Duke's OAD recruiting of guys that stay for one year is to balance it with older guys that stay for one year?

No thank you.

Also, to your points on Bolden - he seems to finally be rounding into the player we hoped we would see. I would much rather give him more minutes and reward an upperclassman for hard work and perseverance than bring in a transfers - especially with the talent we have coming in already.

Let's go Duke!

[flyingdutchdevil]

All the starters + Bolden are gone.

Could be. I wouldn't be surprised.