You can't criticize other posts for lacking empirical evidence and then immediately say stuff like "But I have to believe . . ." and "I also suspect . . ." Right?
Remember, we're comparing the Final Four to game 5 of a 2-2 series in the Western Conference Finals of the NBA playoffs. Both are huge, huge games. I honestly don't remember Quinn taking any last second shots in the Final Four to decide the outcome of a game, but maybe my memory is fuzzy. But that's why I said it would have been the biggest shot of his life. If someone can think of a bigger shot that he took in the Final Four, please enlighten me.
Anyway, nobody seems to be convincing anyone to move their position on this, so let's just all go drink some beer and have a great holiday weekend
What shot are you talking about? Did you watch the game? We're all talking about the shot at the end of the 4th quarter. Please let me know if you find video evidence of Quinn taking a bigger shot than that in the Final Four.
No, I said we don't know how he perceives the stage. The TV viewers debate was a separate argument. But there were more than a few times in the Warriors/Rockets game where it was very apparently how nervous Quinn was. Quinn's 1 assist on a Draymond Green 3 was a pass where he passed up a wide open shot. He passed the ball immediately, without even thinking about shooting it. And again, he bobbled a pretty easy pass on the final shot.
This isn't some sort wild theory that I came up with, either. Many much smarter basketball analyst than me have been saying the exact same thing, without much debate. Listen to Zach Lowe or Bill Simmons' latest podcasts. There's no debate at all between them or their podcasts guests that they felt the moment was too big for Quinn. But to be clear, nobody thought he shouldn't have taken the shot. It was a wide open shot. You take that shot every time. It just sucks that it didn't go in.
I think the reason people think it was nerves bc he dropped the pass before the shot
Fine, I take back anything I said to contradict that. Find me a bigger shot that he took and made in the Final Four, then you have my attention. You guys keep saying the FF was a bigger stage, so find me this magical shot that he took that proves he's made a bigger shot than the game 5 shot. It's gotta be in a final seconds of regulation or overtime and either decided or helped decide the outcome of the game to qualify as bigger than the shot he took in game 5.
I never said Quinn hasn't hit big shots in his career. Only that the game 5 shot would have been the biggest.
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Inasmuch as Duke didn't have any NCAAT games that season that went down to the buzzer, I believe we have a bit of a straw man here.
I believe you may be misrepresenting some positions. Theory: everything else being equal, the Final Four in the aggregate means as much to a college player as the NBA semifinals in the aggregate mean to an NBA player and has comparable pressure on either.
Maybe stage fright wasn't the right way to put it. He was nervous, though, and clearly didn't shoot with confidence. The only thing I'm going to continue defending is my very first post in this thread: that the shot he took in game 5 would have been the biggest shot of his life. So prove me wrong.
It would have been the biggest make of his life.
Why would anyone want to prove you wrong?
The issue is the suggestion that he missed it because he had stage fright.
I've told this story before.
But . . .
K post-game press conference a few years ago.
He was asked a question about young players and confidence and such matters of state.
His answer was "sometimes young players miss a shot and think it's a mistake.
It's not a mistake. It's just a missed shot."
So, maybe this wasn't a choke. Maybe it was just a missed shot.
Umm, okay? So nothing about the stage fright (which is the part that folks actually disagreed with primarily in your statement)? He missed the biggest single shot he has taken. If that was all you said originally, this whole discussion would have been a lot shorter and more pleasant for everyone.
Well, disregarding that I said 2 posts ago that stage fright was perhaps not the right words for it. My original post only said he "apparently has stage fright in the biggest games." Not evidently. Apparently. There's a difference. Perhaps to the non-homer eye, it may have seemed that way.