2017 Roster

[gofurman]

Can someone remind me our top ten players and rough positions next year? Thanks.

Here's who I recall:
M. Bolden - 5
W. Carter - 4
Bagley if eligible* - 4 Please be eligible !
Vrank - 4?
J. DeLaurier - 4?
J. Tucker - 4?
G. Trent -3?
G. Allen -2
Duval - 1

Man, that's talented but sure looks front court heavy

Who am I forgetting or. Have in the wrong position ?

[DukieTiger]

Can someone remind me our top ten players and rough positions next year? Thanks.

Here's who I recall:
M. Bolden - 5
W. Carter - 4/5
Bagley - 4/5 (3?)
Vrank - 5
J. DeLaurier - 4 (3?)
J. Tucker - 3
G. Trent -2/3
G. Allen -1/2
Duval - 1

Man, that's talented but sure looks front court heavy

Who am I forgetting or. Have in the wrong position ?

I rewrote some positions but you also have Alex O'Connell and Jack White. AOC is a 2/3 where you'd probably classify White as a 3/2.

Yes, quality depth on the wing is a question mark this year.

[gofurman]

I rewrote some positions but you also have Alex O'Connell and Jack White. AOC is a 2/3 where you'd probably classify White as a 3/2.

Yes, quality depth on the wing is a question mark this year.

Thanks.

So Alex O'Connell (top 50 guy) as 2/3.
Maybe Jack White as 3/2


So that's prob our top guys who could be vying for PT? Just trying to recall our lineup

Please be eligible Bagley !!

[sagegrouse]

Here's the roster from GoDuke.com:

1	Trevon Duval	        G	6'3"	186	Fr.	New Castle, Del. (IMG Academy [Fla.])
2	Gary Trent, Jr.	        G	6'6"	209	Fr.	Columbus, Ohio (Prolific Prep [Calif.])
3	Grayson Allen	        G	6'5"	205	Sr.	Jacksonville, Fla. (Providence School)
5	Jordan Tucker	        F	6'7"	212	Fr.	White Plains, N.Y. (Wheeler [Ga.])
12	Javin DeLaurier	        F	6'10"	231	So.	Shipman, Va. (Saint Anne's-Belfield)
14	Jordan Goldwire	        G	6'2"	172	Fr.	Norcross, Ga. (Norcross)
15	Alex O'Connell	        G	6'6"	171	Fr.	Roswell, Ga. (Milton)
20	Marques Bolden	        C	6'11"	246	So.	DeSoto, Texas (DeSoto)
30	Antonio Vrankovic	C	7'0"	269	Jr.	Delray Beach, Fla. (Pine Crest School)
34	Wendell Carter, Jr.	F	6'10"	259	Fr.	Atlanta, Ga. (Pace Academy)
35	Marvin Bagley III	F	6'11"	225	Fr.	Tempe, Ariz. (Sierra Canyon [Calif.])
41	Jack White	              F	6'7"	226	So.	Traralgon, Victoria, Australia (Australian Institute of Sport)
50	Justin Robinson	        F	6'9"	198	RSo.	San Antonio, Texas (San Antonio Christian Academy)
53	Brennan Besser	        G	6'5"	190	Jr.	Chicago, Ill. (Latin School)

For the "top ten" I'd take Duval, Trent, Allen, Tucker, DeLaurier, Bolden, Vrankovic, Carter, Bagley, and White -- omitting Goldwire, O'Connell, Robinson and Besser.

[dukelifer]

Here's the roster from GoDuke.com:

1	Trevon Duval	        G	6'3"	186	Fr.	New Castle, Del. (IMG Academy [Fla.])
2	Gary Trent, Jr.	        G	6'6"	209	Fr.	Columbus, Ohio (Prolific Prep [Calif.])
3	Grayson Allen	        G	6'5"	205	Sr.	Jacksonville, Fla. (Providence School)
5	Jordan Tucker	        F	6'7"	212	Fr.	White Plains, N.Y. (Wheeler [Ga.])
12	Javin DeLaurier	        F	6'10"	231	So.	Shipman, Va. (Saint Anne's-Belfield)
14	Jordan Goldwire	        G	6'2"	172	Fr.	Norcross, Ga. (Norcross)
15	Alex O'Connell	        G	6'6"	171	Fr.	Roswell, Ga. (Milton)
20	Marques Bolden	        C	6'11"	246	So.	DeSoto, Texas (DeSoto)
30	Antonio Vrankovic	C	7'0"	269	Jr.	Delray Beach, Fla. (Pine Crest School)
34	Wendell Carter, Jr.	F	6'10"	259	Fr.	Atlanta, Ga. (Pace Academy)
35	Marvin Bagley III	F	6'11"	225	Fr.	Tempe, Ariz. (Sierra Canyon [Calif.])
41	Jack White	              F	6'7"	226	So.	Traralgon, Victoria, Australia (Australian Institute of Sport)
50	Justin Robinson	        F	6'9"	198	RSo.	San Antonio, Texas (San Antonio Christian Academy)
53	Brennan Besser	        G	6'5"	190	Jr.	Chicago, Ill. (Latin School)

For the "top ten" I'd take Duval, Trent, Allen, Tucker, DeLaurier, Bolden, Vrankovic, Carter, Bagley, and White -- omitting Goldwire, O'Connell, Robinson and Besser.

I have a strong sense that Goldwire will play some in big games- K loves guards. I have a feeling this kid will be a defensive pest.

[Kedsy]

I have a strong sense that Goldwire will play some in big games- K loves guards. I have a feeling this kid will be a defensive pest.

I have a strong sense that Goldwire won't play at all, except in garbage time.

[Jeffrey]

I have a strong sense that Goldwire won't play at all, except in garbage time.

Yep, I do not see how he plays with the current roster. K is never going that deep when it matters.

So, who starts now?

[flyingdutchdevil]

I have a strong sense that Goldwire won't play at all, except in garbage time.

Yeah...he's not even on my radar for playing time. I assume Allen takes the 1 when Duval sits.

And let's be realistic - this is Coach K we're talking about. The man loves short lineups. I'm ACC play, the players outside the top 7 will play <10 min combined.

[sagegrouse]

Yeah...he's not even on my radar for playing time. I assume Allen takes the 1 when Duval sits.

And let's be realistic - this is Coach K we're talking about. The man loves short lineups. I'm ACC play, the players outside the top 7 will play <10 min combined.

Moreover, with so many players, isn't there something to be said for a redshirt or two?

[ipatent]

I'd say Vrank is a 5.

[Jeffrey]

Moreover, with so many players, isn't there something to be said for a redshirt or two?

IMO, with the NBA dollars increasing exponentially, less and less quality players, with NBA potential (real or imagined), will be interested in redshirting.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

IMO, with the NBA dollars increasing exponentially, less and less quality players, with NBA potential (real or imagined), will be interested in redshirting.

I think the guys he is thinking might redshirt are those who will receive little or no real playing time this year, so NBA lottery dollars are not a primary concern for them and they are likely not missing out on getting exposure as they won't be stepping off the bench much. And as I've noted before, a redshirt does not obligate one to stay at a school for five years - a player can easily declare pro at any time or grad transfer. And if a lucrative basketball career is not in their future, a free year of grad school is a nice perk.

[DukieInBrasil]

IMO, with the NBA dollars increasing exponentially, less and less quality players, with NBA potential (real or imagined), will be interested in redshirting.

that's true, but there are more than a couple of players who don't have realistic NBA potential, and probably don't view themselves as NBA bound before their Sr seasons anyway. Goldwire certainly comes to mind, so he may very well red-shirt this year if all of our guards make it thru the year healthy. Vrank should have red-shirted his Fr year, but he may be eyeing a future in Euro-ball rather than the NBA, although big guys sometimes just find themselves in the NBA if they develop enough over time. Example: MP3. Justin already red-shirted. So we have guys on the roster who may not see themselves as NBA bound players, only one of whom has a realistic chance of going the redshirt route this year. Tucker and O'Connell are the only other Fr. that don't seem to have easily envisioned paths to the NBA, but they both have skills that Duke may need this year at some point and may burn any possibility of a redshirt.
I've never seen them play outside of mix-tapes, so i don't have anything useful to say about them, but it does seem to me like Alex may have a hard time finding his way onto the court due to his skinniness. People say he's got a lot of skill and that may help him overcome his lack of strength (or maybe he'll just grow into himself before the season starts), but he may also benefit from a red-shirt year. Tucker looks more physically mature and has a reputation as a 3pt shooter, which is something Duke will need this year. Barring injury, i don't see him taking a red-shirt.

[jimsumner]

Given the expected post-season attrition, I suspect K would like to give everyone at least some garbage-time PT in anticipation of needing them next season.

And I would characterize Jack White as a 3/4.

[flyingdutchdevil]

IMO, with the NBA dollars increasing exponentially, less and less quality players, with NBA potential (real or imagined), will be interested in redshirting.

IMO, Duke has three types of players:

Elite OADs: Players who are top 10-15 and will likely start. Example: Choose one of our top 15 freshman this year

Role Players/Future Leaders: Players are likely to contribute their freshman years, but primarily as role players. They will likely be starters/impact players as upperclassmen, and some may even be greats. Example: Matt Jones, Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, Tyler Thornton

Blow Out Players/Practice Players: Scholarship players who likely won't see any meaningful time until their junior/senior years, and even then they likely won't make much of an impact. Example: Josh Hairston, Marty Pocius, Justin Robinson, Sean Obi

Yes, that "Role Players/Future Leaders" group is big and diverse, but you know who these players are. Javin DeLaurier, Justin Tucker, Alex O'Connell, and Vrank all fit into that group. To me, Justin Goodwin falls into the "Blow Out Players/Practice Players" camp.

[jimsumner]

IMO, Duke has three types of players:

Elite OADs: Players who are top 10-15 and will likely start. Example: Choose one of our top 15 freshman this year

Role Players/Future Leaders: Players are likely to contribute their freshman years, but primarily as role players. They will likely be starters/impact players as upperclassmen, and some may even be greats. Example: Matt Jones, Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, Tyler Thornton

Blow Out Players/Practice Players: Scholarship players who likely won't see any meaningful time until their junior/senior years, and even then they likely won't make much of an impact. Example: Josh Hairston, Marty Pocius, Justin Robinson, Sean Obi

Yes, that "Role Players/Future Leaders" group is big and diverse, but you know who these players are. Javin DeLaurier, Justin Tucker, Alex O'Connell, and Vrank all fit into that group. To me, Justin Goodwin falls into the "Blow Out Players/Practice Players" camp.

Justin Goodwin?

[flyingdutchdevil]

Justin Goodwin?

My goodness. That's hilarious. Jordan Goldwire.

[brevity]

Justin Goodwin?

My goodness. That's hilarious. Jordan Goldwire.

Justin Goodwin is the generic, store-brand version of Jordan Goldwire. Sadly, Roy Williams couldn't sign him either.

[jipops]

Given the expected post-season attrition, I suspect K would like to give everyone at least some garbage-time PT in anticipation of needing them next season.

And I would characterize Jack White as a 3/4.

If Jack White can somehow fill in for a few minutes at the 3 to give either Allen or Trent a breather then that would certainly be a huge plus. Especially when fouls become an issue. No idea if it will play out that way, but with such a thin lineup on the perimeter it certainly could be a weakness to fill. The 2010 team managed well with a thin perimeter, though they were all upper class-men.

[Rich]

IMO, with the NBA dollars increasing exponentially, less and less quality players, with NBA potential (real or imagined), will be interested in redshirting.

In a nod to Davos Seaworth on GoT, "fewer and fewer."