Can someone remind me our top ten players and rough positions next year? Thanks.
Here's who I recall:
M. Bolden - 5
W. Carter - 4
Bagley if eligible* - 4 Please be eligible !
Vrank - 4?
J. DeLaurier - 4?
J. Tucker - 4?
G. Trent -3?
G. Allen -2
Duval - 1
Man, that's talented but sure looks front court heavy
Who am I forgetting or. Have in the wrong position ?
Here's the roster from GoDuke.com:
For the "top ten" I'd take Duval, Trent, Allen, Tucker, DeLaurier, Bolden, Vrankovic, Carter, Bagley, and White -- omitting Goldwire, O'Connell, Robinson and Besser.Code:1 Trevon Duval G 6'3" 186 Fr. New Castle, Del. (IMG Academy [Fla.]) 2 Gary Trent, Jr. G 6'6" 209 Fr. Columbus, Ohio (Prolific Prep [Calif.]) 3 Grayson Allen G 6'5" 205 Sr. Jacksonville, Fla. (Providence School) 5 Jordan Tucker F 6'7" 212 Fr. White Plains, N.Y. (Wheeler [Ga.]) 12 Javin DeLaurier F 6'10" 231 So. Shipman, Va. (Saint Anne's-Belfield) 14 Jordan Goldwire G 6'2" 172 Fr. Norcross, Ga. (Norcross) 15 Alex O'Connell G 6'6" 171 Fr. Roswell, Ga. (Milton) 20 Marques Bolden C 6'11" 246 So. DeSoto, Texas (DeSoto) 30 Antonio Vrankovic C 7'0" 269 Jr. Delray Beach, Fla. (Pine Crest School) 34 Wendell Carter, Jr. F 6'10" 259 Fr. Atlanta, Ga. (Pace Academy) 35 Marvin Bagley III F 6'11" 225 Fr. Tempe, Ariz. (Sierra Canyon [Calif.]) 41 Jack White F 6'7" 226 So. Traralgon, Victoria, Australia (Australian Institute of Sport) 50 Justin Robinson F 6'9" 198 RSo. San Antonio, Texas (San Antonio Christian Academy) 53 Brennan Besser G 6'5" 190 Jr. Chicago, Ill. (Latin School)
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'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013
I'd say Vrank is a 5.
I think the guys he is thinking might redshirt are those who will receive little or no real playing time this year, so NBA lottery dollars are not a primary concern for them and they are likely not missing out on getting exposure as they won't be stepping off the bench much. And as I've noted before, a redshirt does not obligate one to stay at a school for five years - a player can easily declare pro at any time or grad transfer. And if a lucrative basketball career is not in their future, a free year of grad school is a nice perk.
that's true, but there are more than a couple of players who don't have realistic NBA potential, and probably don't view themselves as NBA bound before their Sr seasons anyway. Goldwire certainly comes to mind, so he may very well red-shirt this year if all of our guards make it thru the year healthy. Vrank should have red-shirted his Fr year, but he may be eyeing a future in Euro-ball rather than the NBA, although big guys sometimes just find themselves in the NBA if they develop enough over time. Example: MP3. Justin already red-shirted. So we have guys on the roster who may not see themselves as NBA bound players, only one of whom has a realistic chance of going the redshirt route this year. Tucker and O'Connell are the only other Fr. that don't seem to have easily envisioned paths to the NBA, but they both have skills that Duke may need this year at some point and may burn any possibility of a redshirt.
I've never seen them play outside of mix-tapes, so i don't have anything useful to say about them, but it does seem to me like Alex may have a hard time finding his way onto the court due to his skinniness. People say he's got a lot of skill and that may help him overcome his lack of strength (or maybe he'll just grow into himself before the season starts), but he may also benefit from a red-shirt year. Tucker looks more physically mature and has a reputation as a 3pt shooter, which is something Duke will need this year. Barring injury, i don't see him taking a red-shirt.
Given the expected post-season attrition, I suspect K would like to give everyone at least some garbage-time PT in anticipation of needing them next season.
And I would characterize Jack White as a 3/4.
IMO, Duke has three types of players:
Elite OADs: Players who are top 10-15 and will likely start. Example: Choose one of our top 15 freshman this year
Role Players/Future Leaders: Players are likely to contribute their freshman years, but primarily as role players. They will likely be starters/impact players as upperclassmen, and some may even be greats. Example: Matt Jones, Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, Tyler Thornton
Blow Out Players/Practice Players: Scholarship players who likely won't see any meaningful time until their junior/senior years, and even then they likely won't make much of an impact. Example: Josh Hairston, Marty Pocius, Justin Robinson, Sean Obi
Yes, that "Role Players/Future Leaders" group is big and diverse, but you know who these players are. Javin DeLaurier, Justin Tucker, Alex O'Connell, and Vrank all fit into that group. To me, Justin Goodwin falls into the "Blow Out Players/Practice Players" camp.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill
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Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill
President of the "Nolan Smith Should Have His Jersey in The Rafters" Club
If Jack White can somehow fill in for a few minutes at the 3 to give either Allen or Trent a breather then that would certainly be a huge plus. Especially when fouls become an issue. No idea if it will play out that way, but with such a thin lineup on the perimeter it certainly could be a weakness to fill. The 2010 team managed well with a thin perimeter, though they were all upper class-men.
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