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    Cards/Pitino Slammed by NCAA

    ESPN reporting four additional years of probation for the Cards and five game suspension for Pitino for their prostitution scandal they had previously "self-imposed" penalties for.

    Knowing this board, we will immediately take this and spin it towards the UNC scandal, so, have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    ESPN reporting four additional years of probation for the Cards and five game suspension for Pitino for their prostitution scandal they had previously "self-imposed" penalties for.

    Knowing this board, we will immediately take this and spin it towards the UNC scandal, so, have at it.
    Huh, all i'm seeing on the ESPN website is the mention of an ACC five game suspension...does the NCAA probation include any more post season bans other than last year's self imposed one???
    p.s. edit: did see late mention they are ordered to "vacate" hoop records in which ineligible player played betweeen Dec 2010 and 2014...but not clear if 2013 title was to be vacated...(hello, tarheels)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 View Post
    ESPN reporting four additional years of probation for the Cards and five game suspension for Pitino for their prostitution scandal they had previously "self-imposed" penalties for.

    Knowing this board, we will immediately take this and spin it towards the UNC scandal, so, have at it.
    I may be in the minority here, but a program getting probation isn't exactly what I'd consider getting slammed. Probation is basically a warning to stay in line going forward. Pitino's 5-game suspension, which isn't a heavy burden but is still a tangible punishment, actually seems more harsh than an extended probationary period, in my view. Probation is toothless.

    That said, I think the self-imposed punishment that UofL proposed/implemented seems reasonable to me, so I'm not suggesting the NCAA needs to go any further.
    Haters gonna hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Huh, all i'm seeing on the ESPN website is the mention of an ACC five game suspension...does the NCAA probation include any more post season bans other than last year's self imposed one???
    p.s. edit: did see late mention they are ordered to "vacate" hoop records in which ineligible player played betweeen Dec 2010 and 2014...but not clear if 2013 title was to be vacated...(hello, tarheels)
    We should know soon. Also, there's no official word yet on whether the title will be vacated with the games if it comes to that. There have been instances in the past where the NCAA has vacated tourney games, but not forced them to take down banners and such. It's been more common in recent history to do so, but there has been inconsistency with this in the past.

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    Here it is from the NCAA itself. There is also an embedded link to the actual decision from the NCAA. I have not read it.

    Money quote from the press release:

    Penalties prescribed by the panel include four years of probation for the university; a suspension from the first five Atlantic Coast Conference games of the 2017-18 season for the head coach; a 10-year show-cause order for the former operations director; a one-year show-cause order for a former program assistant; a vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014; men’s basketball scholarship reductions and recruiting restrictions; a fine of $5,000, plus the university must return money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012 to 2015 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championships. The panel also accepted the university’s self-imposed 2015-16 postseason ban.
    "Amazing what a minute can do."

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    The scholarship reductions, recruiting restrictions, and fines will hurt some in the long term. But interesting that there's relatively little--just the Pitino five-game ACC ban--that will impact the team this year when they are serious contenders.

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    Also, it's not clear yet whether the 2013 title will be impacted:

    A vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014. The university will provide a written report containing the games impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.
    So we'll have to wait and see if any 2013 tournament games are included in that list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tripping William View Post
    Here it is from the NCAA itself. There is also an embedded link to the actual decision from the NCAA. I have not read it.

    Money quote from the press release:
    Money quote is still pretty vague: no mention of how many scholarships involved, nor the championship issue...a loss or only one or two scholarships per year is a relative slap on the wrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Money quote is still pretty vague: no mention of how many scholarships involved, nor the championship issue...a loss or only one or two scholarships per year is a relative slap on the wrist.
    Here are some more details:


    • Public reprimand and censure for the university.

    • Four years of probation from June 15, 2017, through June 14, 2021.

    • A suspension from the first five ACC games of the 2017-18 season for the head coach. During the suspension, the head coach may not be present in the arena where the games are played and have no contact with the student-athletes or members of his coaching staff. The head coach also may not participate in any activities including, but not limited to, team travel, practice, video study and team meetings.

    • A 10-year show-cause period for the former operations director from June 15, 2017, through June 14, 2027. During that period, any NCAA member school employing the former coach must restrict him from holding any athletically related duties and from having any contact with prospects and their families.

    • A one-year show-cause order for the former program assistant from June 15, 2017, through June 14, 2018. During that period, any NCAA member school employing him can schedule an appearance before a panel of the COI to determine whether he should be subject to show-cause provisions.

    • A vacation of basketball records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible from December 2010 and July 2014. The university will provide a written report containing the games impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.

    • A reduction in men's basketball scholarships by two during the 2016-17 year (self-imposed by the university). Additionally, the university must reduce men's basketball scholarships by four over the probation period. The university may take the reductions during any year of that period.

    • A prohibition of men's basketball coaching travel during the April 2016 recruiting period, which resulted in a reduction of men's basketball recruiting opportunities by 30 (self-imposed by the university).

    • A reduction of recruiting travel during the July 2016 recruiting period by six days (self-imposed by the university).

    • A reduction in the number of men's basketball official visits to a total of 10 during the 2015-16 year. Additionally, the university will have no more than a total of 16 visits during the 2016-17 and 2017-18 years (self-imposed by the university).

    • During the probation period, men's basketball prospects on unofficial visits may not stay overnight in any campus dorms or school-owned property.

    • A disassociation of the former operations director (self-imposed by the university). The public decision describes the details of his disassociation.

    • A $5,000 fine (self-imposed by the university). The university must also return to the NCAA the money received through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championships. Future revenue distributions that are scheduled to be provided to the university from those tournaments also must be withheld by the conference and forfeited to the NCAA.

    • A postseason ban for the men's basketball team for the 2015-16 season (self-imposed by the university).

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    UNCheat gets to skate by with its 2005 and 2009 championship banners while UL might get its 2013 banner brought down...makes me furious

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    I view this as a good sign: it is always wise to loosen up with a practice swing or two before you swing really hard to hammer one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeTrinity11 View Post
    UNCheat gets to skate by with its 2005 and 2009 championship banners while UL might get its 2013 banner brought down...makes me furious
    This decision is bad for UNC (and is probably really bad). The COI basically bats down the argument that extra benefits that have minimal dollar value aren't meaningful and lays out that if the benefits aren't spelled out in the NCAA Manual they aren't allowed. In addition, the COI gets a tad sanctimonious about "threatening the integrity of the NCAA Collegiate Model".

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    How would it be possible to vacate games but retain the title? I mean in the instance where the vacated games were part of the tournament? In what universe would that make sense?
    Failure is always an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    In what universe would that make sense?
    A universe operated by those lying bastards?

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    Hopefully starting reeaal soon...

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    L'Ville press conference says they will appeal, they threw out numbers of 108 regular season games and 15 post season games are in jeopardy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsvman View Post
    How would it be possible to vacate games but retain the title? I mean in the instance where the vacated games were part of the tournament? In what universe would that make sense?
    Hopefully the universe where the NCAA is laying the groundwork for some banner-snatching from our "friends*" up the road. So far I realize I'm probably the only denizen of said universe.**
    Last edited by CameronBlue; 06-15-2017 at 12:46 PM. Reason: * loosely defined; ** It's so cold here...so so cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BD80 View Post
    I view this as a good sign: it is always wise to loosen up with a practice swing or two before you swing really hard to hammer one.
    Yeah, hopefully this is just a slow swing in the on-deck circle with a donut on the bat.
    "UNC makes me think of a pile of vomit in a school hallway. They keep trying to throw more and more of that peppermint neutralizer on it and act like it's candy, but the puke smell won't go away." -- (Internet-winning comment on N&O article re: UNX cheating scandal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Rosenrosen View Post
    Yeah, hopefully this is just a slow swing in the on-deck circle with a donut on the bat.
    Or, this is the COI's "mulligan" and they get their real chance some time this summer/fall...
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    There seems to be an inconsistency here. At one point in the Public Infractions Decision they said:

    Further, if any of the student-athletes competed in the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championships at any time they were ineligible, the institution's participation in the championships shall be vacated.
    This seems to leave the question open as to whether any student-athletes competed. However, later, when describing the financial penalties, they said:

    Therefore, consistent with former Bylaw 19.5.2-(i) and Bylaw 31.2.2.4, the IAC's report in Purdue University (2000), IAC Report No. 306 in University of Memphis (2010) and IAC Report No. 414 in Syracuse University (2015), the institution shall return to the NCAA all of the monies it has received to date through conference revenue sharing for its appearances in the 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournaments.
    Bylaw 31.2.2.4 covers the situation in which an ineligible student-athlete participates in an NCAA championship.
    31.2.2.4 Institutional Penalty for Ineligible Participation. When an ineligible student-athlete participates in an NCAA championship and the student-athlete or the institution knew or had reason to know of the ineligibility, the NCAA Committee on Infractions may assess a financial penalty.

    So here in the financial penalty section they are announcing that ineligible student-athlete(s) did participate in the 2012-2015 NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournaments, so Louisville must return all revenue from those tournaments. Is there any other way to read this? Their wins in those tournaments will have to be vacated, right?

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