unc Athletics Scandal: NCAA Procedural Hearing Soon!

[Skitzle]

There's going to be a finding of LOIC. I don't see how even the willfully blind NCAA can avoid that one. Even viewed in a light most favorable to a UNC, their academic support staff, which was part of the athletic department, became aware of seriously anomalous courses. Instead of notifying the appropriate deans, the academic support staff proceeded to steer as many athletes as possible to courses they knew were phony. That's not just an academic problem. That's athletic department impropriety. That's LOIC.

Yea I definitely agree. I think for us skating means Hanstravel still owning at National Championship. 05 and 09 need to be vacated, but they won't be as a result of the diminished nature of the ANOA.

Still its CLEAR that LOIC will still be charged, but forcing 2017-2018 NIT team to skip the playoffs just doesn't have the same bite as the previously mentioned potential punishments.

[LastRowFan]

NCAA punishments aside, the WSJ puts UNC next to Baylor and Ole Miss at the bottom (near hell?) in their "grid of shame."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-...ame-1472764117

The Carolina Way, indeed.

[sammy3469]

There's going to be a finding of LOIC. I don't see how even the willfully blind NCAA can avoid that one. Even viewed in a light most favorable to a UNC, their academic support staff, which was part of the athletic department, became aware of seriously anomalous courses. Instead of notifying the appropriate deans, the academic support staff proceeded to steer as many athletes as possible to courses they knew were phony. That's not just an academic problem. That's athletic department impropriety. That's LOIC.

FWIW, UNC is argument in a nutshell is that the athletic staff doesn't have the knowledge to know they were phony...ergo they have no obligation to report anything.

Obviously, any reasonable person would laugh at that argument which is why the NCAA went this way. Why get into the weeds on a course by course, player by player basis when you can just nuke (hopefully) the entire department in one broad brush.

[swood1000]

FWIW, UNC is argument in a nutshell is that the athletic staff doesn't have the knowledge to know they were phony...ergo they have no obligation to report anything.

To the extent that they argue that, they are admitting to allegation 4, which charges that "the institution violated the NCAA Principle of Rules Compliance":

2.8.1 Responsibility of Institution. [*] Each institution shall ... monitor its programs to assure compliance...

[PackMan97]

NCAA punishments aside, the WSJ puts UNC next to Baylor and Ole Miss at the bottom (near hell?) in their "grid of shame."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-...ame-1472764117

The Carolina Way, indeed.

For those finding the WSJ is paywalled when visitng that link, most paywalls will allow direct links from google, bing and other major search engines. Simply put the title in your favorite search engine and follow that link. *MOST* of the time, you'll be able to read the entire article.

I'd like to know what NC State did to be ranked halfway down on the shame axis. I know all about why we are on the weakling end of things.

I'm surprised Duke is viewed as weaker than NC State...maybe it's projections for this year? IDK.

[swood1000]

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I looked at the same grid from 2015 and compared it to this 2016 grid. In 2015, Duke falls comfortably in the upper right quartile (Powerhouse, Admirable) while the college of Chapel Hill remains firmly at the dregs of Embarrassing (but still Powerhouse). UNC has remained stationary year-over-year, while Duke has transitioned from Powerhouse to Weakling while remaining Admirable.

Fun exercise and visual.

[Dukelogger]

This still makes me laugh:
http://www.si.com/vault/2007/03/19/8...ler-hansbrough

[DukieInKansas]

This still makes me laugh:
http://www.si.com/vault/2007/03/19/8...ler-hansbrough

Wasn't this one a possibly suspect class for a semester?
"On otherinteresting classes
I'm taking Naval Weapons Systems. You learn about the engineering and operatingsystems that the Navy has on ships for weapons. I wanted classes about things Iwouldn't necessarily be exposed to on my own."

[porcophile]

Those who've been following the internal UNC politics of this business may recognize the name Joy Renner. She's the academically negligible untenured teacher of X-ray technicians who for some reason chaired the university's Faculty Athletics Committee through all of this mess. Under her leadership the FAC was remarkably inert, even for a faculty committee, and managed to avoid noticing that there were any, ah, irregularities. Ms. Renner has blocked a number of attempts to address the univrsity's problems, and she has been either complicit in the eligibility shenanigans (my belief) or remarkably incompetent. There is no other choice.
Now this woman has been chosen by Chancellor Folt to receive UNC's C. Knox Massey Distinguished Service Award, described as "one of the most coveted distinctions earned by faculty and staff," and indeed given in the past to many worthy and admirable folks. She was nominated by Lissa Broome, UNC's Faculty Athletics Representative (a pea from the same pod) and Kim Strom-Gottfried (the "Chief Ethics Officer' appointed by the chancellor to make sure everyone behaves ethically). Broome said of Renner that she "invok[ed] the power of listening to find discernment through discourse." Strom-Gottfried noted that "she has been effective in promoting change efforts while resisting pressure to change things precipitously or injudiciously."
This is just disgusting. There's no other word for it.

[dudog84]

Those who've been following the internal UNC politics of this business may recognize the name Joy Renner. She's the academically negligible untenured teacher of X-ray technicians who for some reason chaired the university's Faculty Athletics Committee through all of this mess. Under her leadership the FAC was remarkably inert, even for a faculty committee, and managed to avoid noticing that there were any, ah, irregularities. Ms. Renner has blocked a number of attempts to address the univrsity's problems, and she has been either complicit in the eligibility shenanigans (my belief) or remarkably incompetent. There is no other choice.
Now this woman has been chosen by Chancellor Folt to receive UNC's C. Knox Massey Distinguished Service Award, described as "one of the most coveted distinctions earned by faculty and staff," and indeed given in the past to many worthy and admirable folks. She was nominated by Lissa Broome, UNC's Faculty Athletics Representative (a pea from the same pod) and Kim Strom-Gottfried (the "Chief Ethics Officer' appointed by the chancellor to make sure everyone behaves ethically). Broome said of Renner that she "invok[ed] the power of listening to find discernment through discourse." Strom-Gottfried noted that "she has been effective in promoting change efforts while resisting pressure to change things precipitously or injudiciously."
This is just disgusting. There's no other word for it.

It's more fun if you say it in your best W.C. Fields voice. Ah yes.

[jdj4duke]

Sylvia Hatchell apparently has been given a two year contract extension. Guess that will keep things quiet a while. No mention of a clothing allowance.

[Indoor66]

Sylvia Hatchell apparently has been given a two year contract extension. Guess that will keep things quiet a while. No mention of a clothing allowance.

The clothing allowance will, obviously, be a new provision! I hope there's a mandatory aspect that also includes consulting services. 😁😈😥😎

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Sylvia Hatchell apparently has been given a two year contract extension. Guess that will keep things quiet a while. No mention of a clothing allowance.

Cesspool.

[Atlanta Duke]

Sylvia Hatchell apparently has been given a two year contract extension. Guess that will keep things quiet a while.

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately - Benjamin Franklin

[richardjackson199]

More word leaking out that UNC will probably skate, along with the usual pity-party quotes by ol Roy...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-probe

[sagegrouse]

More word leaking out that UNC will probably skate, along with the usual pity-party quotes by ol Roy...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ar-heels-probe

Not what the article says.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Not what the article says.

Quite the Seinfeldian article... a story about nothing. Neither UNC nor Roy know when the hearing will be. So, let's "report" on that and draw some inane conclusions about nothing at all.

But it's fun to see Roy still referring to himself in the third person and whining about all the "junk" that's been going on and making his life so difficult. Poor Roy.

[TruBlu]

"Five investigations, five different groups that concluded Roy Williams didn't know what was going on, didn't know anything about it," he said.

The above quote is Roy's in the article.

Sounds kinda like "They performed a brain scan on me and found nothing".

[Indoor66]

"Five investigations, five different groups that concluded Roy Williams didn't know what was going on, didn't know anything about it," he said.

The above quote is Roy's in the article.

Sounds kinda like "They performed a brain scan on me and found nothing".

You are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too generous with your statement.