UNC Athletics Scandal: Roy/Hat lying to recruits

[BigWayne]

So, what are the consequences of redaction beyond the scope of FERPA requirements? Seems like a violation of FOIA rules, but I am no expert in this realm, and I have no idea how this gets addressed. Pretty pathetic on Carolina's part, IMO, but if they're not going to get penalized for it, they're going to try and keep that golden calf as clean as possible.

UNC released the documents on their own volition, so there are no FOIA requirements to follow. This is why hopefully someone at PP or the N&O will do an FOIA on that specific email.

[swood1000]

This after decades of telling everyone that they were the exception, the lie that was "the Carolina way" can finally be put to rest now that the Chancellor is on record as saying UNC is just like everyone else.

The meaning of "The Carolina Way" has merely been clarified and exemplified. The term has not been put to rest.

[Bostondevil]

"It's the root of what an academic institution does," Whelan said. "If you can't count on the quality of the program that students enroll and are granted a degree then what can you do? Why do you exist as an institution?"

Why, to hang more title banners in your basketball arena than the school down the road, of course. If post-hoc bakery banners and paper classes are necessary to do so, then so be it.

Careful - you might convince some Carolina faithful that this is all Duke's fault! If Duke hadn't won the tourney so many times . . .

[PackMan97]

There's already a pretty big contingent in the Carolina camp who think Folt and the BOG were wrong to hire Wainstein because the scandal was "contained" at that point, and all Wainstein did was breathe new life into it. Yes, it's a deluded worldview ("Hey, let's blame the people who tried to discover the extent of the fraud, rather than the fraud itself, for our woes"), and yes, it doesn't get much traction outside of TarheelWorld. But don't underestimate how prevalent this thread of, um..."logic" is among the UNC faithful. Just this week, good ol' Art Chansky penned this gem, discussing the NCAA's NOA against Carolina:

I disagree that it was contained.

July 2011 - The ball gets rolling when McAdoo sues and part of the exhibit is a heavily plagiarized assignment for a "paper class". Marvin Austin's transcript also leaks which shows a high level AFAM course in the summer followed by remdial instruction in the fall semester of his freshman year.
June 2012. Their FB team got busted, they did an internal faculty review saying there were 50 or so bad courses in AFAM from 2007-2011, 9 of which appear to have no professor and no coursework. Nyang’oro retires. Let's put this all behind us. UNC goes into bunker mode to ride out the storm and appears successful.
August 2012. UNC leaves Julius Peppers transcript on a public web server and the crap hits the fan again. His transcript shows a clear use of AFAM courses to regain eligibility with exceptionally high grades compared to his legit coursework. Within days, UNC has to scramble and hires Martin to do a whitewash of the scandal, but his report still expands the scope of to dates earlier than 2007.
Sept - Nov 2012 - While Gov. Martin is busy writing some BS, it comes out that freshmen FB players were enrolled in upper level AFAM courses during summer school before their first semester. The laughibly easy NAVS 302 course also gets exposed. We learn Erik Hightower can indeed plagerize some 5th graders. Willingham comes forward.
Dec 2012 - Martin reports the malfeasance dates back to 1994 (how convenient for that '93 banner) encompass 200 lecture courses that never met, suspicious independent study courses and 500+ highly irregular courses. Martin claims this had nothing to do with academics because purple.
Jan - Feb 2013 - Baker Tiley retracts a key finding of the report, no one believes it. The N&O has some dirt on meeting minutes that Martin got incorrect. UNC starts hiring class checkers to see if classes across the university are really being held.
June-July 2013 - Boxill is discovered to have edited parts of the report to try and provide cover from the NCAA.
Things settle down for a bit
Jan 2014 - Mary Willignham goes on the offensive saying a few of the kids were functionally illiterate and the stories bring the attention of the national media. Michael McAdoo also chimes in.
Feb 2014 - Wainstein hired after the national media deluge.

UNC had to hire Wainstein and we owe it all to Mary Willingham, imo. Reading back through the timeline, it is amazing how little UNC wanted to look into the matter. Even now PHIL, EXSS, DRAM and COMM are all implicated in supporting documents but UNC has done NOTHING to investigate those departments.

/smfh

[PackMan97]

From PackPride...I thought it was worth passing along. Carolina is no longer a public Ivy...check out their new academic peers!

PrimalScream wrote:

UNC should consider itself privileged to be associated with such institutes of Higher Learning. These are all of the Colleges that faced sanctions in December of 2015

Alabama State University, Montgomery, Alabama
The Art Institute of Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia
The Art Institute of Houston, Houston, Texas
Bethel University, McKenzie, Tennessee
Emmanuel Christian Seminary, Johnson City, Tennessee
Erskine College, Due West, South Carolina
Georgetown College, Georgetown, Kentucky
Interdenominational Theological Center, Atlanta, Georgia
Miami International University of Art & Design, Miami, Florida
Mid-Continent University, Mayfield, Kentucky
Norfolk State University, Norfolk, Virginia
South University, Savannah, Georgia

[plimnko]

From PackPride...I thought it was worth passing along. Carolina is no longer a public Ivy...check out their new academic peers!

isn't it unfair to call them "peers"? did any of the schools listed commit academic fraud for EIGHTEEN years? i think carolina is shamefully in a class by themselves.

[Tripping William]

careful - you might convince some carolina faithful that this is all duke's fault! If duke hadn't won the tourney back-to-back times . . .

fify.

[Bostondevil]

fify.

Thanks!

[swood1000]

From PackPride...I thought it was worth passing along. Carolina is no longer a public Ivy...check out their new academic peers!

PrimalScream wrote:

UNC should consider itself privileged to be associated with such institutes of Higher Learning. These are all of the Colleges that faced sanctions in December of 2015

Alabama State University, Montgomery, Alabama
The Art Institute of Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia
The Art Institute of Houston, Houston, Texas
Bethel University, McKenzie, Tennessee
Emmanuel Christian Seminary, Johnson City, Tennessee
Erskine College, Due West, South Carolina
Georgetown College, Georgetown, Kentucky
Interdenominational Theological Center, Atlanta, Georgia
Miami International University of Art & Design, Miami, Florida
Mid-Continent University, Mayfield, Kentucky
Norfolk State University, Norfolk, Virginia
South University, Savannah, Georgia

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

"It's a big deal," said Belle Whelan, SACS president. "This issue was bigger than anything with which we've ever dealt, and it went on for longer than anything else. This is the first one I can recall in the 10 years I've been here that we put an institution on probation for academic fraud or academic integrity."

[Tripping William]

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

But, but, but . . . . *everyone* does it.

[Tom B.]

I disagree that it was contained.

July 2011 - The ball gets rolling when McAdoo sues and part of the exhibit is a heavily plagiarized assignment for a "paper class". Marvin Austin's transcript also leaks which shows a high level AFAM course in the summer followed by remdial instruction in the fall semester of his freshman year.
June 2012. Their FB team got busted, they did an internal faculty review saying there were 50 or so bad courses in AFAM from 2007-2011, 9 of which appear to have no professor and no coursework. Nyang’oro retires. Let's put this all behind us. UNC goes into bunker mode to ride out the storm and appears successful.
August 2012. UNC leaves Julius Peppers transcript on a public web server and the crap hits the fan again. His transcript shows a clear use of AFAM courses to regain eligibility with exceptionally high grades compared to his legit coursework. Within days, UNC has to scramble and hires Martin to do a whitewash of the scandal, but his report still expands the scope of to dates earlier than 2007.
Sept - Nov 2012 - While Gov. Martin is busy writing some BS, it comes out that freshmen FB players were enrolled in upper level AFAM courses during summer school before their first semester. The laughibly easy NAVS 302 course also gets exposed. We learn Erik Hightower can indeed plagerize some 5th graders. Willingham comes forward.
Dec 2012 - Martin reports the malfeasance dates back to 1994 (how convenient for that '93 banner) encompass 200 lecture courses that never met, suspicious independent study courses and 500+ highly irregular courses. Martin claims this had nothing to do with academics because purple.
Jan - Feb 2013 - Baker Tiley retracts a key finding of the report, no one believes it. The N&O has some dirt on meeting minutes that Martin got incorrect. UNC starts hiring class checkers to see if classes across the university are really being held.
June-July 2013 - Boxill is discovered to have edited parts of the report to try and provide cover from the NCAA.
Things settle down for a bit
Jan 2014 - Mary Willignham goes on the offensive saying a few of the kids were functionally illiterate and the stories bring the attention of the national media. Michael McAdoo also chimes in.
Feb 2014 - Wainstein hired after the national media deluge.

UNC had to hire Wainstein and we owe it all to Mary Willingham, imo. Reading back through the timeline, it is amazing how little UNC wanted to look into the matter. Even now PHIL, EXSS, DRAM and COMM are all implicated in supporting documents but UNC has done NOTHING to investigate those departments.

/smfh

I also disagree that it was contained. I'm just saying that's the prevailing narrative among many UNC faithful. They truly believe that the scandal was a dying fire that would've gone out if Wainstein hadn't thrown gasoline on it, and that he and the people who hired him are the sole reason for all the problems UNC is still experiencing.

[Duvall]

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

Which makes sneering at UNC for being "diminished" by association with schools in financial straits a bit distasteful.

[devildeac]

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

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[swood1000]

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

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It's part of the updated lexicon. As they relate to UNC we have clarified meanings for:

• The Carolina Way
• Peerless

[swood1000]

From the Chronical of Higher Education:

Reducing the number of athletic scholarships at Chapel Hill, or vacating wins, or banning teams from postseason competition, is in each case a punishment wholly unsuitable to the crime. The crime involves fundamental academic integrity. The response, regardless of the visibility or reputation or wealth of the institution, should be to suspend accredited status until there is evidence that an appropriate level of integrity is both culturally and structurally in place.

Anything less would be dismissive of the many institutions whose transcripts actually have meaning.

Though perhaps there would be nothing wrong with also vacating the wins.

[OldPhiKap]

These are not academic peers. Each of these institutions was sanctioned for reasons having to do with financial stability. UNC stands by itself in being sanctioned for academic integrity.

This bears repeating. The other schools have financial issues. UNC has ethical issues.

[devildeac]

Not sure if this has been linked:

http://www.wral.com/accrediting-orga...tion/14704731/


Money quote:

"SACS vice president Cheryl Cardell told UNC-Chapel Hill officials in a November letter that Wainstein's findings didn't jibe with information the university provided to the accrediting organization in 2013, when officials insisted the fraud was limited to the activities of two people in the Department of African and Afro-American Studies.

Willingham said she believes that the trickle of revelations only served to aggravate SACS."


Google translator gives me this: You lying bastards. Don't @#$% with us!

(more or less)

[porcophile]

A friend tells me that just before the NCAA NOA was released, UNC announced two new groups charged with preventing future "irregularities." One will "identify any redundancies, gaps and inconsistencies," the other "has been charged with reinforcing ethical high-integrity behavior." (It takes a college degree to write prose like that.)
If this is being orchestrated by UNC's p.r. consultants, the university isn't getting its money's worth.

[hudlow]

A friend tells me that just before the NCAA NOA was released, UNC announced two new groups charged with preventing future "irregularities." One will "identify any redundancies, gaps and inconsistencies," the other "has been charged with reinforcing ethical high-integrity behavior." (It takes a college degree to write prose like that.)
If this is being orchestrated by UNC's p.r. consultants, the university isn't getting its money's worth.

a preemptive strike?

[BD80]

A friend tells me that just before the NCAA NOA was released, UNC announced two new groups charged with preventing future "irregularities." One will "identify any redundancies, gaps and inconsistencies," the other "has been charged with reinforcing ethical high-integrity behavior." (It takes a college degree to write prose like that.)
If this is being orchestrated by UNC's p.r. consultants, the university isn't getting its money's worth.

I don't believe FRE 407. "Subsequent Remedial Measures" applies here. Tell us what you fixed.