Okafor and Winslow Freshman Point & Rebounds

[luburch]

Thanks also to ksimp112 for starting this thread and doing most of the legwork.

Thanks to Okafor for making this thread possible.

[94duke]

Update after the FSU game which Jahlil played 28 minutes, scored 13 points and grabbed 4 rebounds.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Singler- 451
Jahlil Okafor - 431

Rebounds (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Jahlil Okafor-219
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

Thanks to yancem and ksimp112.
In previous years I remember someone (can't remember who) posting a "PPG and RPG necessary" as people were getting close to milestones at the end of the year. I thought I would try something for Okafor's PPG and RPG. Hopefully this helps.

Points:
Parker 670
Okafor 431 (239 pt difference)

Rebounds:
Parker 306
Okafor 219 (87 reb difference)

Games	PPG	RPG
9	26.6	9.7
10	23.9	8.7
11	21.7	7.9
12	19.9	7.3
13	18.4	6.7
14	17.1	6.2
15	15.9	5.8
16	14.9	5.4

[Olympic Fan]

Games	PPG	RPG
9	26.6	9.7
10	23.9	8.7
11	21.7	7.9
12	19.9	7.3
13	18.4	6.7
14	17.1	6.2
15	15.9	5.8
16	14.9	5.4

So at his current averages (18.0 ppg and 9.1 rpg after the FSU game), he'll need 14 games to catch Parker in scoring and 10 games to get there in rebounding.

That's going to be tough -- especially in scoring.

We have seven regular season games left. Anywhere from 1 to 4 in the ACC Tournament. Then anywhere from 1 to 6 in the NCAA Tournament.

So a maximum of 17 remaining games ... 16 if we get the bye in the ACC Tournament.

[ksimp112]

Okafor's curent numbers after lastnight's game against Syracuse. Finished with 23 points (10 of 15 from the field & 3/4 FT), 13 rebounds (4 off & 9 deff), 4 TO's, 4 fouls, 1 block, 0 assit and 0 steals, in 34 minutes of action.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Jahlil Okafor - 454
Singler- 451


Rebounds (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 232
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

[g-money]

I seem to recall quite a bit of debate about whether it is fair to compare Jah to Tim Duncan. Well, this ought to add some fuel to the fire.

In other news, I think we can safely conclude that Jah's dominance this season is in large part a consequence of Nate James's taking over for Steve Wojciechowski as the Duke big man coach.

Bwhahaha. Just looking to stir things up a bit on a boring sports Sunday.

[94duke]

Okafor's curent numbers after lastnight's game against Syracuse. Finished with 23 points (10 of 15 from the field & 3/4 FT), 13 rebounds (4 off & 9 deff), 4 TO's, 4 fouls, 1 block, 0 assit and 0 steals, in 34 minutes of action.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Jahlil Okafor - 454
Singler- 451


Rebounds (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 232
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

Thanks for updating the numbers. Here's an update on the PPG and RPG required:

Games	PPG	RPG
8	27.000	9.250
9	24.000	8.222
10	21.600	7.400
11	19.636	6.727
12	18.000	6.167
13	16.615	5.692
14	15.429	5.286
15	14.400	4.933
16	13.500	4.625

[ksimp112]

After last nights thrilling game here is Okafor's updated numbers. Last night he scored 12 points and grabbed 13 rebounds.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Jahlil Okafor - 466
Singler- 451


Rebounds (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 245
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

[94duke]

After last nights thrilling game here is Okafor's updated numbers. Last night he scored 12 points and grabbed 13 rebounds.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Jahlil Okafor - 466
Singler- 451


Rebounds (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 245
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

Thanks again for updating:

Games	PPG	RPG
7	29.143	8.714
8	25.500	7.625
9	22.667	6.778
10	20.400	6.100
11	18.545	5.545
12	17.000	5.083
13	15.692	4.692
14	14.571	4.357

[flyingdutchdevil]

Thanks again for updating:

Games	PPG	RPG
7	29.143	8.714
8	25.500	7.625
9	22.667	6.778
10	20.400	6.100
11	18.545	5.545
12	17.000	5.083
13	15.692	4.692
14	14.571	4.357

This tells me that, barring further injury and missing more games, Okafor will absolutely break the rebound record. I just don't see how he doesn't.

On a points perspective, it's gonna be tough. Missing the Clemson would hurt, and Duke would need to go to the ACC Tourney finals and the second weekend of the NCAA to give the Oak a chance.

[94duke]

I've updated the PPG and RPG to account for Jah sitting out the Clemson game.

Games	PPG	RPG
6	34.000	10.167
7	29.143	8.714
8	25.500	7.625
9	22.667	6.778
10	20.400	6.100
11	18.545	5.545
12	17.000	5.083
13	15.692	4.692

[ksimp112]

Okafor made up tonight for sitting out the last game. Finished with 30 pts. and 9 reb.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Jahlil Okafor - 496
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Singler- 451


Rebounds: (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 254
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

[94duke]

Okafor made up tonight for sitting out the last game. Finished with 30 pts. and 9 reb.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Dawkins - 506
Jahlil Okafor - 496
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Singler- 451


Rebounds: (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Luol Deng-255
Jahlil Okafor - 254
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

Thanks for updating. Here are the PPG and RPG necessary:

Games	PPG	RPG
5	34.800	10.400
6	29.000	8.667
7	24.857	7.429
8	21.750	6.500
9	19.333	5.778
10	17.400	5.200
11	15.818	4.727
12	14.500	4.333

[ksimp112]

After Saturdays game against the Cuse, which Okafor finished with 13 pts and 14 rebs.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Jahlil Okafor - 509
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Singler- 451


Rebounds: (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Jahlil Okafor - 268
Luol Deng-255
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

[94duke]

After Saturdays game against the Cuse, which Okafor finished with 13 pts and 14 rebs.

Points: (Duke)
Parker- 670
Banks - 581
Deng - 558
Rivers - 527
Jahlil Okafor - 509
Dawkins - 506
Redick- 495
J. Williams - 492
Singler- 451


Rebounds: (Duke)
Jabari Parker-306
Gene Banks-292
Mike Gminski-289
Jahlil Okafor - 268
Luol Deng-255
Shane Battier-230
Danny Ferry-221
Kenny Dennard-215
Carlos Boozer-213
Kyle Singler-198
Josh McRoberts-189

Thanks, again, for updating the numbers.
Here are the PPG and RPG:

Games	PPG	RPG
4	40.250	9.500
5	32.200	7.600
6	26.833	6.333
7	23.000	5.429
8	20.125	4.750
9	17.889	4.222
10	16.100	3.800
11	14.636	3.455

[tux]

Thanks, again, for updating the numbers.
Here are the PPG and RPG:

Games    PPG    RPG
4    40.250    9.500
5    32.200    7.600
6    26.833    6.333
7    23.000    5.429
8    20.125    4.750
9    17.889    4.222
10    16.100    3.800
11    14.636    3.455

Wow, Parker had a much better season than I actually remember. The Mercer loss must have clouded my memory. From this point in the season, Parker played in only 6 more games for Duke. Two more regular season games, three in the ACC tournament, and one NCAA game. Okafor would need 27ppg to get there. My guess is that he gets the rebounding mark but obviously ends up just short of Parker's points total. If he manages to beat the points total, it means the team made a very nice March run... (fingers crossed)

[flyingdutchdevil]

Wow, Parker had a much better season than I actually remember. The Mercer loss must have clouded my memory. From this point in the season, Parker played in only 6 more games for Duke. Two more regular season games, three in the ACC tournament, and one NCAA game. Okafor would need 27ppg to get there. My guess is that he gets the rebounding mark but obviously ends up just short of Parker's points total. If he manages to beat the points total, it means the team made a very nice March run... (fingers crossed)

Yeah. I just don't see how Okafor doesn't get the rebounding mark.

And he could break the scoring mark. Although that would be a product of Okafor being a beast and Duke getting far in the tournament. Fortunately, the two are interlinked.

[Travis]

Wow, Parker had a much better season than I actually remember.

Even if Okafor does not score more points, I think he has had a much better offensive season than Parker. I enjoyed Parker's play immensely, but Okafor is more dominant in my opinion. Okafor's lower scoring outputs have usually been associated with teams committing to double teaming him. And many teams have chosen to do so because he consistently scores when single-covered. Admittedly it is an eye test, but it seems to me that many more teams have game-planned specifically for Okafor than did so for Parker. Not to take away from Parker's accomplishments, but the fact that Okafor has a shot at scoring more points despite facing so much multiple coverage is a testament to how exceptional his offense has been.

And if he does not score more than Parker it will certainly be because of his inexplicable free throw shooting struggles for more than one reason. Frankly, if he can recover his High School touch from the charity stripe (70 percent his junior and senior years), I feel confident he will score the most points of any Freshman at Duke, noth because of the extra points per game and the likliehood he plays (many) more games.

Travis

[flyingdutchdevil]

Even if Okafor does not score more points, I think he has had a much better offensive season than Parker. I enjoyed Parker's play immensely, but Okafor is more dominant in my opinion. Okafor's lower scoring outputs have usually been associated with teams committing to double teaming him. And many teams have chosen to do so because he consistently scores when single-covered. Admittedly it is an eye test, but it seems to me that many more teams have game-planned specifically for Okafor than did so for Parker. Not to take away from Parker's accomplishments, but the fact that Okafor has a shot at scoring more points despite facing so much multiple coverage is a testament to how exceptional his offense has been.

And if he does not score more than Parker it will certainly be because of his inexplicable free throw shooting struggles for more than one reason. Frankly, if he can recover his High School touch from the charity stripe (70 percent his junior and senior years), I feel confident he will score the most points of any Freshman at Duke, noth because of the extra points per game and the likliehood he plays (many) more games.

Travis

Interesting point. I tend to agree, although my basis would be scarcity over effectiveness. Parker is a scoring machine at the forward position. He loves to face up. The last forward who comes to mind that can score like that is KD at Texas. And I guarantee there have probably been a few others since then. Maybe not as good, maybe better, but certainly comparable.

It's tough to compare Okafor: a monster in the paint who is effective with his back to the basket, doesn't like taking jump shots, and makes two-thirds of his shots. It's really unbelievable. Sullinger is often used as a college comp, but he only shot 54% during his freshman year (and 52% his sophomore year). Finding a player who ALWAYS commands a double team in college is very rare. Even Demarcus Cousins isn't that great of a comp.

[Olympic Fan]

Agree that it's not all about stats.

It should be noted that Jabari Parker was the first freshman in Duke and ACC history to be a consensus first-team All-American.

I think Okafor will match that ... if he can also add at least one recognized national player of the year award, that would take him to the next level.

BTW: just two previous Duke freshmen have been first-team All-ACC -- Austin Rivers in 2012 and Parker in 2014. Parker finished a distant second place (48-25) to TJ Warren for ACC player of the year. That's another place Okafor could go to the next level of he wins POY in the ACC.

One other potential landmark. I would argue that no other freshman has ever been the best payer on a Duke Final Four team, although Gene Banks in 1978 and Grant Hill in 1991 were pretty darn important. So were Christian Laettner in 1989 and Bobby Hurley in 1990.

But none of those were clearly Duke's best player ... as Okafor has been ... if he takes Duke that far.

[superdave]

But none of those were clearly Duke's best player ... as Okafor has been ... if he takes Duke that far.

Free throws...need to work on free throws to be the go-to guy.