UNC Athletics Scandal

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Wow!

Aren't you guys a little curious about from who this is coming from?

McAdoo, the guy who could have been a lottery pick had he come out his freshman year. Instead he stayed and his NBA stock regressed year after year, until he couldn't even get drafted.

That would make anybody unhappy, I imagine.

No NBA, no NBA money. Think maybe he's trying to cash out with this lawsuit?

It's not that McAdoo. It's a different one.

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"We didn't do anything wrong ... besides, everyone does it (offers fake classes)."

"We didn't do anything wrong ... pardon me while I write another check to a PR firm and refuse to cooperate with the Wainstein investigation."

[Henderson]

The proposed class is all North Carolina scholarship football players between 1993 and 2011.

Per CBS:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ademic-scandal

The lawsuit alleges North Carolina breached its contract with football players; violated the state's consumer protection law regarding unfair or deceptive acts or practices affecting commerce; and committed fraud by recruiting athletes through falsely representing they would receive a legitimate education if they enrolled as a football player. ...

The lawsuit states McAdoo is seeking "actual damages" for the class and "injunctive relief including, but not limited to, a court appointee reviewing the curriculum and course selection for all football student-athletes and the provision of four-year guaranteed scholarships to all football student-athletes going forward."

This could be why unc announced in July that all athletic scholarships will be guaranteed "for life," meaning any former scholarship athlete who didn't finish his or her degree may return to school. Kind of cuts through the actual damage argument.

If the complaint seeks class status for just football players, any basketball issues are probably going to be outside the scope of discovery. Bummer, but it probably does give McAdoo a greater chance of getting a class certified.

As for damages, it does seem a stretch if all the class members already have the right to go back and get ejukated. But even if the plaintiffs only got prospective injunctive relief, UNC-CH would still likely have to pay the plaintiffs' attorney fees.

[BD80]

It's not that McAdoo. It's a different one.

It's not that Michael McAdoo. It's a different one.

The FB player does not use the honorific "James" preceding his name. Or the BB player insists on the superfluous middle "Michael." You decide.

[duke79]

Imagine the fun of getting ol' roy to actually answer a question. He would likely vacillate from diatribe to self-pity, offering statements that were in no way responsive to the question. I picture a question being read back repeatedly, and roy and his attorneys, with straight faces, stating that the question was answered. Next step would be teleconference with judge or magistrate, resulting in instruction to ol' roy to answer. More obfuscation. Motion to compel with transcription of first deposition. Second deposition delayed by multiple delays due to "scheduling" conflicts, probably ending in ol' roy breaking down in tears, unable to continue. Another motion to compel (with request for sanctions).

After months and months:

Q: "Please state your name for the record"
A: "Roy Williams"

LOL, LOL.....so true. And this may be an optimistic view of what will happen !!

[jimsumner]

Today's (Saturday) News and Observer has the following teaser.

"Coming Sunday. More From UNC. The 2005 UNC championship basketball team was more involved in bogus classes than previously reported. Will the NCAA look? Page 1A."

FYI.

[Henderson]

It's not that McAdoo. It's a different one.

And what a pity so many people will confuse Michael McAdoo with James Michael McAdoo.

[CameronBornAndBred]

These big suits against state entities have lots of tricky places for an inexperienced team of lawyers to fall down, so I hope McAdoo brought the A team.

I don't often root for lawyers, but Go Team, Go!!

[Henderson]

Today's (Saturday) News and Observer has the following teaser.

"Coming Sunday. More From UNC. The 2005 UNC championship basketball team was more involved in bogus classes than previously reported. Will the NCAA look? Page 1A."

FYI.

With a teaser like that and a firm Saturday decision to run the story on 1A Sunday... gotta be good.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

The proposed class is all North Carolina scholarship football players between 1993 and 2011.

Per CBS:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ademic-scandal

The lawsuit alleges North Carolina breached its contract with football players; violated the state's consumer protection law regarding unfair or deceptive acts or practices affecting commerce; and committed fraud by recruiting athletes through falsely representing they would receive a legitimate education if they enrolled as a football player. ...

The lawsuit states McAdoo is seeking "actual damages" for the class and "injunctive relief including, but not limited to, a court appointee reviewing the curriculum and course selection for all football student-athletes and the provision of four-year guaranteed scholarships to all football student-athletes going forward."

This could be why unc announced in July that all athletic scholarships will be guaranteed "for life," meaning any former scholarship athlete who didn't finish his or her degree may return to school. Kind of cuts through the actual damage argument.

The real question is will this be a legitimate class? Or just another paper class... action suit.

[BD80]

With a teaser like that and a firm Saturday decision to run the story on 1A Sunday... gotta be good.

But Duke and State play football today! Shouldn't they have a shot at the front page?

[arnie]

But Duke and State play football today! Shouldn't they have a shot at the front page?

Even if Duke wins today, I'll gladly defer front page to more dirt on the corrupt heels. Besides, N&O strongly disparaging our right (in 2 articles) to play for ACC title this year as well as last year.

[Duvall]

And what a pity so many people will confuse Michael McAdoo with James Michael McAdoo.

Yes, that is a pity - Michael McAdoo was dismissed from the football for academic dishonesty, and there is no indication that James Michael McAdoo ever did anything of that sort. Were you being sarcastic?

[Saratoga2]

There were others who lost the opportunities to play for championships because they were enrolled in schools where cheating wasn't institutionalized. I am thinking of NC State, Duke, Wake, and other schools players. Small wonder that students at these schools feel that UNC should be penalized harshly. This will be a test of the NCAA's to see if they really can police college athletics.

[Henderson]

Yes, that is a pity - Michael McAdoo was dismissed from the football for academic dishonesty, and there is no indication that James Michael McAdoo ever did anything of that sort. Were you being sarcastic?

Well, I certainly wouldn't want people to think JMM was dismissed for academic dishonesty. He's a newlywed who unexpectedly finds himself playing for Santa Cruz in the D-League. I find myself pulling for him now that's he's out of that awful baby blue uniform.

But I don't mind the problems in the football program [reportedly] detailed in the complaint bleeding over to the basketball program in the public's mind. Not after all UNC-CH has done to deflect, misdirect, obfuscate, and excuse. And it's not like the issues in football and basketball are distinct silos of iniquity.

[martydoesntfoul]

[OldPhiKap: to be fair, that was Butch Davis's staff and not Roy's]

Yes OPK, did not mean to imply it was Roy. However, I am sure Roy made the same promises to the parents of his recruits, and that will ultimately be part of his undoing. You can't promise, not deliver, and then claim you had no idea. He's either not telling the truth or turned everything over to his minions whom he trusted. But even if the latter is true, he failed to deliver and he failed to lead. And if he had any decency (which if he does is obfuscated by his view of himself as a wonderful human being beyond reproach) he would exit now before this gets uglier. Which it will.

I really think he cares more about his legacy - and Dean's - than anything else.

[budwom]

Only UNC could screw multiple McAdoos...

[Duvall]

There were others who lost the opportunities to play for championships because they were enrolled in schools where cheating wasn't institutionalized. I am thinking of NC State, Duke, Wake, and other schools players. Small wonder that students at these schools feel that UNC should be penalized harshly. This will be a test of the NCAA's to see if they really can police college athletics.

Do they? I haven't heard much from students in this, aside from a bit at UNC.

[OldPhiKap]

[OldPhiKap: to be fair, that was Butch Davis's staff and not Roy's]

Yes OPK, did not mean to imply it was Roy. However, I am sure Roy made the same promises to the parents of his recruits, and that will ultimately be part of his undoing. You can't promise, not deliver, and then claim you had no idea. He's either not telling the truth or turned everything over to his minions whom he trusted. But even if the latter is true, he failed to deliver and he failed to lead. And if he had any decency (which if he does is obfuscated by his view of himself as a wonderful human being beyond reproach) he would exit now before this gets uglier. Which it will.

I really think he cares more about his legacy - and Dean's - than anything else.

As they say in my church -- Bingo!

[Kedsy]

Today's (Saturday) News and Observer has the following teaser.

"Coming Sunday. More From UNC. The 2005 UNC championship basketball team was more involved in bogus classes than previously reported. Will the NCAA look? Page 1A."

FYI.

Wow. I'm looking forward to hearing about this one.