Hazing Incident Injures unc FB player, Investigation Opened

[arnie]

Thanks Big Wayne. Wow. You have to wonder if the "leaders" over there have taken anything at all seriously over the last four years and counting. You would think at some point every coach employed over there is using a combination of begging these kids to walk the line daily and taking a hard line/zero tolerance policy for the mildest of transgressions. But no. Obviously not. The kids and leaders continue to do what they want when they want. That twitter read was unbelieveable. According to the brother, multiple players (way beyond 4 guys) beat the crap out of this kid in his room after pinning him down. Beat him to the point of knockout. That's not hazing. That's felony assault. Fedora knew the next day and did nada, nuttin, zippo until the day after the Pat Forde article.

Fedora is Carolina's dream coach - knows how to recruit, has no ethical standards, won't let academics get in the way of football. He'll go down screaming if Bubba tries to extend the suspensions.

[UrinalCake]

Victim's brother is stirring the pot. https://twitter.com/cbboyer

How long until UNC starts attacking the whistleblower? I hope the brother is ready to have his character slammed by UNC's PR department.

The most surprising part of the story to me is that the UNC defenders could actually hit someone hard enough to give him a concussion.

[ncexnyc]

How long until UNC starts attacking the whistleblower? I hope the brother is ready to have his character slammed by UNC's PR department.

The most surprising part of the story to me is that the UNC defenders could actually hit someone hard enough to give him a concussion.

Are you refering to page 56 of the UNC scandel playbook? The smear has already been tried. Earlier today when the brother was posting someone claimed Jackson had a history of violence and referenced an incident from last year. They are also claiming the kid thought he was Rudy and was showboating during practice.

[Reilly]

... The most surprising part of the story to me is that the UNC defenders could actually hit someone hard enough to give him a concussion.

I remember when off-field assaults involving Heels ended up with the Carolina players naked and cowering and the women in mugshots.

[sagegrouse]

How long until UNC starts attacking the whistleblower? I hope the brother is ready to have his character slammed by UNC's PR department.

The most surprising part of the story to me is that the UNC defenders could actually hit someone hard enough to give him a concussion.

I am sure UNC officials have already googled his tweets in an effort to prove they were plagiarized.

[blueduke59]

How long until UNC starts attacking the whistleblower? I hope the brother is ready to have his character slammed by UNC's PR department.

The most surprising part of the story to me is that the UNC defenders could actually hit someone hard enough to give him a concussion.

LOL. Not only do they attack the guy but it also happens to be someone who helps their GPA

[CameronBornAndBred]

Are you refering to page 56 of the UNC scandel playbook?

I'm assuming you copy and pasted that, and that is exactly how they printed the title up.

[JasonEvans]

They are also claiming the kid thought he was Rudy and was showboating during practice.

And I think any reasonable person would agree that the proper reaction to someone showboating is to gather a bunch of your large friends and beat the crap out of them so they sustain serious injuries. I mean, showboating is always punishable by concussion, right?

The hysterical part in all this is that some folks are trying to justify a gang beatdown... it does not matter what Jackson Boyer may have done in practice, beating him so bad that you send him to the hospital is not acceptable.

-Jason "so, Carolina will lose both starting cornerbacks and a backup CB for the opener with Liberty... if only they were playing someone decent these suspensions might matter" Evans

[sagegrouse]

-Jason "so, Carolina will lose both starting cornerbacks and a backup CB for the opener with Liberty... if only they were playing someone decent these suspensions might matter" Evans

If they were playing someone decent, the suspensions would not be levied.

[weezie]

For those of you in the area, what's the temperature of the locals? Are the hole fans just brushing off the "highjinks" as youthful silliness or has the victim been vilified?
Is anybody of any credible stature saying anything about how serious the allegations are?

Or am I just whistling in the wind....

[oldnavy]

For those of you in the area, what's the temperature of the locals? Are the hole fans just brushing off the "highjinks" as youthful silliness or has the victim been vilified?
Is anybody of any credible stature saying anything about how serious the allegations are?

Or am I just whistling in the wind....

UNC's reaction to ANY issue reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y

[arnie]

UNC's reaction to ANY issue reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8ajhu_e5Y

I'm hearing the walk-on had Rudy tendencies; therefore any punishment was observed. Bet the walk- on finds another school soon. Even a local ex-coach alluded to that this morning.

[oldnavy]

I'm hearing the walk-on had Rudy tendencies; therefore any punishment was observed. Bet the walk- on finds another school soon. Even a local ex-coach alluded to that this morning.

Just curious... would this be considered a "hate" crime???

Sounds like assault at best...

[moonpie23]

doesn't matter what comes out about UNC "investigations"



nothing will happen to them as a result...

[arnie]

Just curious... would this be considered a "hate" crime???

Sounds like assault at best...

My previous post should have said " punishment deserved". ( my i-phone thinks its smarter than me). Anyway, it should be assault but unless the kid goes to the DA, doubt we'll hear another word about this until the Rudy moves on.

[oldnavy]

My previous post should have said " punishment deserved". ( my i-phone thinks its smarter than me). Anyway, it should be assault but unless the kid goes to the DA, doubt we'll hear another word about this until the Rudy moves on.

For the prosecuting attorneys out there... does the victim in an assault case have to bring the case forward, or can the DA go with the hospital reports, etc...

I understand that we are talking about CH and the likelihood of anything remotely resembling an aggressive pursuit of the truth is just not going to happen... but does the DA need the victim to press charges??

Could this be prosecuted as a hate crime given the racial makeup of the victim and the assailants?

We all know that UNC will do nothing as evident by their past and how in this case the story didn't come out until the Yahoo article forced the issue...

I am sure the 4 players will learn from their mistakes and the shame and humiliation of missing that marquee matchup with Liberty. Maybe Fedora will run them after practice too?

[Henderson]

For the prosecuting attorneys out there... does the victim in an assault case have to bring the case forward, or can the DA go with the hospital reports, etc...

I understand that we are talking about CH and the likelihood of anything remotely resembling an aggressive pursuit of the truth is just not going to happen... but does the DA need the victim to press charges??

Could this be prosecuted as a hate crime given the racial makeup of the victim and the assailants?

We all know that UNC will do nothing as evident by their past and how in this case the story didn't come out until the Yahoo article forced the issue...

I am sure the 4 players will learn from their mistakes and the shame and humiliation of missing that marquee matchup with Liberty. Maybe Fedora will run them after practice too?

Unless the victim cooperates and is willing to testify, a DA won't prosecute except under very unusual circumstances. Technically, the crime can be proved without him/her, but DAs don't generally put themselves out on a limb. They know juries think, "If this happened, why isn't the so-called "victim" here?" An uncooperative victim can be subpoenaed, but the DA can't be sure what the testimony will be. Could be embarrassing. Maybe even the defense calls the "victim" who says nothing happened. Not good for an elected DA going after athletes on the local team.

The DA can't go forward with a hate crime charge unless there is evidence that race was a factor. The mere fact that the victim and perp(s) were of different races isn't sufficient.

A civil suit here would be fun, because the DA couldn't control the case and the standard of proof is lower (preponderance of the evidence vs. beyond a reasonable doubt). But a 20 year old kid suing his team mates for roughing him up would be unusual. He'd be blackballed and ostracized. Don't count a suit against UNC players ever happening from a Chapel Hill kid.

UNC needs some serious PR help. Any good PR advisor would tell them to get on top of a situation like this, scramble to occupy the high ground, be transparent, be tough on the perps, and squish the thing early by doing so. Put distance between the organization and the bad apples. The incompetence of the UNC administration on basics like those is an ongoing puzzlement.

[oldnavy]

Unless the victim cooperates and is willing to testify, a DA won't prosecute except under very unusual circumstances. Technically, the crime can be proved without him/her, but DAs don't generally put themselves out on a limb. They know juries think, "If this happened, why isn't the so-called "victim" here?" An uncooperative victim can be subpoenaed, but the DA can't be sure what the testimony will be. Could be embarrassing. Maybe even the defense calls the "victim" who says nothing happened. Not good for an elected DA going after athletes on the local team.

The DA can't go forward with a hate crime charge unless there is evidence that race was a factor. The mere fact that the victim and perp(s) were of different races isn't sufficient.

A civil suit here would be fun, because the DA couldn't control the case and the standard of proof is lower (preponderance of the evidence vs. beyond a reasonable doubt). But a 20 year old kid suing his team mates for roughing him up would be unusual. He'd be blackballed and ostracized. Don't count a suit against UNC players ever happening from a Chapel Hill kid.

UNC needs some serious PR help. Any good PR advisor would tell them to get on top of a situation like this, scramble to occupy the high ground, be transparent, be tough on the perps, and squish the thing early by doing so. Put distance between the organization and the bad apples. The incompetence of the UNC administration on basics like those is an ongoing puzzlement.

Good info... thanks.

I will not be surprised if this is just swept under the rug as well. The problem UNC has outside of the "family" is that no matter what the facts of the case are, they have lost the benefit of the doubt and are going to be presumed to be guilty of a cover up even if this turns out to be a lesser deal than it appears to be.

As far as race goes, it probably has little to nothing to do with this case. My guess is that it was a case of offensive player vs. defensive player(s) going at each other that took a turn for the worst and got out of hand...

It is just mind boggling however that UNC can't seem to get anything right... you'd think they'd learn that it pays to be proactive....

drip, drip, drip...

[Henderson]

One mistake Carolina is making here is treating this as an isolated incident, devoid of context. It may not be connected to the various issues the school has faced and continues to face. But to the rest of the world, this looks like a continuation of previous issues. They've allowed the story line to be, "ongoing problems within UNC athletics" and have no administrator looking at the big picture and taking control to say, "We're not putting up with this kind of thing, because it all besmirches the university at a time we don't need it."

[Thurber Whyte]

For the prosecuting attorneys out there... does the victim in an assault case have to bring the case forward, or can the DA go with the hospital reports, etc...

I understand that we are talking about CH and the likelihood of anything remotely resembling an aggressive pursuit of the truth is just not going to happen... but does the DA need the victim to press charges??

Could this be prosecuted as a hate crime given the racial makeup of the victim and the assailants?

We all know that UNC will do nothing as evident by their past and how in this case the story didn't come out until the Yahoo article forced the issue...

I am sure the 4 players will learn from their mistakes and the shame and humiliation of missing that marquee matchup with Liberty. Maybe Fedora will run them after practice too?

What Henderson said. Plus:

Crimes are wrongs against the sovereign while torts are wrongs committed against private citizens. The State is the complaining party in a criminal action and not the victim.

That said, police and prosecutors typically defer to the wishes of the victim in deciding whether to prosecute less serious offenses and, in any event, it is often difficult to go forward with a case if the victim does not cooperate.

I am not familiar with North Carolina’s laws on hate crimes, but they ordinarily require that antipathy based on race or some other enumerated characteristic be a motivating factor for the crime rather than merely the fact the victim is of a different race or status. Because proving motive is often difficult, hate crimes are rarely charged even when there is some evidence of such a motive.

I once had a case where the defendant robbed the victim at a car wash. While in jail, the defendant wrote the victim a long letter starting off, “Hi, my name is Dave. I am the guy who robbed you. How are you doing?” and then going on to talk about how sorry he was that he robbed him, how tough it was to be locked up away from his family, especially at Christmas and “Could you see your way to dropping the charges?” Poor Dave. Not only did he not know that victims lacked the power to drop charges. He also did not know about the party admission exception to the hearsay rule. The victim sent the letter straight to the police and it became Exhibit A against Dave at his subsequent trial, making his conviction a slam dunk.