UNC's McAdoo Enters Draft

[budwom]

For brief stretches he could look absolutely terrific, which is why many expected him to excel after his first year...instead he became even more inconsistent, shooting poorly from the field
and the line. Big time bust.

[brevity]

DraftExpress has JMMMMM going to the Sixers at #55. Also note that by this time the Sixers have already mock-drafted Joel Embiid, Doug McDermott, Mitch McGary, Patric Young, Russ Smith, and Keith Appling. It's good to be the 7th choice of the NBA's worst team.

Mods, can we rename this thread "The McAdoo Delusion"?

[OldPhiKap]

DraftExpress has JMMMMM going to the Sixers at #55. Also note that by this time the Sixers have already mock-drafted Joel Embiid, Doug McDermott, Mitch McGary, Patric Young, Russ Smith, and Keith Appling. It's good to be the 7th choice of the NBA's worst team.

Mods, can we rename this thread "The McAdoo Delusion"?

Maybe he's getting out of town before the sanctions fall.


Oh wait, that's the "NCAA Gives A Rip" Delusion

[CDu]

For brief stretches he could look absolutely terrific, which is why many expected him to excel after his first year...instead he became even more inconsistent, shooting poorly from the field
and the line. Big time bust.

I don't think he became more inconsistent. I think he was always that inconsistent. It is just that limited minutes (and limited responsibility in those limited minutes) tend to mask that inconsistency.

As a freshman, he never had to take a tough shot because the team had tons of better scoring options. Basically, all he did as a freshman was get breakaway dunks, putback dunks, and the occasional dimes from Marshall for easy layups/dunks. I said after his freshman year that I don't remember him making a single successful post move or a jumpshot outside of 5 feet in that entire season.

Moving into an expanded role where the team actually looked to him to create offense, he struggled. He had no jumpshot, no change of direction off the dribble, and couldn't adjust to defense when help came. If he could get an unimpeded run at the rim, he would look dynamite. But even the slightest opposition made him look really clumsy and awkward. I will say that he improved his play this year. He still is a terrible shooter, but he was a bit better from 10-12 feet this year than last year (when he would regularly miss by 2-3 feet). He made better decisions with the ball as well and drew tons of fouls.

I think it would have made sense for him to come back for his senior year. If he could show as much improvement next year as he did this year, he might have put himself back in the first round discussion. As is, he'll be lucky to be a first-rounder.

[BD80]

DraftExpress has JMMMMM going to the Sixers at #55. Also note that by this time the Sixers have already mock-drafted Joel Embiid, Doug McDermott, Mitch McGary, Patric Young, Russ Smith, and Keith Appling. It's good to be the 7th choice of the NBA's worst team.

Mods, can we rename this thread "The McAdoo Delusion"?

McAdoolusion?

Frankly, a 2nd round pick on a team with a weak bench might be a blessing for JMM. It seems JMM is a high character guy who needs to add bulk - being inactive at the end of the bench for a year or two might benefit him. A team with a high price starting line-up that relies on minimum salary bench players might also be a good place for him.

[eddiehaskell]

I'm not sure what some people were watching here but McAdoo was really good in some big games for unc. He had:

20/5 vs UK
22/7 vs Clemson
24/12 vs Pitt
16/10 vs Prov
10/10 vs Duke
16/13 vs NCSU
15/9 vs Cuse

He was bad at the beginning of the year - specifically against MSU and Louisville, but since around January I'd say he was their 2nd best player. It's crazy to say losing him doesn't hurt unc.

[jv001]

I don't think he became more inconsistent. I think he was always that inconsistent. It is just that limited minutes (and limited responsibility in those limited minutes) tend to mask that inconsistency.

As a freshman, he never had to take a tough shot because the team had tons of better scoring options. Basically, all he did as a freshman was get breakaway dunks, putback dunks, and the occasional dimes from Marshall for easy layups/dunks. I said after his freshman year that I don't remember him making a single successful post move or a jumpshot outside of 5 feet in that entire season.

Moving into an expanded role where the team actually looked to him to create offense, he struggled. He had no jumpshot, no change of direction off the dribble, and couldn't adjust to defense when help came. If he could get an unimpeded run at the rim, he would look dynamite. But even the slightest opposition made him look really clumsy and awkward. I will say that he improved his play this year. He still is a terrible shooter, but he was a bit better from 10-12 feet this year than last year (when he would regularly miss by 2-3 feet). He made better decisions with the ball as well and drew tons of fouls.

I think it would have made sense for him to come back for his senior year. If he could show as much improvement next year as he did this year, he might have put himself back in the first round discussion. As is, he'll be lucky to be a first-rounder.

I guess you could say JMM on a very good team would be a role player. He averaged just short of 15 ppg and was UNC's first or second scoring option this season, Paige really being number 1. So, yes he was overrated if you look at his recruitment coming out of high school or you could say old Roy can't develop players. GoDuke!

[gumbomoop]

It's crazy to say losing him doesn't hurt unc.

The key issue is much more PT for Brice Johnson, a much steadier player, dependable go-to move and shot, excellent shot-blocker. Johnson's talent merits 28-30 mpg, which won't happen as long as JMM still around.

So in some ways it will hurt them, but overall -- including additional minutes for other talented guys -- it might be a plus.

[Kedsy]

As a freshman, he never had to take a tough shot because the team had tons of better scoring options. Basically, all he did as a freshman was get breakaway dunks, putback dunks, and the occasional dimes from Marshall for easy layups/dunks.

Which made his 43.4% FG percentage as a freshman all the more remarkable.

[toooskies]

To be honest, I think they could potentially be better without him. Johnson just strikes me as a better rebounder and scorer, and if he adds some muscle this offseason, he could be a beast next year. I see him stepping in and UNC not skipping a beat. They can easily absorb this loss, and with Paige, Meeks, and the talented freshmen class coming in, they will still top 5 in the nation.

Any time you can take a high-usage, low-results player like McAdoo and take him off the court, you're going to get better. His TS% was under 50%. He drew a lot of fouls but couldn't convert the free throws. Replace JMM with any McDonald's AA freshman and you'll probably get better results out of the team. His mediocre numbers are a result of minutes and expectations, as were his all-conference team rankings.

Definitely a case of addition by subtraction.

[Vanceman201]

First off...I'm 60 yoa and have been a Heels fan for 50 of that.

Shockingly, for some, I don't hate Duke. My thinking has always been that your athletes, going to
such a prestigious institution -- surely had to show up for class. I believe Coach K has recruited upstanding
players...and he kept his program's expectations high.
UNC's challenges in that regard (at least in football) were sickening. I hope the future will put us back on the right track.

For many years several of my buddies and I have gathered for Heels games.
This year, with all the additions to the ACC...we found ourselves pulling for Duke in games against the
newbies. And, certainly, in the NCAA Tourney...we were behind the ACC all the way.

We were torn all year concerning JMM's inconsistent play. We never could finger a cause. Was it personal
drive? Coaching? Lack of commitment at all times? Eventually, we came to expect the unexpected. He could
be hot/get hot or he could show up 80%. Toward the end of the season we all agreed that if he went NBA...good luck
young man...let's see what Johnson, etc...can do. I want to make it clear that we really like this young man on a personal
level and admit that he could have been a big-time star next year.

One thing all of our group expects is all-out, gut-checking effort and smart play at all times. We always see that in Duke and most
other teams and we usually have that. This group, especially JMM, seemed to leave us short too many times.
The most frustrating thing was to see us get behind, sometimes far behind, with no apparent uptick in playing with urgency.
JMM was the ring leader...in our minds of this less than totally committed play.

As for Jabari. Well, as a Heels fan...if he leaves we won't shed tears obviously. He was and would be even more a thorn in our side. That being said...
Jabari, the human being/the student, always impressed me as being just a top notch young man. I never observed him over-celebrate...no
display of unsportsmanlike conduct in any way. So, as a person, I/we became very fond of him. We like to see people like this get all the
good things they've worked for and deserve. To that point, I can see that Jabari might just like the college experience...and may decide to
put the NBA off one more year. I would just hope he'd have a great year and stay healthy. If he does return...well, we'll just have to deal with it.

[OldPhiKap]

^^^ Great post, thanks.

Duke and Carolina will both compete for the title next year, regardless of NBA issues.

[Reilly]

... Oh wait, that's the "NCAA Gives A Rip" Delusion

Roy's *always* in the dadgum let's-pretend-we-care-but-don't-really-do-anything-just-like-the-NCAA spirit.

[The Gordog]

Can he take Paige with him?

Paige makes my blood boil for 2 reasons:

1) He's insanely talented
2) He is a super likable player. And he makes me hate UNC just a little bit less...

Infinity -x is still infinity, ("it is the concept of that which is unbounded. As such, it cannot be altered by adding and subtracting 1" or any real number for that matter.) That must be why I have not noticed a reduction in my hatred.

[mccollums]

Infinity -x is still infinity, ("it is the concept of that which is unbounded. As such, it cannot be altered by adding and subtracting 1" or any real number for that matter.) That must be why I have not noticed a reduction in my hatred.

I didn't watch a ton of UNC this season. How did Isaiah Hicks look? If he's ready to step up and contribute I would think UNC would use Hicks/Johnson/Meeks at the 4/5 next season.

As for Paige, I think he's exceeded everyone's expectations with his play. How much better do you think he can get? UNC needs other players to step up and take the burden off of Paige. As good as Paige is, he's still a little undersized which increases the difficulty of this shots when being defended by long and athletic teams. UNC's top 3 scorers shot 44,46,38%. They will need to improve this to reach elite status next season.

[Bob Green]

Roy will have a very interesting team next year to watch.
Just some of the possibilities I'm looking forward to seeing...

Britt, Paige, Tokoto, Johnson, Meeks...(my bet to start the season).

If Britt starts over Berry, I hope Berry transfers at Christmas. Seriously, Coach Williams needs to hand Berry the keys to the car while simultaneously unleashing Paige as full time shooting guard. Geez, you would think even Huck would be smart enough to learn from the mistakes he has made in the past not starting talented freshmen such as Marshall and Hairston.

As far as JMM goes, Carolina would be better with him, but they will be just fine without him. The Tar Heels are going to be a deep talented team in 2014/15.

[jipops]

If Britt starts over Berry, I hope Berry transfers at Christmas. Seriously, Coach Williams needs to hand Berry the keys to the car while simultaneously unleashing Paige as full time shooting guard. Geez, you would think even Huck would be smart enough to learn from the mistakes he has made in the past not starting talented freshmen such as Marshall and Hairston.

As far as JMM goes, Carolina would be better with him, but they will be just fine without him. The Tar Heels are going to be a deep talented team in 2014/15.

Well Roy might start with Britt but as the season goes on I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry take his spot. I was also very much impressed with BerryII in the McD-A game. Britt was pretty solid as a distributor the 2nd half of the season though. The heels definitely have some nice options in the back court. The real stud in their class is Jackson though. What an offensive force that kid is going to be. He has a very quick release on his shot and with that length it's an almost un-guardable shot. He definitely gives the heels a versatile option as well.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

If Britt starts over Berry, I hope Berry transfers at Christmas. Seriously, Coach Williams needs to hand Berry the keys to the car while simultaneously unleashing Paige as full time shooting guard. Geez, you would think even Huck would be smart enough to learn from the mistakes he has made in the past not starting talented freshmen such as Marshall and Hairston.

As far as JMM goes, Carolina would be better with him, but they will be just fine without him. The Tar Heels are going to be a deep talented team in 2014/15.

I'm always leery of freshmen hype, and I haven't seen enough of Berry to make me think he'll start over Britt. It definitely could happen if he's "all that", but what little I saw at the MDAA game leads me to believe he's certainly a good player, but I didn't see exceptional.

I only trust what I see with my own eyes, not HS recruiting "experts". I've seen too many over hyped head scratchers over the years...what I know is I liked what I saw from Britt this season. He was quick, played good D, had a tight handle, and was relatively steady in his decision making for a freshman. I particularly liked his body language every game. He always looked focused. Even when he made mistakes, he came right back at it the next play. He was mentally tough and I like that at the point. He made some pressure FT's this season. He didn't have that bad a looking shot, it just didn't go in that often and he was disciplined all season to not take too many bad ones. He needs to continue to work on his shot, and he knows it. He'll also need to finish stronger at the rim, and as he gets stronger I think he will. He can take defenders off the dribble, but he's not going to be a "scoring" PG. He just has to make the plays that come his way to keep teams honest. He's going to keep getting better.

I like Paige at the 2g as well, but I like him at point better. If Tokoto can improve his outside shot to the 37--38% range from 3, I think he can play 2g and be a matchup nightmare for 2g defenders, leaving Paige at PG...while opening up the WF spot for another scorer like Jackson to go along with two of Johnson/Hicks/Meeks at PF/C.

Again, lots of options for Roy with talented, versatile players and it will have to play out in practice to see who fits best where.

[ncexnyc]

When the young man should or shouldn’t have declared is open for debate. I’m sure we can all agree after his freshman season he was an extremely hot commodity due to his potential. Of course many of us realized the kid had holes in his game, but again I would say we all agreed he should have made more progress in filling some of those holes than he has.

Personally I believe he should stay for his final season. A look at numerous mock drafts shows him being selected late in the second round. So as the old saying goes, “In for a penny, in for a pound” his stock can’t drop much lower. And this draft is heavy with SF’s and PF’s.

As for the UNC team, I’ve seen some claim this is addition by subtraction, but I can’t agree with this. While they do have players who could possibly step in and provide better play than JMM did, that is speculation. JMM while never living up to the hype, wasn’t exactly a bum.

Meeks has potential, but what kind of shape will he get himself into before the season starts? I also think this kid is a bit of a head case. In the games I saw him play, if he got off to a good start then all was fine, however a bad play or two and things would rapidly fall apart and he’d sit for the rest of the game. The duo of James and Hubert are nothing to write home about and pretty much put to bed the myth that UNC can develop great big men.

Johnson is a very good player and should now be able to devote his full time to the PF spot and Hicks has a ton of upside, but then so did JMM. A lot of people talk about Johnson being a great defender, but there’s a huge difference getting your blocks while providing offside help, as opposed to getting them when your mano y mano.

At the very least JMM would be the proverbial safety net for the UNC team, even if he didn’t improve his game one iota. I'm happy to see him go.

[UrinalCake]

There's really only one appropriate, mature response to this news to offer our Tar Heel friends:







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