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    The 2013 Bowl Selection Vigil

    The boys still have business to take care of, and it's way too early to project how the middle of the ACC pack will shake out over the next several weeks. However, bowl projections are beginning to proliferate, and as the season enters the stretch run, I thought it would be interesting to take a look at where we stand.
    With several middle-of-the-road ACC teams beating up on each other (for example, Wake over the Twerps on Saturday), there look to be a lot of 6-win teams out of the ACC by season's end...perhaps as many as 10. That leaves Duke on the cusp of bowl eligibility, yet still out in the cold in several bowl projections. For example, ESPN's Mark Schlabach, generally a pretty respected voice, has no room for Duke in his latest bowl projections. Jerry Palm at CBS Sports likewise has the Devils on the outside looking in right now (he does, however, find room for the currently 1-5 heels in the Military Bowl vs. Tulsa).
    On the other hand, ESPN's Brad Edwards (same link as Schlabach above) has us slated for the AdvoCare V100 Used-to-be-Independence Bowl vs. Vanderbilt, which would be a fun matchup.
    Heather Dinich, ESPN's ACC beat writer, who probably pays closer attention to the ACC from top to bottom than any of these other prognosticators, has us back in the Belk Bowl (no opponent specified).

    Again, I know it's still pretty early and that a lot of questions will work themselves out; I just think it's interesting to take a look at the current conversation. Plus it's fun to wonder about bowl destinations after all of our years of languishing in the wilderness. Overall, I think there's little danger that a bowl-eligible Duke team would be wholly passed over, but this is a good reminder that there's work yet to be done. This is but one more reason that I like the team and coaching staff's comments about aiming higher than mere bowl eligibility, for a stronger finish to the season than we had last year...we just might need it.

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    ACC Expansion vs. ACC Bowl Expansion

    With the ACC adding new members 'Cuse and Pitt, did the ACC pick up any more bowl slots? If not, seems like expansion from a "making bowls" perspective is certainly a negative for the ACC and more specifically Duke who may be one of the teams typically "on the border." I had thought the ACC picked up a new bowl a couple years ago - the Military Bowl if I'm recalling correctly. Certainly, this predicament is a good reason Duke fans should be cheering for FSU to make the national championship game - to possibly open up another bowl slot for Duke. Hopefully, we get to (at least) 7 wins to make it a moot point!

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    Personally I think the Belk Bowl is a pretty ideal one for us to hope for. It is not so far away that our small fanbase would have a lot of difficulty getting to it, the matchup against the AAC is one that we could be competitive in, and it's typically the week after Christmas when many people have availability to travel. I worry about us going to a bowl in Louisiana and trying to fill the stands to any noticeable capacity.
    "There can BE only one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Personally I think the Belk Bowl is a pretty ideal one for us to hope for. It is not so far away that our small fanbase would have a lot of difficulty getting to it, the matchup against the AAC is one that we could be competitive in, and it's typically the week after Christmas when many people have availability to travel. I worry about us going to a bowl in Louisiana and trying to fill the stands to any noticeable capacity.
    This is a good thought, but remember, the bowls are at least as much about television as they are about ticket sales. The Belk people were smart to place that bowl in Charlotte, because they have their TV contract and a near-annual in on a strong showing from Duke/Wake/State/unc (and even to a lesser extent, Clemson and GA Tech, both within about a 3-hour drive of the game). However, this is the exception to the rule when it comes to lesser bowl games. I don't really think, say, State or carolina would be demonstrably more likely than Duke to travel en masse to Shreveport. The same goes for El Paso...my understanding is that Sun Bowl officials have long since resigned themselves to light crowds and they make their money from ESPN. I've seen more than one very paltry crowd sitting in a snowy West Texas stadium watching Tech play whomever on New Year's Eve afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    This is a good thought, but remember, the bowls are at least as much about television as they are about ticket sales. The Belk people were smart to place that bowl in Charlotte, because they have their TV contract and a near-annual in on a strong showing from Duke/Wake/State/unc (and even to a lesser extent, Clemson and GA Tech, both within about a 3-hour drive of the game). However, this is the exception to the rule when it comes to lesser bowl games. I don't really think, say, State or carolina would be demonstrably more likely than Duke to travel en masse to Shreveport. The same goes for El Paso...my understanding is that Sun Bowl officials have long since resigned themselves to light crowds and they make their money from ESPN. I've seen more than one very paltry crowd sitting in a snowy West Texas stadium watching Tech play whomever on New Year's Eve afternoon.
    Remember, Belk took us last year. The Herald Sun beatwriter reported on twitter:

    @stevewisemanNC:
    @thedevilwolf Don't count on it. I've been told Belk not likely to take Duke 2 years in a row.
    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Good points here and throughout the thread.
    Bear in mind that if there's a logjam at 6 or 7 wins, Maryland is likely to be one of the teams clogging the works. Call me crazy, but I'd think the folks in the league office (who do play a fairly important role in bowl placement conversations) would much rather have Duke earn a second straight bowl bid than find a spot for the departing Twerps.
    Again, I really don't think it's going to come down to any of this, as these would-be doomsday scenarios almost never come to pass. It's just liable to be a very interesting conversation in the coming weeks.
    This is true, but it's possible for there to be TWO extra teams - that's what the ACC blog on ESPN has.

    I think one or two of the 3-3 teams will collapse to make the situation clearer, but we'll see. Duke can only assure itself a bowl by going 8-4, although 7-5 with a win over Wake or UNC likely removes at least one other bowl contender.
    <devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
    7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
    7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
    7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
    7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink

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    Quote Originally Posted by loran16 View Post
    Remember, Belk took us last year. The Herald Sun beatwriter reported on twitter:

    @stevewisemanNC:

    @thedevilwolf Don't count on it. I've been told Belk not likely to take Duke 2 years in a row.
    Right, I remember. I was in the stadium that night (the coldest live sporting event I've ever attended). My point was less about the Belk Bowl though, and more about the AdvoCareWhatevertheHeck and Sun Bowls. Those bowls, in Shreveport and El Paso respectively, are in my opinion unlikely to choose any ACC team based on an expectation of strong in-person attendance. The bowls aren't prominent enough and the destinations aren't exciting enough to reasonably expect Tobacco Road fans to travel ~1000 miles to Shreveport or ~1800(!!) miles to El Paso. Duke's perceived lack of traveling strength would, in my opinion, be a minor consideration with regard to either of those possible bowls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson View Post
    Right, I remember. I was in the stadium that night (the coldest live sporting event I've ever attended). My point was less about the Belk Bowl though, and more about the AdvoCareWhatevertheHeck and Sun Bowls. Those bowls, in Shreveport and El Paso respectively, are in my opinion unlikely to choose any ACC team based on an expectation of strong in-person attendance. The bowls aren't prominent enough and the destinations aren't exciting enough to reasonably expect Tobacco Road fans to travel ~1000 miles to Shreveport or ~1800(!!) miles to El Paso. Duke's perceived lack of traveling strength would, in my opinion, be a minor consideration with regard to either of those possible bowls.
    True for Shreveport, not true for Sun. Remember, Sun is ACC 4. If we have only 1 BCS bowl, that means it likely will pick VT or Miami, since both are near guaranteed to be 8-4, and an 8-4 or better team cannot be gipped. (Probably VT, as Russell Athletic would prefer Miami duh).

    It's also possible for there to be more 8-4 teams, though it is unlikely.

    Duke's been projected frequently in the military bowl, which makes sense unless the team is 8-4.
    <devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
    7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
    7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
    7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
    7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink

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    Florida State making it to the title game would free up another bowl bid for the ACC.

    So, go 'Noles.

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    extra spot

    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Florida State making it to the title game would free up another bowl bid for the ACC.

    So, go 'Noles.
    It's not just FSU getting to the title game ... if the ACC puts two in the BCS, that opens up a 10th ACC bid. We did that in 2011 -- Clemson in the Orange ... Va Tech in the Sugar. It could easily happen this year -- if Clemson wins out, the Tigers would be a very attractive BCS team although they have little chance of winning the ACC and playing in the Orange Bowl (FSU would have to lose twice).

    But all this concern is needless. The big question is whether Duke gets to six wins. Do that and Duke will be in a bowl -- 100 percent guaranteed. The ACC WILL find spots for all bowl eligible teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    It's not just FSU getting to the title game ... if the ACC puts two in the BCS, that opens up a 10th ACC bid. We did that in 2011 -- Clemson in the Orange ... Va Tech in the Sugar. It could easily happen this year -- if Clemson wins out, the Tigers would be a very attractive BCS team although they have little chance of winning the ACC and playing in the Orange Bowl (FSU would have to lose twice).

    But all this concern is needless. The big question is whether Duke gets to six wins. Do that and Duke will be in a bowl -- 100 percent guaranteed. The ACC WILL find spots for all bowl eligible teams.
    Miami could also be an attractive option for the Orange Bowl, particularly if their one loss happens to a team in the national championship game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    Miami could also be an attractive option for the Orange Bowl, particularly if their one loss happens to a team in the national championship game.
    Well, in that scenario they would have lost to FSU twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Well, in that scenario they would have lost to FSU twice.
    Ah, good point. I wasn't sure how the tiebreaker worked between VT and Miami, should Miami beat VT but have a conference loss to FSU while VT is otherwise clean.

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    tiebreaker

    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    Ah, good point. I wasn't sure how the tiebreaker worked between VT and Miami, should Miami beat VT but have a conference loss to FSU while VT is otherwise clean.
    Ah ... I was a little late.

    But just to clarify -- the first tiebreaker is always head-to-head. It's only when there are multiple teams tied (with even head to head records) that things like division record come into play.

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    Just received from GoDuke:

    Duke Football is Bowl Eligible...Again!

    On the strength of its 13-10 victory at No. 14 Virginia Tech on Saturday, the Duke Football team became bowl-eligible for the second consecutive season! Fans interested in following the Blue Devils to their bowl destination may register for tickets on GoDuke.com/tickets or by calling 919-681-BLUE.

    Last season, Duke had a terrific turnout at the Belk Bowl in Charlotte, selling more tickets to its bowl game than any other school in the Atlantic Coast Conference. We hope to keep that tradition alive this season! Certainly, we thank all of you in advance for your support of Duke Football.

    Fans can select the game(s) they would be willing to travel to from the list of potential bowls based on the ACC's bowl partnerships listed below, and register via credit card. Once the Blue Devils are selected for their bowl destination, the ticket order will automatically be charged to that specific bowl. All other bowl games that fans have selected will be released at no charge.

    No refunds will be available once a site has been selected. Ticket seating will be based on Iron Duke priority with all fans who register before November 30th gaining a higher seating priority than those who register after that date. The ACC and the bowl sites will officially announce bids on December 8.

    Duke Bowl Options
    Follow the Blue Devils to one of these great bowl sites!

    * Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl
    When: December 27, 2013
    Where: San Francisco, CA
    Ticket Price Range: $25 - $85

    Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman
    When: December 27, 2013
    Where: Annapolis, MD
    Ticket Price Range: $20 - $75

    Belk Bowl
    When: December 28, 2013
    Where: Charlotte, NC
    Ticket Price Range: $45 - $100

    Russell Athletic Bowl
    When: December 28, 2013
    Where: Orlando, FL
    Ticket Price Range: $77 - $82

    Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl
    When: December 30, 2013
    Where: Nashville, TN
    Ticket Price Range: $61 - $81

    Advocare V100 Bowl
    When: December 31, 2013
    Where: Shreveport, LA
    Ticket Price Range: $37 - $47

    Hyundai Sun Bowl
    When: December 31, 2013
    Where: El Paso, TX
    Ticket Price Range: $40 - $60

    Chick-Fil-A Bowl
    When: December 31, 2013
    Where: Atlanta, GA
    Ticket Price Range: $80 - $90

    Discover Orange Bowl
    When: January 3, 2014
    Where: Miami Gardens, FL
    Ticket Price Range: $75 - $250

    * - conditional agreement to select an ACC team if BYU or a Pac-12 team is unavailable.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    Thanks. Military Bowl tickets ordered.

    I also picked up tickets for Kenan, cheap.

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    FSU 7-0 (5-0) [miami, @wfu, syr, idaho, @uf]
    Mia 7-0 (3-0) [@fsu, vt, @duke, uva, @pitt]

    Clem 7-1 (5-1) [@uva, gt, citadel, @socar]

    VT 6-2 (3-1) [@bc, @mia, md, @uva]
    Duke 6-2 (2-2) [ncsu, miami, @wfu, @unc]

    GT 5-3 (4-2) [pitt, @clemson, ala&m, uga]
    MD 5-3 (1-3) [syr, @vt, bc, @ncsu]
    Pitt 4-3 (2-2) [@gt, nd, unc, @syr, miami]

    WFU 4-4 (2-3) [@syr, fsu, duke, @vandy]
    Syr 3-4 (1-2) [wfu, @md, @fsu, pitt, bc]
    BC 3-4 (1-3) [vt, @nmst, ncsu, @md, @syr]
    State 3-4 (0-4) [unc, @duke, @bc, ecu, md]

    UNC 2-5 (1-3) [@ncsu, uva, @pitt, odu, duke]

    UVA 2-6 (0-4) [clemson, @unc, @miami, vt]

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    This is just more evidence of how life is harder if you're a little private school like us. How many people do we have who are going to blindly buy, say, six bowl tickets without even knowing where the bowl is?

    Say you're Alabama. If you're in the championship game, you'll go anywhere--you're in the championship. If you somehow manage to lose twice, you're in the Sugar, which is a quick jaunt down I-59. If you somehow do worse than that, which you won't, you'll be in some other bowl in the SEC footprint. You know how the Gator is a major score for us in the ACC? In the SEC, it's where you go when you're Mississippi State and you manage to have just a four or five-loss season.

    If you're Duke, yikes. We sold like 4000 to the HOF Bowl in Tampa in the 1994 season, I'm told. Belk was a lot better. Closer. 20K? A little more? But the game being anywhere other than Military, Belk, ChikFilA, or Music City is basically a deal breaker. I think I have voiced my reverence for the Sun Bowl. Duke ain't proppin up no Sun Bowl.

    Me, I'm rooting for Music City. Nashy is on my way back to the Midwest from Christmas.

    I know Belk doesn't want us twice, but I wonder if they might capitulate if all the other NC schools aren't eligible, UVA isn't eligible, GT and VT and Clemson are too good...I think Charlotte and suddenly somewhat competitive Duke football might be a match made in the Piedmont.

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    GT defeats Pitt, 21-10. Go Tigers.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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    The NBC News election desk has called tonight's game for FSU. Again, we are projecting FSU as the winner of tonight's game with 35/49ths of the points scored ...

    FSU 8-0 (6-0) [@wfu, syr, idaho, @uf]

    Clem 8-1 (6-1) [gt, citadel, @socar]
    Mia 7-1 (3-1) [vt, @duke, uva, @pitt]

    Duke 6-2 (2-2) [ncsu, miami, @wfu, @unc]

    VT 6-3 (3-2) [@mia, md, @uva]
    GT 6-3 (5-2) [@clemson, ala&m, uga]
    MD 5-3 (1-3) [syr, @vt, bc, @ncsu]

    Syr 4-4 (2-2) [@md, @fsu, pitt, bc]
    BC 4-4 (2-3) [@nmst, ncsu, @md, @syr]
    Pitt 4-4 (2-3) [nd, unc, @syr, miami]

    WFU 4-5 (2-4) [fsu, duke, @vandy]
    UNC 3-5 (2-3) [uva, @pitt, odu, duke]
    State 3-5 (0-5) [@duke, @bc, ecu, md]
    ____________________________________________

    UVA 2-7 (0-5) [@unc, @miami, vt]



    The Road to Charlotte:

    Mia 3-1 [vt, @duke, uva, @pitt]
    GT 5-2 [@clemson]
    VT 3-2 [@mia, md, @uva]
    Duke 2-2 [ncsu, miami, @wfu, @unc]
    Pitt 2-3 [unc, @syr, miami]
    UNC 2-3 [uva, @pitt, duke]
    UVA 0-5 [@unc, @miami, vt]

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    So basically, Clemson over GT is a must-win for Duke.

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    ---Roger Ebert


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    Who’s gonna bury who
    We need a love like Johnny, Johnny and June
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