I find this thread... weird. I hope we don't get in the habit of tracking recruits who went elsewhere and reveling in their lack of PT, PPG, RPG or whatever other metric we can find to make ourselves feel good that we missed. Fact remains, these were recruits that K and staff felt were strong enough to recruit - and in some cases recruit very hard. It's very easy to look back now with hindsight (although, can you call just 4-5 games hindsight?) and say that it's a good thing we missed. Will we be saying that 3 months from now? Who knows. But it just seems really shortsighted, smells of sour grapes, and, well, doesn't do much to promote good karma. Lots of people (including recruits I bet) read these boards. I know we haven't said anything mean about them. But it just doesn't feel right, and I think we're better than this. Especially when we have so many positive things to focus on right now. Just one man's view of things.
<devildeac> anyone playing drinking games by now?
7:49:36<Wander> drink every qb run?
7:49:38<loran16> umm, drink every time asack rushes?
7:49:38<wolfybeard> @devildeac: drink when Asack runs a keeper
7:49:39 PM<CB&B> any time zack runs, drink
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For those two reasons, I am comfortable with this thread. That said, at some point, the thread should die out (we should not do this all season), and to your main point, threads like this should not become a trend.
I do think it is very fair though to point out that Parker is not an impact player right now, and would not have been no matter which BCS School he chose. But for me, I thought that was painfully obvious watching the higher level All Star games.
"[T]he tarnished Tar Heels that bear little resemblance to the revered program built by Dean Smith."- Ashville Times
"UNC and the NCAA are trying to conceal that the fraud was specifically designed to pad the transcripts of varsity athletes" - Bloomberg
ETA: Newton 14 summed this up as well.
As much as we all think Calipari is a sleeze, I think how terribly UCLA has played in the past couple games has shown it really takes a good coach to bring the best out of a group of talented freshmen. Maybe its because he has to mix freshmen and upperclassmen but it seems pretty obvious that Ben Howland is just not up to the job. Unfortunately, I'm a bit scared of how teams like UCLA and Baylor are not getting the best performances out of their freshmen because it gives Cal an even better sales pitch. Ready or not, why take the risk of going anywhere else when Cal will get you in the draft after 1 year.
I'm not comparing him to coach K by any means but if I really wanted to goto the NBA after 1 year, I would definitely be looking at the results from this year.
Cal Poly is a public engineering school in the Cal system, but it is not to be confused with Cal Tech, which is a private research university that is among the finest engineering schools in the world(I had a student actually get recruited to play there... in the midst of their 30+ game losing streak, the coach at the time was at least in good humor about the quality, or lack thereof, of their Division III squad... my student opted to try to walk on at Princeton instead).
Anywho, Ben Howland's days are numbered in Westwood. He is a terrible coach who can a) recruit well and b) relies on his recruits to play the game. If the recruits aren't disciplined (Reeves Nelson and Josh Smith being the most obvious cases in point), the team isn't going to function. For Wooden's sake, I really hope that Howland is gone. He is a disgrace to that program.
On another note, I think that ripping on recruits because they didn't choose Duke is poor form. Yes, I understand that Tony Parker had a self-obsessed news conference to announce his school, but he's 18! I made a lot more dumb decisions as an 18 year old! And, would I want TP to be on our team? I actually would, but not because he would contribute this year. Next year, we're thin at the 4/5 (from a bulk perspective). Tony wouldn't play this year, but a year of practice would turn him into a really good contributor next year. I hope Tony does well - I really do. And I'm sure that he'll eat up Josh Smith's minutes as Josh Smith eats up the Chinese buffet.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill
President of the "Nolan Smith Should Have His Jersey in The Rafters" Club
While we're on the subject of recruits that got away, I'm happy to report that this dunk took place in the NBA and not over in CH:
Mark Jackson must be teaching Barnes to be aggressive. Making up for the lost time under Ol' Roy.
They are sort of neither-fish-nor-fowl in the overall scheme of public universities out here. Administratively, they are part of the Cal State system, but they are generally considered to be a substantial step up from the Cal States in terms of admissions standards, quality of instruction, etc. (albeit not at the level of the UC system). SLO is strong in engineering disciplines; Pomona, in addition to being solid across the board in liberal arts, functions as the ag school in the Cal State system (when the school first opened, the area was nothing but dairy farms).
"With seven national titles and 20 Final Fours in the 64-team NCAA Tournament era, Duke and UNC have had more playoff success than any other CONFERENCE." - Al Featherston
For mild entertainment, I went back and re-read a bunch of pages from the Tony Parker Recruiting thread. Re-reading a few of the anti-prophetic statements were a reminder of how wrong most of us are about the actual immediate impact a high school player will have on a high major program.
I had nothing better to do last evening, so I watched the end of the game and saw, to my disappointment, UCLA come from behind in the final minutes to win, based mostly on Texas's inability to run anything resembling an offense. I was shocked to see that both teams are in Pomeroy's top 50.
Maybe I had too much wine, but I thought Vitale said that UCLA needs leadership from LD II. Watching him and Travis Wear made me wish they had never left UNC. Muhammed was not impressive, either. His shot isn't strong and he doesn't seem to have the athleticism I expected.
I too watched parts of this game. Really mediocre performances by both teams. Texas up by eight points with about two minutes to go and they completely fell apart. Did anyone who watched the game notice the crowd, or lack of a crowd., A game played in Houston, very close to Austin. In contrast to the attendance at the Meadowlands. So my only comment, aside from two seemingly average teams, is the apparent lack of interest in Texas basketball.