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    Quote Originally Posted by sporthenry View Post
    Nats pick up Span from Minny for a top pitching prospect (although I'm sure the few, the recently proud Nats fans can enlighten us on Alex Meyer). Overall, a very solid move that will probably be under the radar with all the money going to Upton/Hamilton but will probably go further to deciding the division. True lead off hitter and solidifies center field. Bryce will probably move over to a corner position (for good) along with Werth.

    This makes Laroche more of a luxury. Not sure if they even want him back. As much as I like Morse and his ability to play first and the OF, it will be tough to keep up Laroche's slugging although Morse brings a better average.

    These two moves certainly put the pressure on the Phillies. Lot of agents/scouts are speculating that Philly will just go out and sign Hamilton. Not sure that is the prudent move but the Phillies might not have much time left. I'd probably prefer Bourn/Pagan who will be cheaper/require less years and I'd love Youkilis at 3rd but if they don't get Hamilton, I'd suspect they go out and make a splash in the trade market in some capacity (Span would have been a great addition).
    As one of the resident Nats fans, I like the trade. Meyer was a good prospect - tall, strong, big arm - very good fastball, a couple of other decent pitches - but probably two years away from contributing at the Major League level. I think he projects as anything from a #2/#3 starter to a bullpen asset. But getting a top notch leadoff man/defensive center fielder with a WAR potential of 2-4 right now and who is also on a nice contract for 2-3 years and puts a lefty at the top of the order seems like a smart move by Rizzo. Plus, the Nats have several other pitching prospects that look just as promising as Meyer and are on about the same timeline, if not ahead of it.

    I wasn't sold on either Upton or Bourn, and I wasn't thrilled about having to shell out a huge contract for either. Span seems to exactly fit the Nats' needs, and he's apparently a high character guy and a great teammate as well. The Nats have a couple of years of Span now to determine if Perez and/or Goodwin are going to grow up into a starting CF. If not, and if Span produces like I expect he will, they have the option of resigning him in a couple of years.

    I agree this probably means LaRoche is gone. I was prepared for this anyway, as I hear Boston and/or Texas are pretty interested, and they're going to throw more money at Adam than the Nats want to or should, IMO. LaRoche was great for the Nats this year, and I will miss his defense and his steady left-handed power bat, but with Morse able to produce similar power numbers, play adequate 1B defense, and under club control for another year, I don't see LaRoche in our future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBDuke View Post
    As one of the resident Nats fans, I like the trade. Meyer was a good prospect - tall, strong, big arm - very good fastball, a couple of other decent pitches - but probably two years away from contributing at the Major League level. I think he projects as anything from a #2/#3 starter to a bullpen asset. But getting a top notch leadoff man/defensive center fielder with a WAR potential of 2-4 right now and who is also on a nice contract for 2-3 years and puts a lefty at the top of the order seems like a smart move by Rizzo. Plus, the Nats have several other pitching prospects that look just as promising as Meyer and are on about the same timeline, if not ahead of it.

    I wasn't sold on either Upton or Bourn, and I wasn't thrilled about having to shell out a huge contract for either. Span seems to exactly fit the Nats' needs, and he's apparently a high character guy and a great teammate as well. The Nats have a couple of years of Span now to determine if Perez and/or Goodwin are going to grow up into a starting CF. If not, and if Span produces like I expect he will, they have the option of resigning him in a couple of years.

    I agree this probably means LaRoche is gone. I was prepared for this anyway, as I hear Boston and/or Texas are pretty interested, and they're going to throw more money at Adam than the Nats want to or should, IMO. LaRoche was great for the Nats this year, and I will miss his defense and his steady left-handed power bat, but with Morse able to produce similar power numbers, play adequate 1B defense, and under club control for another year, I don't see LaRoche in our future.
    As a proud Nats fan since way back in 2005, I concur, I like the trade. I would still rather resign LaRoche and trade Morse, but we can't really predict one's value vs the other for the next year or two. Werth got on base enough to be a decent leadoff hitter, but Davey hated putting one of his 'donkeys' in that role.

    The best part of this trade is that any money we were saving to go after Bourn or Upton can now be put towards that last starting pitcher. The rest of the rotation and the defensive prowess all over the field makes any offer a little more attractive ahem Zack Greinke ahem hem.

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    Unhappy

    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    As a proud Nats fan since way back in 2005, I concur, I like the trade. I would still rather resign LaRoche and trade Morse, but we can't really predict one's value vs the other for the next year or two. Werth got on base enough to be a decent leadoff hitter, but Davey hated putting one of his 'donkeys' in that role.

    The best part of this trade is that any money we were saving to go after Bourn or Upton can now be put towards that last starting pitcher. The rest of the rotation and the defensive prowess all over the field makes any offer a little more attractive ahem Zack Greinke ahem hem.
    Proud Nats fan also from the beginning here. Since I just downloaded Morse's intro song (Take on Me), I vote to keep Morse. Although he is nowhere near as good a defensive firstbaseman, he is no slouch, and I like his power to all fields when healthy. Ryan should be throwing better anyway after his surgery. All revved up for next season and it's only November.

  4. #24

    Braves trade Hansen

    The Atlanta Braves have traded Tommy Hansen, a quality starter with some health issues, to the California Angels for Jordan Walden, a former closer with health issues.

    Frankly, this is the second disappointing deal in a row for the Braves. First, they sign a mediocre, knucklehead free agent outfielder for $15 million a year for five years, then they deal their most valuable trade commodity to strengthen the strongest part of their team.

    I don't mind trading Hansen -- he is a chip I was hoping theiy would use to make the team stronger. But I was hoping they would deal for an outfielder (I know the Braves are assing Upton -- ugh! -- but they are losing Bourn and moving Prado to third base ... that leaves the Braves short an outfielder -- unless you count the recent pickup of Jordan Sxchafer -- double-ugh!

    Instead. they trade him for another closer -- a damaged one at that?

    I really do not like the direction the Braves are going. I think they are hving an awful off-season so far.

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    And my small market team masquerading as the NY Mets just did the deal they needed to do...signed the face of the franchise for abt $140 million over 7 years. Big money, but with Santana coming off the payroll next year (and Bay as well I think), probably the best (only?) move to make.

    Let's see if we keep R.A. Really good guy and first rate pitcher, but to rebuild without money, he may be gone (KC talks I hear). (e.g., "sell at highest value?")

    We're SO in the rear view mirror of the Nats and Braves. Thank God for the Phillies (seems funny to be able to say that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    The Atlanta Braves have traded Tommy Hansen, a quality starter with some health issues, to the California Angels for Jordan Walden, a former closer with health issues.

    Frankly, this is the second disappointing deal in a row for the Braves. First, they sign a mediocre, knucklehead free agent outfielder for $15 million a year for five years, then they deal their most valuable trade commodity to strengthen the strongest part of their team.

    I don't mind trading Hansen -- he is a chip I was hoping theiy would use to make the team stronger. But I was hoping they would deal for an outfielder (I know the Braves are assing Upton -- ugh! -- but they are losing Bourn and moving Prado to third base ... that leaves the Braves short an outfielder -- unless you count the recent pickup of Jordan Sxchafer -- double-ugh!

    Instead. they trade him for another closer -- a damaged one at that?

    I really do not like the direction the Braves are going. I think they are hving an awful off-season so far.
    I really didn't understand dealing Hanson. Perhaps his physicals aren't pretty but I would assume someone who has the ceiling of a solid #1 would bring more than this. Although I guess a shutdown bullpen guy is pretty valuable but like you said the Braves have plenty of them.

    I don't necessarily agree about Upton. He has upside and even if he never puts it all together, he is still a good CF. He never looks like he is trying to hard (and he may not be) but I also think some of that is b/c he is a 5 tool player who doesn't have to try too hard. Now talks are the Braves might trade for his brother, which I think would either work nicely or blow up.

    Quote Originally Posted by duke74 View Post
    And my small market team masquerading as the NY Mets just did the deal they needed to do...signed the face of the franchise for abt $140 million over 7 years. Big money, but with Santana coming off the payroll next year (and Bay as well I think), probably the best (only?) move to make.

    Let's see if we keep R.A. Really good guy and first rate pitcher, but to rebuild without money, he may be gone (KC talks I hear). (e.g., "sell at highest value?")

    We're SO in the rear view mirror of the Nats and Braves. Thank God for the Phillies (seems funny to be able to say that).
    I think you mean "Thank God for the Marlins". The Phillies actually finished the season as one of the hotter teams and with the 2nd wildcard, it should make it easier to make the playoffs where I doubt anyone wants to see them in a series. Halladay was injured for a portion of last year and when he came back, he didn't have the strength. Of course, he is still a question mark but if he has a good off-season and regains his form, I'd be weary. I don't think Lee can have any worse luck. Utley/Howard seem to be healthy. And they'll add 1 or 2 pieces in the off season.

    Now the future is pretty grim for the Phillies but they'll have another year or two to compete depending upon who they sign this off-season.
    Last edited by sporthenry; 12-01-2012 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sporthenry View Post
    I think you mean "Thank God for the Marlins". The Phillies actually finished the season as one of the hotter teams and with the 2nd wildcard, it should make it easier to make the playoffs where I doubt anyone wants to see them in a series. Halladay was injured for a portion of last year and when he came back, he didn't have the strength. Of course, he is still a question mark but if he has a good off-season and regains his form, I'd be weary. I don't think Lee can have any worse luck. Utley/Howard seem to be healthy. And they'll add 1 or 2 pieces in the off season.

    Now the future is pretty grim for the Phillies but they'll have another year or two to compete depending upon who they sign this off-season.
    Well put. At a minimum, we will be no higher than third. Starters appear reasonably strong (if we keep R.A., and Santana stays healthy). I like the infield with Ike (second half Ike), Murphy (adequate, improving on D), Tejada (Jose who??) and David. However....outfield is a joke. If we're counting on Duda to be our keystone...ouch. No other power whatsoever in the corners. And catching weak. Bullpen always a crapshoot. Stoppers seem to appear out of nowhere, with no warning. On the other hand, expected stoppers disappear after signing.

    Another long season I fear for the Amazins and the fans.

  8. #28

    Upton

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    The Atlanta Braves have traded Tommy Hansen, a quality starter with some health issues, to the California Angels for Jordan Walden, a former closer with health issues.

    Frankly, this is the second disappointing deal in a row for the Braves. First, they sign a mediocre, knucklehead free agent outfielder for $15 million a year for five years, then they deal their most valuable trade commodity to strengthen the strongest part of their team.

    I don't mind trading Hansen -- he is a chip I was hoping theiy would use to make the team stronger. But I was hoping they would deal for an outfielder (I know the Braves are assing Upton -- ugh! -- but they are losing Bourn and moving Prado to third base ... that leaves the Braves short an outfielder -- unless you count the recent pickup of Jordan Sxchafer -- double-ugh!

    Instead. they trade him for another closer -- a damaged one at that?

    I really do not like the direction the Braves are going. I think they are hving an awful off-season so far.
    I think you are selling BJ short. As a Rays and Braves fan, I am glad Atlanta is getting him and will miss having him in CF for the Rays (though Desmond Jennings should step in just fine). The price was a little higher than I would have liked for the Braves, but that seems to be where the market is situated now. Let's see what else the Braves do about LF- they are going to add another player through trade or free agency.

    Hanson's loss of velocity and relatively poor performance in the second half (plus his injury history and awful mechanics) diminished his value, so I am not as surprised about the return he brought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike88 View Post
    Hanson's loss of velocity and relatively poor performance in the second half (plus his injury history and awful mechanics) diminished his value, so I am not as surprised about the return he brought.
    Yeah, the consensus I have heard from many folks regarding this deal is that Hanson is pretty much washed up as a front-line starter. He basically throws 90 mph now, at the most. Unless he suddenly develops wicked control or a crafty new pitch, many folks think he is destined to be, at best, a 5th starter with an ERA approaching 5. Ummm, the Braves do not need one of those.

    And it is worth noting that BJ Upton will be 28 this upcoming season. It is not like the Braves made a long-term deal with a guy who was already north of 30. The Braves bought his 28-32 years... pretty good if you ask me. No reason not to think that he will be a 25+ HR and 30+ SB guy for all of those years (the steals may decline a bit, but the homers could rise as he gets into 31 and 32).

    I'll tell you something else I like -- he came from a winner. The Rays have averaged well over 90 wins a season over the past 5 years while Upton has been manning their centerfield. I like players who play for winners because they tend to understand how to do the little things that make you win. I know you can probably cite a dozen examples of guys who came from winners and turned into gigantic losers on their new team and vice-verse, but I still like to get guys who know what playing meaningful games in September and October is like.

    Look, this ain't a great signing. The kid clearly strikes out too often and I am a little concerned about his OBP if we slot him in the leadoff spot, but he's a nice addition and will reduce the sting of losing Bourne (who will be waaay too expensive for the Braves, I suspect).

    -Jason "I do agree that the Braves did not need another bullpen specialist in the Hanson deal... how many bullpen studs can you have?!?!" Evans
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    Arod out till at least June with a torn labrum. Well Cash, seems you have a little more work on your hands, eh?

    How bad do you think the Yanks want him to just disappear already?

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    A-Roid

    Quote Originally Posted by Doug.I.Am View Post
    Arod out till at least June with a torn labrum. Well Cash, seems you have a little more work on your hands, eh?

    How bad do you think the Yanks want him to just disappear already?
    I think the Yankees would love to be able to dump A-Roid and his bloated contract.

    But since there is little or no chance of that happening, I very much want to get him healthy and back in the lineup. The A-Roid who played most of last season -- before King Felix broke his wrost in late August -- was a very good major league third baseman -- no longer one of the two or three best players in the game (as he was in his prime) but one of the four or five best third basman in baseball today (Let's check the AL -- even with his injury problems, the only AL third basemen who had better years that A-Roid were Adrian Beltre and Miguel Cabrera (who was MUCH better with the bat; as a defender, he's a DH playing third ... I'll also give you Evan Longoria, although he was hurt and missed more than 90 games).

    So he's still a valuable player assuming he can get healthy and regain the form he had before his broken wrist.

    He's not worth $25 million a year, but he's a valuable commodity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    I think the Yankees would love to be able to dump A-Roid and his bloated contract.

    But since there is little or no chance of that happening, I very much want to get him healthy and back in the lineup. The A-Roid who played most of last season -- before King Felix broke his wrost in late August -- was a very good major league third baseman -- no longer one of the two or three best players in the game (as he was in his prime) but one of the four or five best third basman in baseball today (Let's check the AL -- even with his injury problems, the only AL third basemen who had better years that A-Roid were Adrian Beltre and Miguel Cabrera (who was MUCH better with the bat; as a defender, he's a DH playing third ... I'll also give you Evan Longoria, although he was hurt and missed more than 90 games).

    So he's still a valuable player assuming he can get healthy and regain the form he had before his broken wrist.

    He's not worth $25 million a year, but he's a valuable commodity.
    Was watching MLB network last night and they commented that this injury will be harder to come back because it's his front hip this time. I think if he returns and hits .270 the Yanks will be thrilled. I'm afraid he'll never get back to even a serviceable 3rd baseman. I'd like for NY to go and get Scutaro or Keppinger to fill the void but they'll most likely try to do what they did last year and plug it with Chavez and Nix.

    Trying real hard to get used to this frugality....Hope Hal is OK with a Yankee Stadium 1/2 filled next year.

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    Pagan signs 4 years, $40M to the Giants. Haren signs 1 year $13M to the Nats. The Marlins are interested in Mark DeRosa. Spot the non-contender!

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    The Flyin' Hawaiian signs in Boston, $39MM for 3 years.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...threeyear-deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    The Flyin' Hawaiian signs in Boston, $39MM for 3 years.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...threeyear-deal
    $39 million for Victorino's mid-30s? Must be nice to have a franchise that isn't broke.

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    Eric Chavez

    Eric Chavez, who won six Gold Gloves with the A's before suffering a long term injury recovery during some years with the Yankees, has apparently signed as $3 mil, 1-year deal with the Diamondbacks.

    When healthy (and younger), Chavez has been the best third baseman in baseball. Last year, when I saw him with the Yanks, having replaced the injured ARod, I could see that he still has the quickest and most accurate release to second in the 5-4-3 double play as anyone ever has. He will give the DBacks some power as well. Plus, he's one of MLB's better people. A basic good guy. And he gets to live at home in the Phoenix area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dev11 View Post
    Pagan signs 4 years, $40M to the Giants. Haren signs 1 year $13M to the Nats. The Marlins are interested in Mark DeRosa. Spot the non-contender!
    So the Halos have traded Ervin Santana away, let Danny Haren sign with the Nats, and are likely to be out-bid in their efforts to retain Zach Greinke. That's 3/5 of their rotation gone, and while they got the servicable Tommy Hansen, this is a starting staff that looks like it's going to be problematic next year.

  18. #38

    chavez

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim3k View Post
    Eric Chavez, who won six Gold Gloves with the A's before suffering a long term injury recovery during some years with the Yankees, has apparently signed as $3 mil, 1-year deal with the Diamondbacks.

    When healthy (and younger), Chavez has been the best third baseman in baseball. Last year, when I saw him with the Yanks, having replaced the injured ARod, I could see that he still has the quickest and most accurate release to second in the 5-4-3 double play as anyone ever has. He will give the DBacks some power as well. Plus, he's one of MLB's better people. A basic good guy. And he gets to live at home in the Phoenix area.
    Agree about Chavez ... just to make one thing clear, he suffered the injury BEFORE signing with the Yankees. It happened in 2007 with the A's. He played parts of another four years in Oakland and when it was clear he was no longer a top player, they let him go as a free agent. The Yankees signed him as a backup at 3B and as a lefthander DH/PH and got good value. He did battle back problems during his two years in New York and that limited his playing time. But he remained an excellent defensive third baseman and he had some pop in his bat. Good pickup for the Diamondbacks -- although I wonder how many games he'll be able to play in Arizona.

    Allow me to address another issue. As a Yankee fan, I'm kind of discouraged by what's going on in New York. The Yankees have lost in the offseason four regulars off their 2012 team:

    RF Nick Swisher
    C Russell Martin
    LF/DH Raul Ibanez
    Closer Rafael Soriano

    Plus, we've lost 3B Alex Rodriguez for at least half a season

    In addition, they've waved goodbye to key backups:

    RF Ichiro Suzuki
    OF/DH Andrew Jones
    3B Eric Chavez
    SP Freddie Garcia

    Okay, they get OF Brett Gardner back from injury, so that fills one OF spot. And they expect to get closer Mariano Rivera back from injury and that makes Soriano expendable. But the loss of Martin -- who really wanted to stay in New York -- hurts. So does the Swisher/Ibanez void (losing both hurts ... we could stand letting one go). And most troubling is the loss of so much quality depth -- that was probably the team's single greatest strength last year. But the loss of guys like Chavez and Suzuki really, REALLY hurts.

    In the old days, the Boss would have gone out and bought a few free agents and engineered a lopsided trade (with the Yankees taking on big salary from a team that couldn't afford to pay its stars). Now, the team is in an austerity mode -- determined to get the 2012 payroll under the salary cap. They might make some nice one-year deals (such as re-signing Kuroda and Pettitte) but nothing long-term -- and that's the only way to sign a qualify free agent these days. And there are even rumors that the Yankees want to trade Granderson (43 HRs, 106 RBIs while playing a quality CF) to clear salary space!

    I understand that the Yankee haters out there will chortle at our discomfiture with a suddenly tight-fisted owner. But it will be interesting to see if the money-making machine that the Yankees have been will continue to churn out massive profits a the team sinks in the AL East. With Toronto surging, the Rays solid, Balitmore still young and in play and Boston reloading ... the Yankees may find that the luxury tax is the least of their worries.

    PS Not totally negative. We ought to have a strong starting rotation -- if Sabathia, Pineda and Nova all recover their health -- and the infield -- even without A-Roid for half a season -- is still superb. But for years, the Yankees have talked about the need to get younger ... but I don't see that happening.

    Thanks for letting me vent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    I understand that the Yankee haters out there will chortle at our discomfiture with a suddenly tight-fisted owner. But it will be interesting to see if the money-making machine that the Yankees have been will continue to churn out massive profits a the team sinks in the AL East.
    Of course it will.

    YES will have rights to the Yankees through 2042, said the people, who requested anonymity because the transaction hasn't been announced. By the end of the contract, YES will pay the Major League Baseball team about $350 million a year for TV rights, they said.

    The extension secures three decades of Yankees games for the channel, eliminating a key hurdle as News Corp. negotiates to buy a minority stake in YES Network at about a $3 billion valuation. The rights contract provides for about a 5% increase each year from the current $85 million YES pays for the games, the people said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    Agree about Chavez ... just to make one thing clear, he suffered the injury BEFORE signing with the Yankees. It happened in 2007 with the A's. He played parts of another four years in Oakland and when it was clear he was no longer a top player, they let him go as a free agent. The Yankees signed him as a backup at 3B and as a lefthander DH/PH and got good value. He did battle back problems during his two years in New York and that limited his playing time. But he remained an excellent defensive third baseman and he had some pop in his bat. Good pickup for the Diamondbacks -- although I wonder how many games he'll be able to play in Arizona.
    Yes, the injury certainly occurred while he was here in Oakland. And the A's gave him an extremely long opportunity to get well. Unfortunately, he himself said he was not improving--at least at a rate which gave him any sense of comfort. So the A's, and most of baseball, determined that in reality his career was over. The Yanks saw it differently and took a chance that I'm pretty sure Eric thought was free money, since he wasn't positive he could ever come back.

    But he hadn't lost (much of) his batting eye, so served as a DH, PH option. He's still a wicked left-handed line drive hitter. Over time and with lots of patience, his legs began to come around. Then, late in the 2010 season he began playing in the field and found his legs again.

    It's a nice story, but I suspect both he and the DBacks think he has only one season left. I hope it's a good one.

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