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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Crazie View Post
    Agreed. However, I would also say that none of our wins this year are particularly notable (except for the internal satisfaction of finally beating Wake). This is probably Wake's weakest team in years, just judging from results so far. The FIU win might actually be the most notable -- and that final score belied the even nature of the line play of the two teams. If we somehow beat the Hoos to win two league games in a row, then I might start getting impressed.
    I'm very happy about the season thus far, and look forward to being at the UVA game this Saturday. But to say we wouldn't have won the NCCU and Memphis games in the past is simply not so.
    Both those teams are absolutely horrible. Last year we pounded a similarly bad team, Tulane.
    But certainly Wake is a game we would have found a way to lose in the past, and FIU is probably in that category as well.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    I'm very happy about the season thus far, and look forward to being at the UVA game this Saturday. But to say we wouldn't have won the NCCU and Memphis games in the past is simply not so.
    Both those teams are absolutely horrible. Last year we pounded a similarly bad team, Tulane.
    But certainly Wake is a game we would have found a way to lose in the past, and FIU is probably in that category as well.
    Agree with this assessment - NCCU and Memphis are teams that Roof/Franks would have likely beaten; but would not have beaten WF or FIU. If we win this weekend, I think we take out at least one moire team and get our 6+ wins. If we don't, its doubtful we go bowling.

  3. #23
    Here are the television affiliates for the game:
    http://www.theacc.com/live/2012-acc-...a-at-duke.html

    The game will also be on ESPN3.

  4. #24

    From ESPN.com

    DUKE 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS
    PASSING YARDS
    304.0 24th Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    114.8 111th Overall
    POINTS FOR
    37.0 32nd Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    26.8 69th Overall

    FIU 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS
    PASSING YARDS
    222.6 72nd Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    146.4 82nd Overall
    POINTS FOR
    25.6 80th Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    38.6 112th Overall

    Memphis 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS
    PASSING YARDS
    179.3 113th Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    121.5 102nd Overall
    POINTS FOR
    22.3 102nd Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    34.8 105th Overall

    Wake Forest 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS
    PASSING YARDS
    218.2 75th Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    133.6 89th Overall
    POINTS FOR
    24.8 87th Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    33.4 100th Overall

    STANFORD 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS They are Ranked 18th with these stats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    PASSING YARDS
    197.8 98th Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    128.0 94th Overall
    POINTS FOR
    26.0 74th Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    15.3 21st Overall

    NC CENTRAL 2-2 1st in the MEAC (no stats)


    VIRGINIA 2012 OVERALL FBS RANKINGS
    PASSING YARDS
    298.4 27th Overall
    RUSHING YARDS
    124.6 99th Overall
    POINTS FOR
    25.0 84th Overall
    POINTS AGAINST
    32.4 95th Overall

  5. #25
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    The stats are interesting, but the teams have played widely varying schedules. Virginia's schedule has been MUCH tougher than Duke's, though obviously they've lost more games.

    A decent metric at this point of the season is the Sagarin ratings, which have Duke at # 86 and UVA at 85....though Virginia's strength of schedule is 23rd, Duke's 159. So I wouldn't pay too much attention
    to the respective records.

    Duke has beaten #128 (FIU), Memphis (173) , NCCU (232) and Wake (110). We lost to Stanford (14).

    UVA has beaten Richmond (139), Penn St (36), and lost to TCU (15) GTech (61 and LaTech (51).

    Duke is a 2.5 point favorite, which sounds about right for evenly matched teams playing in Derm.

    There will be nothing easy about this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    The stats are interesting, but the teams have played widely varying schedules. Virginia's schedule has been MUCH tougher than Duke's, though obviously they've lost more games.

    A decent metric at this point of the season is the Sagarin ratings, which have Duke at # 86 and UVA at 85....though Virginia's strength of schedule is 23rd, Duke's 159. So I wouldn't pay too much attention
    to the respective records.

    Duke has beaten #128 (FIU), Memphis (173) , NCCU (232) and Wake (110). We lost to Stanford (14).

    UVA has beaten Richmond (139), Penn St (36), and lost to TCU (15) GTech (61 and LaTech (51).

    Duke is a 2.5 point favorite, which sounds about right for evenly matched teams playing in Derm.

    There will be nothing easy about this game
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    Saw the 'Hoos in person earlier in the season, when they beat Penn State 17-16; the Penn State kicker went 1-5 on Field Goals to snatch defeat from victory, but that's another story.

    A few impressions about UVa's team:

    Mike Rocco is a good QB; good size, good arm, mostly stays in the pocket, but can move around a bit and is not easy to bring down; Rocco did turn the ball over a few times when I saw him
    Virginia, at least at that point in the season, was not very good running the ball; they struggle to make holes, and the running backs are nothing special.
    They have a decent pass rush; like to use a variety of blitzes, and like to bring safeties and corner bakcs on blitzes occasionally
    The Virginia defense overall is nothing special; if Duke can protect the passer, should be able to get receivers open, and should be some running room
    They have a pretty good kicking game, both punting and FG kicking

    I would agree with the betting line, and Budwom's observations; fairly even contest, and Duke definitely can win with a good effort.
    Last edited by roywhite; 10-02-2012 at 10:00 AM.

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    Good info, Roy. I kind of prefer opponents who have less mobile QBs....we seem to have problems with fleet footed QBs who can take off the receivers are covered.
    If Renfree is healthy, this should be an entertaining game.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by roywhite View Post
    Saw the 'Hoos in person earlier in the season, when they beat Penn State 17-16; the Penn State kicker went 1-5 on Field Goals to snatch defeat from victory, but that's another story.

    A few impressions about UVa's team:

    Mike Rocco is a good QB; good size, good arm, mostly stays in the pocket, but can move around a bit and is not easy to bring down; Rocco did turn the ball over a few times when I saw him.
    Rocco probably won't be starting Saturday.

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    It seems like Duke might be facing a change up in UVA's offense...specifically more air oriented. Cockrell must be licking his lips.
    “That’s one of the things we talk about: where do you go from here, what are you looking at, personnel and things like that, and finding out what we do best,” London said earlier Monday. “We want to run the ball, but what do we do best in terms of moving the ball and with who in terms of the personnel?”
    Personnel changes aren’t the only thing London might be contemplating.
    Virginia opened up its playbook in the 44-38 loss to Louisiana Tech and the Cavaliers’ sudden offensive firepower seemed to suggest that they should consider airing the ball out more often.
    http://www.accsports.com/wires/20121...en-offense.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    That should be how it is...Rocco has been so turnover prone this year and Sims hasn't got much of a chance to get in the flow of things, getting a few drives at a time here and there. From as talented as everyone says he is, I'm interested to see how he does. Was hoping this one was in Charlottesville so I could check it out!

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    So, am I crazy to think that Jela Duncan has been good enough to warrant refocusing our offense around him?

    Seems like I must be overreacting, but 6.83 YPC is incredible. I'd like to see him get 15-20 touches on Saturday, if he can handle the workload; not only would it open up other aspects of the offense, but letting Duncan run also kind of seems like our most reliable offensive play right now (which is certainly not something you could have said about any of our RBs for a while!). Very exciting to have a player of his caliber emerging in our program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    So, am I crazy to think that Jela Duncan has been good enough to warrant refocusing our offense around him?

    Seems like I must be overreacting, but 6.83 YPC is incredible. I'd like to see him get 15-20 touches on Saturday, if he can handle the workload; not only would it open up other aspects of the offense, but letting Duncan run also kind of seems like our most reliable offensive play right now (which is certainly not something you could have said about any of our RBs for a while!). Very exciting to have a player of his caliber emerging in our program.
    Duncan has been fantastic and shows great promise! I'd like to see Josh Snead get that number of carries too. He's as fast, or faster than Duncan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    So, am I crazy to think that Jela Duncan has been good enough to warrant refocusing our offense around him?

    Seems like I must be overreacting, but 6.83 YPC is incredible. I'd like to see him get 15-20 touches on Saturday, if he can handle the workload; not only would it open up other aspects of the offense, but letting Duncan run also kind of seems like our most reliable offensive play right now (which is certainly not something you could have said about any of our RBs for a while!). Very exciting to have a player of his caliber emerging in our program.
    Jela has been a real eye-opener. I always like seeing him come in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OZZIE4DUKE View Post
    Duncan has been fantastic and shows great promise! I'd like to see Josh Snead get that number of carries too. He's as fast, or faster than Duncan!
    Agree. I guess you and I are the only two members of the Josh Snead fan club but he needs more carries. I do like Duncan also. Duncan is a better power runner up the gut, in addition to having good speed, but Josh has the kind of speed where he is always a threat to break open a long run, and take it to the house. Josh is easily the fastest RB on the team using the eye test in games. Josh and Jela make a great tandem in our backfield, and their level of play thus far has to give Cut and Roper pause to consider running the ball more often. Even with decent blocking those two guys can do some damage. I was a little worried when we moved Desmond to WR, but man has that plan ever worked out perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    Agree. I guess you and I are the only two members of the Josh Snead fan club but he needs more carries. I do like Duncan also. Duncan is a better power runner up the gut, in addition to having good speed, but Josh has the kind of speed where he is always a threat to break open a long run, and take it to the house. Josh is easily the fastest RB on the team using the eye test in games. Josh and Jela make a great tandem in our backfield, and their level of play thus far has to give Cut and Roper pause to consider running the ball more often. Even with decent blocking those two guys can do some damage. I was a little worried when we moved Desmond to WR, but man has that plan ever worked out perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't think that's a good thing for us. I'd much rather have the turnover-prone Rocco than the Phil Sims, a former elite Alabama QB recruit who transferred to UVA for family reasons. Kid led a comeback last week that just fell short, 10-17 for 166, 2 TDs, 0 ints.

    Hope our hobbled secondary is up to the task on Saturday.

    UVA has been tearing it up in recruiting the last couple years too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    Agree. I guess you and I are the only two members of the Josh Snead fan club but he needs more carries. I do like Duncan also. Duncan is a better power runner up the gut, in addition to having good speed, but Josh has the kind of speed where he is always a threat to break open a long run, and take it to the house. Josh is easily the fastest RB on the team using the eye test in games. Josh and Jela make a great tandem in our backfield, and their level of play thus far has to give Cut and Roper pause to consider running the ball more often. Even with decent blocking those two guys can do some damage. I was a little worried when we moved Desmond to WR, but man has that plan ever worked out perfectly.
    I like both, but what I really like about Duncan is his patience. That's what sets him apart for me. He has the patience to wait for the blocks to line up and the holes to open up before he hits them or cuts back. It's even more surprising that he's a true freshman, cause those skills usually come with more experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_Newton View Post
    So, am I crazy to think that Jela Duncan has been good enough to warrant refocusing our offense around him?

    Seems like I must be overreacting, but 6.83 YPC is incredible. I'd like to see him get 15-20 touches on Saturday, if he can handle the workload; not only would it open up other aspects of the offense, but letting Duncan run also kind of seems like our most reliable offensive play right now (which is certainly not something you could have said about any of our RBs for a while!). Very exciting to have a player of his caliber emerging in our program.
    Remember most of those yards came against horrid run defenses

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    I'm certainly a fan of feeding the Snead, too. I just like Duncan more as an every down, between the tackles-type back because he seems more consistent - less explosive in the open field, but less likely to get stopped for no gain if the o-line doesn't open up a great hole. He's so powerful and is so good at getting yards after the 1st/2nd/3rd tackler that I generally feel like that giving him the ball will result in a positive outcome.

    Fair point about the quality of run defenses, though. I don't imagine that Wake is quite as bad as the numbers suggest, given that they've played FSU, UNC and Army, but hopefully he'll be able to sustain his success. If he can even just reliably get 4-5 yards on most carries against middling ACC teams, it would be huge for us.

  20. #40
    My Wife is a UVA Alum and we live relatively close to C-Ville. That being said, I've attended all of their home games this season (not planned just worked out that way).

    They easily handled an unmotivated Richmond team to open the season. They were given the Penn State win.

    Against La tech, they were rolling until the middle of the second quarter when London tried an on-side kick after scoring to go up 24-3. tech recovered, marched down and scored and never looked back. In the second half, Tech added a screen pass to the right side and exploited it all afternoon. Virginia made it close late, but they were not the same team in the second half.

    This week should be interesting as I believe Phillip Simms is starting over Rocco. The news media in C-ville has been trying to create a QB controversy since he arrived there. His passes are much crisper and he puts more zip on the ball than Rocco's traditional "floaters." He looks fast, but doesn't appear to like to run, (or get his uniform dirty).

    They have two outstanding Tight ends, (88 and 89) one in particular (#89?) who has made some pretty impressive catches this year. He seems to be Roc's go to guy in a pinch as I've seen him easily out jump every defender put on him. The tight ends are looked at more on 3rd down than the receivers. The WR corp is not as impressive as ours, they don't run well after the catch.

    They like to run, but are much more impressive at the short passing game. I haven't seen Duke in person this year, but from what I read, this should be about as evenly matched team that Duke has played this year.

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