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    Clemens Not Guilty

    of perjury and other crimes when testifying to Congress.

    Clemens, 49, was charged with two counts of perjury, three counts of making false statements and one count of obstructing Congress when he testified at a deposition and at a nationally televised hearing in February 2008. The charges centered on his repeated denials that he used steroids and human growth hormone during a 24-year career produced 354 wins and a record seven Cy Young Awards.

    The verdict was the latest blow to the government's legal pursuit of athletes accused of illicit drug use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim3k View Post
    of perjury and other crimes when testifying to Congress.
    I'm surprised. Not upset, just surprised. I was more surprised by the John Edwards' verdicts.
    Ozzie, your paradigm of optimism!

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    juries

    Hey, a jury found OJ not guilty too ... a Chicago jury found the eight Black Sox not guilty of conspiring to throw the 1919 World Series.

    As far as my opinion of Clemens, I acknowledge that there is a different standard for criminal prosecution (evidence beyond a reasonable doubt) and my own personal standard (the perponderance of the evidence). Remember, both Clemons and Barry Bonds were able to get a large part of the evidence against them excluded. I'm sure that's perfectly correct from a legal point of view, but it doesn't prevent me from considering it when it comes to determine who is a cheating scumbag and who's not.

    Interesting that Clemens, Bonds and Sosa -- three clear cheaters go on next year's Hall of Fame ballot. It will be interesting to see how they do.

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    This trial was a complete joke, surpassed only by the hearings themselves, surpassed only by the Mitchell Report itself. The owners knew to a certainty that steroid and other performance enhancers were ubiquitous in the League when the home runs started flying out. They did everything that they could do to suppress it, including to get some important people to lie.

    The Mitchell Report "uncovered" what everybody already knew (probably not the half of it, there are those greenies you know, that no one has talked about yet without which the "season's" length would be a pipedream in the owners' collective dreams), and was virtually ignored by everyone, except the owners who, once the jig was up with 20 home run a year guys hitting colose to 50 the center fi8elder for the Orioles) and then McQuire and Sosa. So they needed an out, and the Mitchell Report was it, and everybody with half a brain knew it.

    The owners had scored big on the home run business and needed to show that once that they got an inkling that there was a problem going on, they do what Congress always does--they order an investigation. So, Senator/Chief Middle East Negotiator Mitchell sells his name to an investigation that selectively names a bunch of names and everyody laughs at the report, the owners, and Mitchell himself. Mitchell, not without his connections on the Hill (wink, wink), gets the head of the House Committee in charge of health issues to hold hearings, not to investigate, but simply to get "the stars" to admit under 5th amendment nol pros promises, to own up to what Mitchell reported and thus to give the report some gravitas and deliver to the owners what Mitchell could not--some cover for their feigned head in the sand approach to steroid use as they counted the cash.

    Only Waxman looked and sounded like a jerk who was looking into a ridiculous issue while Rome burned--while there actually were some health issues to look into and try to get some action on. He gives a low life and a principal pusher of steriods immunity to testify about how he helped guys who trusted him shoot up, which turned normal prosecutorial tactics on their collective head--you usually give users immunity to put the dealers behind bars--and then depends primarily on this low life's testimony to insist that Clemens is lying.

    Baseball purists, even with Clemens acquittal on all counts still insist that he "used" and that that should somehow count him out from the hall. But, what about all the others whom Mitchell never slandared, whom Waxman ever presumed were guilty with no credible proof at all, what do we do with them? And, while those same guys say that players ordinarily lose their effectiveness when Clemens increased his, and use that as proof that he had to have been using, maybe somebody should point out to these sophists that Clemens was the best pitcher on the planet in the planet's history before steroids were ever in the picture, was a fiend about working out and a bull of a man from the time he began, and so he was oh so not an "ordinary" guy. No one could explain how he did what he did for all those years when he was killing the League when no one suggests he was anything but clean and now insist that all of a sudden his extraordinary strength and ability to pinpoint his pitches and whatever it took to keep winning had to have wanned, but for a use of steroids that 12 jurors decided that the government who spent millions of dollars failed to prove.

    If this is the fan base for baseball then baseball needs smarter fans. Did anyone think to ask the doctors who were advising the league about drug use when the ball suddenly started jumping off of bats to look into "how come," did the doctors look into it themselves, and if, they did, what did they find and why have we not heard one word from them. WHY!

    Were the real drugs that have driven the bus for baseball over these obscenely long seasons with multiple 7 playoff game serieses tacked on not steriods but "greenies," you know, the type of drugs that every high end high school college and graduate school student who must get higher grades is popping like popcorn at the movies? Greenies, boys and girls, are dangerous s$#t, everybody has known that there were bowls of them in the clubhouse where guys were free to grab as many as they needed to stay, you know, alert, maybe also, with the myopic focus those type drugs are reputed to engender, pick up and react to a 100 mph fastball and where it is headed such that they not only could get a bat on the thing, but really slam it.

    What did the DOCTORS for the League, that is the owners, know and when did they know it and tell the owners. Why have we not through Mitchell's investigation, Waxman's committee, the prosecution of Barry Bonds and now Clements, ever heard their names even mentioned by the investigators, prosecutors, Mitchell and his troups, Wasman and his, and Mr. Bud his ownself. Why haven't these guys been called to tell what the heck was really going on.

    We all know, and we ain't asking.

    How the prosecutors in SF got a jury to rule against Bonds, after all the joy and attention that he brought to that city, after his unquestionably exceptional talent had been on display consistently since his teenage years and had only improved through before Mr. Balco, another drug pusher, pointed a crooked finger at Bonds, I'll never know. The jury in DC was having none of it, and they were dead right. If the baseball writers who vote people into the Hall dare to disregard that verdict when voting on Clemens and vote him out because they believe the jury was wrong they need to go to some other country.

    Clemens told the Committe, "No," every damn time Waxman, et al asked him, and a jury said that with the millions spent there was no credible proof that he was lying, not once with regard to the six counts brought. In this country, people get hanged based on jury verdicts. The least these genuises, who have had their heads in the sand instead of demanding testimony from the guys in the know, after first calling each of them owners to the stand and ask them, among other things about the Doctors, can act like their freakin Americans. Hang the bastards who lost.

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    McCarthyism in the 21st century

    Whether these guys used or not, the two organizations causing all of this waste - millions and millions of dollars all for the purpose of punishing "fallen heroes" with months in a country club prison (at best). These two organizations (USADA and WADA) have zero accountability and operate with a reckless zeal. They should both be disbanded. What's it going to take before we ALL (including our government) tell these witch hunt organizations to go jump in a lake?
    Last edited by hurleyfor3; 06-19-2012 at 08:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cf-62 View Post
    Whether these guys used or not, the two organizations causing all of this waste - millions and millions of dollars all for the purpose of punishing "fallen heroes" with months in a country club prison (at best). These two organizations (USADA and WADA) have zero accountability and operate with a reckless zeal. They should both be disbanded. What's it going to take before we ALL (including our government) tell these witch hunt organizations to go jump in a lake?
    It really is true. How much money and time were spent prosecuting something we all just want to go away? Actually, more than that...that none of us care about anymore? Aren't there more...umm...pressing issues elsewhere? Jeter answered well when he said he was happy for Roger and happy for baseball that we can now hopefully/finally/maybe move on.

    If Mcgwire is any indication, I don't think Sosa, Bonds, or Clemens ever get in. Rightly so, the journalists are against it.

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