It seems silly to me that a player like Shabazz should have to play a year of college ball before going pro. It would have been absurd if Kobe or LeBron had been forced to bide their time for a year. On the other hand I suppose the NBA is trying to save themselves from their own possible stupidity by using a first round pick to draft a player who is not ready. My solution for the NBA would be to allow only the lottery teams to draft a player out of HS. If a player is good enough to be a lottery pick out of HS he should not have to wait a year. On the other hand, players who seem to have a lot of raw talent and "potential" but aren't presumed ready to contribute immediately would have to sit out a year. Personally I would prefer not to make anyone wait a year but maybe this compromise would palatable to the NBA. To make it work the NCAA/NBA would have to forget about asking incoming freshmen to "declare" for the draft. Bazz could accept a scholarship to UCLA but if he's a lottery pick and wants to go they are out of luck just like Duke was with Livingston. On the other hand if he is not a lottery pick then he still has his eligibility for one year at UCLA. It's not perfect - for instance HB might still have been selected as a lottery pick and ended up a bust - but I think most of the time those "sure thing" type players would work out at least as well as after 1-year of college. I don't know if that would be acceptable to the NBA but it sure would be better for college. Calipari would likely be nervous on draft night if he continued to go after those type players but, after all, it's his choice. Players like Bazz could actually just wait until after the draft to commit in case they were not drafted.
So what do you think?
1. financial gain from being able to market rookies whose faces the nation is familiar with
2. helping the GMs keep from shooting themselves in the foot by allowing for better evaluation (against better competition)
It's also not great from the college perspective. This would cause chaos in terms of recruiting. The coaches already hate the fact that they aren't sure who they'll have next year due to the draft. Now they'll not be sure if they have a guy until late June. And it wouldn't really fix the one-and-done problem anyway, because you'd still only have a guy for the one year.
I thnk the association is double dipping and loving the system just they way it is - colleges develope their young talent one, two maybe four years with absolutely no risk and then when the "League" says they are ready, they draft them to the teams that need the most help to keep things competitive.
Do you think, really, even for a minute, the NBA wants to change this?
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Last edited by pfrduke; 04-26-2012 at 04:11 PM. Reason: language
If being a fan were logical, we'd all be Duke fans but some of us were born to a different blue.
I like the idea of this thread, even if it is just a distant dream at this point. Here's a three-part plan:
1) I agree that the NBA should let players go pro out of high school.
2) For its part, the NCAA should let any kid who isn't drafted out of high school come to college - if, that is, they have the intention of getting an education and are willing to commit to college for 3+ years to get their degree. I think the concept that kids who declare for the draft are somehow "professionals" is just plain silly in light of the charred landscape of contemporary college basketball.
3) If not 1) or 2), the NBDA and Europe are always available.
To me this would capture everyone's best interests - the players, the colleges, and the fans. I guess it's really the same system as baseball has... Hmmm, I could probably have just gone with, "we should just do what baseball does". Sorry for the time sink.
(not sure if Swift and Telfair were tail end of their lotteries or top of the non-lottery. Right at the cutoff)
From NCAA standpoint the last issue you raised would be no different than if there were no one and done rule at all - think Shawn Livingston - except it would only effect the very elite prospects who were lottery considerations.
So because the NBA won't do it and because it makes colleges worse off, it seems like a complete no-go. It's great for the players, not great for the NBA, colleges, or college bball fans.
Tyson Chandler (rookie #s: 6.1ppg, 4.8 rpg)
Eddy Curry (rookie #s: 6.7ppg, 3.8 rpg)
Andrew Bynum (rookie #s: 1.6 ppg, 1.7 rpg)
I'd say all but a few of those guys would have helped both themselves and their future NBA clubs by waiting a year.
EDIT: I see while I was looking this up others beat me to it. Oh well.
1) less polished players in NBA earning salary at end of bench
2) more of players described above in (1) being drafted because no GM wants to be known as the guy who passed up the next Kobe Bryant - drafting based on uncertain "potential" magnfies and more draft busts ensue
TOP FIVE PICKS
Jonathan Bender (#5)
Darius Miles (#3)
Kwame Brown (#1)
Tyson Chandler (#2)
Eddy Curry (#4)
LeBron James (#1)
Dwight Howard (#1)
Shaun Livingston (#4)
SIX TO TEN
DaSagana Diop (#8)
Amare Stoudemire (#9)
Martell Webster (#6)
Andrew Bynum (#10)
There is no rule stating players have to attend college for a year to be drafted. There is no rule resticting high school basketball players from going pro as soon as they graduate, they just can't do it in the NBA. Frankly i'm suprised more one and done prospects don't spend a year over seas then coming to the NBA. The NCAA is always going to try and do whatever is in it's best interest and the NBA will do the same for itself. Getting the two to collaborate on how to do what's best for the players is a long shot unless they both have something legitimate gain from it which i don't see happening.
Why the NCAA doesn't do this, I don't know.
Tyrus Thomas (#4)
Greg Oden (#1)
Kevin Durant (#2)
Mike Conley (#4)
Spencer Hawes (#10)
Thaddeus Young (#12)
Derrick Rose (#1)
OJ Mayo (#3)
Kevin Love (#5)
Eric Gordon (#7)
Jerryd Bayless (#11)
Anthony Randolph (#14)
Tyreke Evans (#4)
DeMar DeRozan (#9)
John Wall (#1)
Derrick Favors (#3)
DeMarcus Cousins (#5)
Xavier Henry (#12)
Kyrie Irving (#1)
Tristan Thompson (#4)
Brandon Knight (#8)
A couple of misses in the late lottery and one top five bust (Thomas) but overall it's a much more accomplished list than the previous list of high school players drafted in the lottery.
make ALL players spend their first year in the development league......just let that soak in.....ALL players must spend their first year in the NBDL....
imagine what we would have had over the past 5 years....letting them play for 30k, getting used to travel, more games, and no classes instead of having to go to an institute of higher learning when they don't want to...
the nba gets a MUCH better evaluation, the D-league becomes a very hot ticket, and the kids get to play whenever they are able to make the cut on a d-team...
"Either we're going down, or they are....... Kirk out!"
Everybody makes the mistake of thinking about what's best for the game ... or for the kids ... or even for colleges.The hard truth is that the NBA is not going to act for the game, for the kids of for the colleges. They are only going to do what is best for them.
As noted, for every Kobe or LeBron, there were a dozen unqualified high school kids drafted when they could be drafted. And even high school kids who did become students (such as Kobe) weren't impact guys in the NBA. Now, there are dozens of one-and-done players drafted who won't be make in the NBA (Daniel Orton? Marvin Williams?).
I think if the NBA had its way, they'd like to raise the requirement to two years out of high school ... but they have to get agreement on that from the player's association. The players association is not opposed to that, but they see the issue as a bargining chip. They want something from the owners in return -- more cap space, a better wage scale ... somethng. The owners want the extra year, but it isn't a pressing issue for them. They have not yet offered the player's association anything in return.
I like the suggestion that the NCAA change its approach and allow kids to go through the draft and then decide whether they come back or not. That would help a guy like Mason, who doesn't know if he's going to be first round or not. He could go through the draft and if he likes his draft spot, he could go ... if he doesn't, he would return to Duke. What I don't know is now much flexibility you have in signing negotiations. None of the first-round contracts are megotiable -- currently first-round money is slotted on where you are drafted. But suppose Mason went through the draft and was the first pick of the second round. He could say, give me a first-round contract (two years guaranteed) and I'll sign ... if not I'll go back to school. That kind of situation wouldn't improve the game and it would not help the colleges (it would be a nightmare for coaches wondering if their stars were returning or not ... imagine K trying to deal with the uncertainty over Mason. Does he go after an Oriakhi or that Polish big guy on the market ior not?).
But it would help the kids.
Maybe best of all, it would be a barginning chip the NCAA could use against the NBA. As much as colleges would have giving the kids that much freedom, the NBA would REALLY hate giving the draftees that much bargining power. Right now, there is nothing the NCAA can do to make the NBA accomodate them. Giving kids the freedom to go through the draft and come back might get the owners moving to negotiate a longer wait with the player's association. Of course, they might not -- one response could be to simply give NBA teams perpetual rights to their draftees (instead of the current one-year rights). In our scenario, Mason could go back to Duke after being a second round pick, but a year later, he'd still be owned by the team that picked him in 2012 and he' still be a second-round draft pick.
I know it's a fantasy, but in my ideal world:
(1) the NBA would expand the developmental league
(2) kids coming out of high school could have the option of signing a pro contract -- the rare Kobe or LeBron could go straight to the NBA; most would go to the Developmental League until they were ready -- or signing with a college.
(3) we would have the baseball rule -- you can be a pro right our of high school, but if you sign with a college, you have to stay at least three years (or until you are 21) before you were draftable.
I think that system would help the kids (many of whom don't belong in college in the first place), it would help college basetball by giving them stability (I believe our game is hurt far more by the one-and-dones than the Dwight Howards, Kobe Bryants and LeBron James that we never had) and it would help the NBA, which would have a chance to draft either raw talents then prep them in the minors, or more fully formed college veterans ... while still having the flexibility to rush that are superstar straight from high school to the pros.
Most of all, it would help the game of basketball. It's a lovely dream, but it would never be adopted.