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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    The 18-game schedule means a maximum of 13 non-conference games. We've got 7 already lined up, so we know over half of the non-conference schedule.
    Like everyone on EK, I'm definitely curious about all those pre-ACC games. I'm not trying to be pissy in saying we don't yet quite know 7, as we don't know - do we? - who will be our opening opponent in the B4A? Much less the other 2 there. I see your point that we have "lined up" 7, yes.

    But more important, to me, is finding out about our ACC unbalanced mess. So my post above was about whether [1] the ACC has actually determined how the 18-game thing will work, [2] and actually finalized the unbalanced schedule for all ACC teams, and [3] whether Katz or Gottfried have seen the full 18-game schedule.

    I very much appreciate your updates, and so apologize if my post here seems argumentative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfrduke View Post
    The 18-game schedule means a maximum of 13 non-conference games. We've got 7 already lined up, so we know over half of the non-conference schedule.
    Because Battle 4 Atlantis is a 3 game tournament and not 4 exempt games, we only play 30 games next year, 12 nonconference.

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    I believe we still have one more year on the St. John's series (@MSG) and a return home game with Temple. That leaves 3 unknown games. While we don't know what the ACC will do with the 18 game schedule, I would guess the 3 year model will continue with us playing our 2010 schedule and a wildcard home and road game added on (probably State (H) and Wake (A) to appease the masses). This would leave 3 unknown games.

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    The St. John's and Temple series in theory start over this year. St. John's is supposed to be in the middle of a 4 year contract. It's an unconfirmed rumor, but we might be playing Temple in NJ for the annual NY-NJ game. I would be very surprised if we play 5 home and 7 away/neutral, however. One of Davidson, Temple, or St. John's is probably wrong.

    H: 5 games (Delaware*, OSU)
    A/N: 7 games (3 Atlantis*, Temple in NJ, @Davidson, @St. John's, Kentucky in ATL*)
    * - confirmed

    I agree that the ACC will probably add one road trip from our FSU/VT/Wake group and make one of State/Miami/UVA come to Cameron. My bet is that ESPN wants another trip to FSU, and it's a toss-up between State and Miami coming to Cameron.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    Like everyone on EK, I'm definitely curious about all those pre-ACC games. I'm not trying to be pissy in saying we don't yet quite know 7, as we don't know - do we? - who will be our opening opponent in the B4A? Much less the other 2 there. I see your point that we have "lined up" 7, yes.

    But more important, to me, is finding out about our ACC unbalanced mess. So my post above was about whether [1] the ACC has actually determined how the 18-game thing will work, [2] and actually finalized the unbalanced schedule for all ACC teams, and [3] whether Katz or Gottfried have seen the full 18-game schedule.

    I very much appreciate your updates, and so apologize if my post here seems argumentative.
    I think you are referring to this year, and I have no information on that.

    When Cuse and Pitt join, assuming two 7 - team divisions, instead of 18, it seems there would have to be 6 *2 = 12 for intra-division home and homes + 7 inter division for a total of 19, not 18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACCBBallFan View Post
    I think you are referring to this year, and I have no information on that.

    When Cuse and Pitt join, assuming two 7 - team divisions, instead of 18, it seems there would have to be 6 *2 = 12 for intra-division home and homes + 7 inter division for a total of 19, not 18.
    The ACC has already announced its 14 team ACC schedule rotation starting in 2013-14. One permanent partner (you know who), 4 home and road, 4 home only, 4 road only, all rotating on a 3 year cycle. No divisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msdukie View Post
    I believe we still have one more year on the St. John's series (@MSG) and a return home game with Temple. That leaves 3 unknown games. While we don't know what the ACC will do with the 18 game schedule, I would guess the 3 year model will continue with us playing our 2010 schedule and a wildcard home and road game added on (probably State (H) and Wake (A) to appease the masses). This would leave 3 unknown games.
    Return game with Temple appears to be set for East Rutherford, although no date has been announced. Our annual NY area games are typically December games though.
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    So there is one more year of UNC and NC State playing twice before Duke and the rest of the league throw the series under the bus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    So there is one more year of UNC and NC State playing twice before Duke and the rest of the league throw the series under the bus?
    Why are we blaming "Duke and the rest of the league" and not UNC and NCSU? Unless I'm missing something, they're as complicit as anyone else (not that UNC has any problem with throwing itself under the bus).
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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    So there is one more year of UNC and NC State playing twice before Duke and the rest of the league throw the series under the bus?
    Was there a vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WakeDevil View Post
    So there is one more year of UNC and NC State playing twice before Duke and the rest of the league throw the series under the bus?
    I think your anger is misdirected. The NC States (and Marylands) clamoring for keeping the "two rivals" schedule that we've had were doing so to keep Duke and UNC on their schedule twice. The rest of the league wanted a change to make it so Duke and UNC visit their gyms more often.

    I don't want to generalize, but I'd imagine if we had a poll, most Duke fans would want the Triangle teams to play each other twice. I'd rather have that than having a manufactured rivalry in being forced to play Maryland twice.
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    Maybe the Dixie Classic should be revived. Duke, unc, NC State & Wake playing (with 4 others) in an eight-team, three-round tournament the last week of December.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by tbyers11 View Post
    It is possible that the home-and-home partners have been decided but you would think that would leak quickly in this day and age. That being said, an 18 game schedule with 12 teams means 7 home and homes and only 4 teams that you play just once. Nice quirk in the scheduling before Syracuse and Pitt join. This year's "regular season champ" will be the truest regular season champ since the ACC expanded from 9 to 12.
    FYI - Here's link to Andy Katz blog on today's ESPN web page, containing what I consider to be real, if still tantalizingly way-incomplete, news.

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ege-basketball

    As readers will see from the Katz blog, the ACC schedule for 2012-13 is known at least to the coaches. Per tbyers11's comment, you'd think it would have leaked, but instead it's just dripping, very slowly. Katz is a dripper, for which I am, unexpectedly, grateful.

    A key statement from the Katz piece - and here I pause to give props to tbyers11 for prescience and/or common sense logic - is this: "Each team will play seven teams twice next season and four teams once. Two of those single games will be at home and two on the road."

    Other bits of news [if Katz, Gottfried, Turgeon, and Brownell are reliable]:

    1. NCSt gets Duke, UNC, and FSU twice.
    2. Md gets Duke, UNC, FSU, and UVa twice.
    3. Clemson's 4 singles are UNC and Wake at home, Duke and MD away.
    4. So, by clever detective work, we know that in upcoming season, 2012-13, Duke plays
    • UNC, NCSt, and MD H/A
    • Clemson H

    Unbalanced mess will presumably be messy. Stay tuned. Last sentence from tbyers11 in tag quote merits conversation.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by msdukie View Post
    The ACC has already announced its 14 team ACC schedule rotation starting in 2013-14. One permanent partner (you know who), 4 home and road, 4 home only, 4 road only, all rotating on a 3 year cycle. No divisions.
    Thanks, I had not seen that.

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    An update on the ACC schedule leaking out from different sources:

    We play GT at home only per the GT Ticket Office. @FSU is also confirmed by the FSU ticket office. If the ESPN article is correct, our ACC road schedule is set.

    Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, Clemson, GT, 4 TBD.
    Away: UNC, NCSU, MD, BC, FSU, Miami, UVA, VT, WF

    Home-Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, 4 TBD.
    Home only: Clemson, GT
    Away only: 2 TBD.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by duke2x View Post
    An update on the ACC schedule leaking out from different sources:

    We play GT at home only per the GT Ticket Office. @FSU is also confirmed by the FSU ticket office. If the ESPN article is correct, our ACC road schedule is set.

    Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, Clemson, GT, 4 TBD.
    Away: UNC, NCSU, MD, BC, FSU, Miami, UVA, VT, WF

    Home-Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, 4 TBD.
    Home only: Clemson, GT
    Away only: 2 TBD.
    We are @BC again?

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    TBDs

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDevil16 View Post
    We are @BC again?
    Per duke2x's post, I'd speculate that one of Duke's home TBDs is BC. Hope so, as playing BC twice is a plus. No guarantees, but they're still likely in bottom tier next season.

    Thanks for the update, duke2x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duke2x View Post
    An update on the ACC schedule leaking out from different sources:

    We play GT at home only per the GT Ticket Office. @FSU is also confirmed by the FSU ticket office. If the ESPN article is correct, our ACC road schedule is set.

    Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, BC, Miami, VT, WF, Clemson, GT.
    Away: UNC, NCSU, MD, BC, Miami, VT, WF, FSU, UVA.

    Home-Home: UNC, NCSU, MD, BC, Miami, VT, WF.
    Home only: Clemson, GT
    Away only: UVA, FSU.
    UVA's AD site has beaten Duke to the punch this year and released a preliminary basketball schedule. We play @UVA Feb. 26-28 (during the week), but the exact date and time are still TBD. UVA does not come to Cameron. FSU's AD site confirms no trip to Cameron, so we now have the full slate of opponents. I updated the above chart to reflect this new information.
    Last edited by duke2x; 06-14-2012 at 09:05 PM. Reason: Found more information

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    Also, per a CBS article yesterday on non-conference opponents and another breaking down teams:

    Sa. 12/8 Temple @ Izod Center
    Sa. 12/29 Santa Clara (H)

    Two more non-conference games to figure out. I assume one will start the season at home and one will come between the significant break between Kentucky and Battle 4 Atlantis. We also have a date for every non-conference game now except St. John's.
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    Here's the top 50 or so non conference games, not counting preseason conference matchups in latter rounds such as Battle 4 Atlantis.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...12-13-campaign

    I used this and conference games to determine overall strength of schedule and Duke is very close to the top, trailing only Minnesota by a lot and Marquette y a single point.

    On overall body of work, it appears Minnesota (197) and Marquette (159) and Louisville (131) have the most quality opponents @ 10; G-town (133) has 9 and Duke (158) is tied @ 8 with Illinois (142 and Stanford (139).

    These are potential opponents since not all will face each other in tournaments they are both in.

    Several tied at 7 Missouri (138), Ohio St (134), Wisc (126), Texas (120), Michigan (116), K-State (106), UVA (98), Seton Hsll (98), Pitt (92), St. John's (90), Prov (89), UCONN (89)and Butler (79).

    Most of the other top teams potentially have 6 quality opponents: Indiana (123), Mich St. (119), UK (115), UNC (91), KU (84), Florida (77), Syr (61), plus others also have 6.

    Since schedules are not out yet, I counted opponents and not games where conference foes may face each other in some cases twice. Also a possibility Texas and UNC play twice and Louisv/Memphis play twice this year.

    However, not all of who I consider the top 30 teams this year are created equal. So when I weight them, the overall strength of schedule is:

    197 Minnesota (10)

    159 Marquette (10)
    158 Duke (8)

    142 Illinois (8)

    139 Stanford (8)
    138 Missouri (7)
    134 Ohio State (7)
    133 G-town (9)
    131 Louisville (10)

    126 Wisconsin (7)
    123 Indiana (6)
    120 Texas (7)

    119 Michigan State (6)
    116 Michigan (7)
    115 Kentucky (6)

    106 K-State (7)

    98 Seton Hall (7)
    98 UVA (7)
    93 Notre Dame
    92 Pitt (7)
    91 North Carolina (6)
    90 St. John's (7)

    89 UCONN (7)
    89 Providence (7)
    84 Kansas (6)
    84 UCLA
    80 Baylor

    79 Cincy
    79 Butler (7)
    77 Florida (6)
    73 Memphis
    72 San Diego St

    63 N C State
    61 Syracuse (6)

    42 UNLV

    22 Gonzaga (2)

    10 Creighton

    These weighted averages are the items inside the parentheses above after the team name.

    The average SOS for the Top 30 teams was 91.

    Schedules with most Top 30 opponents

    08-Minnesota -9 (6-12) MN

    01-Indiana -5 (11-7) B10
    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    02-Michigan St -2 (13-5) B10
    04-Ohio St. -1 (13-5) B10
    03-Duke -2 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    05-Missouri -2 (14-4) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    03-Michigan -3 (13-5) B10
    03-Memphis -1 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    04-Wisc -4 (12-6) B10
    07-VCU -2 (15-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis

    ------------------------------------

    05-Marquette -2 (14-4) Marq

    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) BE
    04-Ohio St. -1 (13-5) N09
    03-Syracuse -1 (17-1) BE
    02-UNC -1 (14-2) N19N20N21 Maui
    02-Florida -2 (10-6) N29
    04-Wisc -4 (12-6) D08
    06-Texas -6 (9-9) N19N20N21 Maui
    09-Notre Dame -3 (13-5) BE
    07-Cincy -5 (12-6) BE
    08-Pittsburgh -13 (5-13) BE

    -------------------------------------

    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) Louisv

    01-Kentucky -1 (16-0) D29
    03-Syracuse -1 (17-1) BE
    03-Duke -2 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    05-Missouri -2 (14-4) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    03-Memphis -1 (13-3) D15/N22N23N24 Atlantis
    09-Notre Dame -3 (13-5) BE
    07-Cincy -5 (12-6) BE
    08-Pittsburgh -13 (5-13) BE
    07-VCU -2 (15-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    05-Marquette -2 (14-4) BE

    --------------------------------
    10-Georgetown -4 (12-6) Gtown

    01-Indiana -5 (11-7) N19N20 Legends
    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) BE
    03-Syracuse -1 (17-1) BE
    06-UCLA -6 (11-7) N19N20 Legends
    06-Texas -6 (9-9) D04
    09-Notre Dame -3 (13-5) BE
    07-Cincy -5 (12-6) BE
    08-Pittsburgh -13 (5-13) BE
    05-Marquette -2 (14-4) BE

    -------------------------------------------------
    03-Duke -2 (13-3) Duke

    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    01-Kentucky -1 (16-0) N13 Champions
    04-Ohio St. -1 (13-5) N28
    02-UNC -1 (14-2) ACC
    05-Missouri -2 (14-4) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    04-NC St - 5 (9-7) ACC
    03-Memphis -1 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    07-VCU -2 (15-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis

    --------------------------------------
    10-Stanford -7 (10-8) Stanf

    01-Louisville -7 (10-8) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    03-Duke -2 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    06-UCLA -6 (11-7) P12
    05-Missouri -2 (14-4) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    04-NC St - 5 (9-7) D18
    03-Memphis -1 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    05-Arizona -4 (12-6) P12
    07-VCU -2 (15-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis

    -------------------------------

    27-Illinois -10 (6-12) Illini

    01-Indiana -5 (11-7) B10
    02-Michigan St -2 (13-5) B10
    04-Ohio St. -1 (13-5) B10
    02-UNC -1 (14-2) N19N20N21 Maui
    03-Michigan -3 (13-5) B10
    04-Wisc -4 (12-6) B10
    06-Texas -6 (9-9) N19N20N21 Maui
    05-Marquette -2 (14-4) N19N20N21 Maui

    The weights I used and who I considered top 30 this year are:

    Weight Top 30 team-2012 Preseason Tournament

    30 01-Indiana -5 (11-7) N19N20 Legends
    29 01-Louisville -7 (10-8) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    28 01-Kentucky -1 (16-0) N13 Champions
    27 01-Kansas -1 (16-2) N19N20 CBE
    26 02-Michigan St -2 (13-5) N13 Champions
    25 04-Ohio St. -1 (13-5) N16N17N18 Hall of Fame
    24 03-Syracuse -1 (17-1) N09 Midway
    23 02-UNC -1 (14-2) N19N20N21 Maui
    22 03-Duke -2 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    21 06-UCLA -6 (11-7) N19N20 Legends

    20 02-Florida -2 (10-6) None
    19 05-Missouri -2 (14-4) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    18 03-Michigan -3 (13-5) N21N23 P-NIT
    17 02-Baylor -3 (12-6) N15N16N18 Charleston
    16 04-NC St - 5 (9-7) N15N16N18 Puerto Rico
    15 03-Memphis -1 (13-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    14 05-Arizona -4 (12-6) D22D23D25 Diamond Head
    13 05-UNLV -3 (9-5) N23N23 Vegas Classic
    12 04-San Diego St -2 (14-4) D22D23D25 Diamond Head
    11 06-Gonzaga -2 (13-3) N22N23N25 Old Spice

    10 04-Wisc -4 (12-6) N23N23 Vegas Invit
    09 06-Texas -6 (9-9) N19N20N21 Maui
    08 09-Notre Dame -3 (13-5) N16N17 Cancer
    07 07-Cincy -5 (12-6) N23N23 Vegas Classic
    06 06-Creighton -2 (14-4) N23N23 Vegas Invit
    05 07-Kansas St. -5 (10-8) N21N23 P-NIT
    04 08-Pittsburgh -13 (5-13) N21N23 P-NIT
    03 07-VCU -2 (15-3) N22N23N24 Atlantis
    02 07-SLU -2 (12-4) N19N20 CBE
    01 05-Marquette -2 (14-4) N19N20N21 Maui


    By far the Battle 4 Atlantis has the toughest preseason field this year with 5 Top 30 teams.

    # Top 30 Weight Field

    5 88 N22N23N24 Atlantis (5 Top 30 teams - Louisv, Duke. MO. Memphis, VCU plus MN, Stanford and N Iowa)

    2 51 N19N20 Legends (2 Top 30 teams - Indiana and UCLA plus G-town)

    3 33 N19N20N21 Maui (3 Top 30 UNC, TX and Marq plus Butler, Illini, MS St, USC))

    2 29 N19N20 CBE (2 Top 30 KU and SLU plus A&M and Wash St))

    3 27 N21N23 P-NIT (3 Top 30 Mich, K-St and Pitt plus UVA)

    2 26 D22D23D25 Diamond Head (2 Top 30 Zona and San Diego St plus Miami FL and Ole MS))

    1 25 N16N17N18 Hall of Fame (1 Top 30 Ohio St plus Wash, S Hall))

    1 17 N15N16N18 Charleston (1 Top 30 Baylor pls St. John's, Murray St, Dayton and Colorado))

    1 16 N15N16N18 Puerto Rico (1 Top 30 NC St plus TM, Prov, Okl St)

    2 13 N23N23 Vegas Classic (2 Top 30 UNLV and Cincy plus Iowa St and Oregon)

    1 11 N22N23N25 Old Spice (1 Top 30 Zags, plus Vandy, West VA, Davidson, Okl and Clemson)

    2 10 N23N23 Vegas Invit (2 Top 30 Wisc and Creighton plus Arkansas, AZ Sat, Cornell)

    1 8 N16N17 Cancer (1 Top 30 Notre Dame plus FSU, St. Joe's and BYU)

    4 103 Champions not a tournament but 4 top programs in UK, KU, Mich St, and Duke)

    2 36 Midway (not a tournament but Syracuse vs. San Diego St)

    1 0 None (Florida)

    33 total top 30 games with KU and Duke in a tournament plus Champions and SD St in a tournament plus Midway.

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