What does Mason and the Coaching staff have to say about his "Development goals" for his Senior year?
Its easy to say "this needs to get better" or "that needs to improve" .. yadda yadda... but unless someone is going to expressly define the goals for him and how he fits as a focal for the team... then all he can do is disappoint and feed the perception.
Hello Rock, meet hard place..
Wojo does his best, but that wasn't his position. Too bad his (and Ks, since Wojo is his alter ego) and Ks egos
are too much tied up in this. Makes it tough to get someone else.
Jared Sullinger is 48th in the nation in defensive rebounding percentage. Mike Scott is 41st. Anthony Davis is 52nd. Tyler Zeller is 181st.
Give it up. You were wrong about Mason's defensive rebounding prowess. Your guess is also wrong about his offensive rebounding -- he's not nearly as good at that (153rd in the country) than he is at defensive rebounding.
Miles, on the other hand, was 8th in the country in offensive rebounding percentage (2nd among "Big 6" players). That's pretty amazing if you think about it.
Last edited by Kedsy; 04-13-2012 at 12:50 PM.
One can have all kinds of fun with stats, so I'm not saying this proves that Mason is an elite defensive rebounder, but his being #32 in this particular stat certainly doesn't tend to refute it.
(Just for fun, I'll mention that there are some NBA tracked Synergy stats that basically provide an adjusted rebounding +/- rating which sometimes does not match with a player's other offensive and defensive rebounding #s and %s. This could mean that while one is good at grabbing all their teams easy rebounds when on the court, their rebounding style somehow hinders the team's overall rebounding acumen (perhaps they never box out except when going for a rebound themselves). Also, a player who is especially efficient at blocking the opposing power forward out, allowing others on his own team to get the rebound, is not credited with a rebound yet has likely played a larger role in the team gaining/retaining possession than the other player who perhaps didn't need to box anyone out. Or perhaps he really is a great rebounder, but because of the team's substitution pattern he is always forced to play with a lineup of 4 other poor rebounders? Anyways, some food for thought and argument for use of advanced stats, while remaining careful about how one interprets the data.)
Go Duke!!!!!!!!!! Go Blue Devils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTHCGTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blah, blah, blah. Duke can't win with the 3. Duke can't develop NBA players. Duke is too unathletic to win (won it all that year). Duke can't this, Duke can't that. This is just the next train to hop on to draw in the masses. Come on guys, don't fall for it. It's a stupid argument. Coaches are saying it, commentators are saying it, daddy's are saying it...sure they are, they want to say anything to be heard and dissing Duke is a sure way to do it. Just be glad we're still being talked about, year after year after year and enjoy it til Coach K retires cause I guarantee it ain't stopping.
And can someone please give me a statistical breakdown of the heights for the other big men coaches on top teams so we can put yet another stupid argument to rest I would appreciate it.
United States Navy (Retired)
This is a touchy subject but I'm gonna throw my two cents in anyway.
First of all, I agree that Mason has improved every year. It's obvious to me that he has.
Second, there's absolutely nothing wrong with setting screens, blocking shots and rebounding, that's what all big men should do and know how to do well.
Third, I acknowledge that at some games Mason doesn't seem to be aggressive enough about establishing position and demanding the ball. That said I've also seen plenty of games where he has.
I agree that Mason can be utilized better.
He doesn't receive the ball enough and quickly enough in the post, and when he does it often isn't with the best positioning. Look at how Kansas uses their bigs -- their hi-lo plays put their bigs in scoring positions. We never seem to run those kinds of plays for Mason.
Why does he turn the ball over so often? In part because he's simply not receiving the ball in a good position. A dominant center should never have to dribble the ball for long; it should be two, maximum three dribbles before you're in a position to lay-up the ball.
Mason is an awesome running big man. But we hardly go on the fast break...in most part because we don't have the guards to do it (post-Kyrie), but that would be one way to utilize Mason more effectively.
He is also a fantastic passer. However, when he has the ball in the high post how often does another player cut to the basket? Usually we just stand around the perimeter waiting for a pass. Our offense becomes stagnant and Mason doesn't have the chance to showcase his passing skills. Sure, this may not be his fault, but it's another valid instance of how we are not utilizing him to his potential. Mason would be really great in a motion offense.
I'm sure he'll improve yet again in his senior year, but I'm not confident he will produce significantly better numbers. The source of that pessimism lies in the fact that this past season was supposed to be the year that Mason breaks out, that he becomes a major part of our offense. Yet I think most will agree that at best he played a complementary role in the offense this year.
7.4 shot attempts isn't very much at all, especially when many of those were alley-oops and put-backs.
Last edited by ice-9; 04-13-2012 at 01:07 PM.
http://cornerplay.com - the Shane Battier of tech blogs
Gaines' and Daughterty's comments are just revisionist history and kicking a man while he's down (due to the loss to a 15 seed). Mason has gotten better and gotten utilized more every single year at Duke. This will continue next season.
Probably so, though I'd say that a kid being recruited by Duke should get plenty of information about what is real and what isn't.
FWIW, I do think the wide-spread Terping about "Duke gets all the calls" which our friend Billy Packer helped promote, had some actual effect on how our games were called.
Does this mean Coach K needs to go on a P.R. offensive?
No, I'd rather see him continue to work with players and develop relationships with recrruits; and it wouldn't hurt Mason to work on his 10 to 15 foot jump shot.
It was most glaring with Mason and Andre, but also Miles and Seth (when he wasn't the primary ballhandler). Ryan didn't seem to have this problem when he set up outside, perhaps because he's so tall for a three-point shooter, but he did when he went inside. Also, the fact that most of our players were not good creators when they had the ball exacerbated the problem of them not getting the ball at the prime moment when they got open.
United States Navy (Retired)
I think people are missing the actual point of my post -- mason's (relative) lack of NBA interest has nothing to do with how Coach K uses him in the system. There are plenty of ways for players to show that they are NBA players outside of what offensive system you are in and Mason hasn't done many of them (except, sorry, maybe defensive rebounding.)
I wish the NBA was as uninterested in me as they are in Mason.
However, unfortunately, when you make such statements, some members on this board will declare you a troll and announce you as a fan of a different blue. I have done it before and one poster called my post as a 'negative recruiting advertisement'. Well, the word is on the street now and being talked among high school coaches and former players. We will see what will be done to quell this notion.
All I hope and wish now are two things:
1. We pull of major top 10 recruit within next two years for PF or C positions.
2. Mason doesn't drop in to second round of next year's draft by coming back. The pounding would be relentless if that happens.