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    Grant Hill to have knee surgery

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/77...s-knee-surgery

    He's supposed to return mid-April, but I think that this may be the end of a great career that could have been a phenomenal one without injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/77...s-knee-surgery

    He's supposed to return mid-April, but I think that this may be the end of a great career that could have been a phenomenal one without injuries.

    Back to Durham!!!?
    Supposedly minor surgery. But I am guessing coming back next year will be a gametime decision in the fall. He's 39.

    I dont think Grant will ever get into coaching. I could see him being a front office guy though. Just a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    ... a great career that could have been a phenomenal one ....
    Certainly has been great. Basically has had 12 or 13 full-ish seasons, w/ 5 others lost to injury. Grant has more than 17,000 points (#77 all-time in the NBA). He's #104 all-time in number of NBA games played.

    For his long career, averages of 17.1 ppg, 6 rebs, 4.3 assists, 1.2 steals .... night in and night out for 17 seasons over 18 years.

    If Grant could have had the lost 320-ish games at his 17 ppg scoring average, that's another 5440 points, and he would be around the top 30 all-time for NBA point total.

    As is, he's played nearly 1000 games, and has 17000+ points .... maybe phenomenal even with the injuries ...

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hillgr01.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilly View Post
    Certainly has been great. Basically has had 12 or 13 full-ish seasons, w/ 5 others lost to injury. Grant has more than 17,000 points (#77 all-time in the NBA). He's #104 all-time in number of NBA games played.

    For his long career, averages of 17.1 ppg, 6 rebs, 4.3 assists, 1.2 steals .... night in and night out for 17 seasons over 18 years.

    If Grant could have had the lost 320-ish games at his 17 ppg scoring average, that's another 5440 points, and he would be around the top 30 all-time for NBA point total.

    As is, he's played nearly 1000 games, and has 17000+ points .... maybe phenomenal even with the injuries ...

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hillgr01.html
    Do you think he's HOF worthy at this point?

    I think it's actually pretty close...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilly View Post
    Certainly has been great. Basically has had 12 or 13 full-ish seasons, w/ 5 others lost to injury. Grant has more than 17,000 points (#77 all-time in the NBA). He's #104 all-time in number of NBA games played.

    For his long career, averages of 17.1 ppg, 6 rebs, 4.3 assists, 1.2 steals .... night in and night out for 17 seasons over 18 years.

    If Grant could have had the lost 320-ish games at his 17 ppg scoring average, that's another 5440 points, and he would be around the top 30 all-time for NBA point total.

    As is, he's played nearly 1000 games, and has 17000+ points .... maybe phenomenal even with the injuries ...

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hillgr01.html
    Scoring is probably the least of his strengths, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerryFor50 View Post
    Do you think he's HOF worthy at this point?

    I think it's actually pretty close...
    7 time All-Star
    Rookie of the Year
    1st team All-NBA once
    2nd team All-NBA 4 times


    Basketball Reference rates his HOF probability at 0.413 which seems about right. Were Grant to play more and add 2,000 more points, he'd be top 50 in points all-time, ahead of the likes of Pippen, Isiah, Rick Barry and Doctor J. That's compelling. At 10+ points per game, that is 2.5 seasons away though. Perhaps too tall an order for a 39 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    Supposedly minor surgery.
    May I humbly disagree? If it's the meniscus, it hurts like a son of a gun if they remove it and there isn't anything left to cushion that joint.
    I have a pretty good idea about the pain he's probably been feeling. They'll likely do some general tidying up inside the joint, too. Can't imagine a guy his size running all the time afterwards.

    But, front office, as in ownership, most def. He'd be superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superdave View Post
    ... Basketball Reference rates his HOF probability at 0.413 which seems about right.....
    Interesting to look at the list of probability and see folks who score lower than Grant and who are in the HOF, like ... Calvin Murphy, Dan Issel, Chris Mullin, Bill Walton, and David Thompson.

    Then, look at the scores of players right around Grant who are not in the HOF: Mark Aguirre, Brad Daugherty.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ob_career.html

    To me, Grant is Mike Mussina. Seems like he sort of should make it, but maybe not, and thinking he won't....

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    Sunday night (April 1) at 10:00 p.m. Oprah's Master Class on OWN features Grant. He'll be talking about life lessons from the ankle surgery complications that almost killed him.

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    So sorry to see Grant Hill facing another injury setback, especially when he hasn't got a lot of time left as a player. I have tremendous respect for Hill, who seems to be a first-class human being in every way.

    When she was little, my daughter (now 25) developed a series of crushes on athletes, whom she liked to imagine she would marry someday. Grant Hill was the first of these; given what we now know about the others (Allen Iverson, Tiger Woods, Brett Favre), I think she could have just stopped with Grant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilly View Post
    Certainly has been great. Basically has had 12 or 13 full-ish seasons, w/ 5 others lost to injury. Grant has more than 17,000 points (#77 all-time in the NBA). He's #104 all-time in number of NBA games played.

    For his long career, averages of 17.1 ppg, 6 rebs, 4.3 assists, 1.2 steals .... night in and night out for 17 seasons over 18 years.

    If Grant could have had the lost 320-ish games at his 17 ppg scoring average, that's another 5440 points, and he would be around the top 30 all-time for NBA point total.

    As is, he's played nearly 1000 games, and has 17000+ points .... maybe phenomenal even with the injuries ...

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../hillgr01.html
    I meant phenomenal as in top 50 player of all time phenomenal. I'm certainly not trying diminish his career in any way. Coming out of college he had the kind of athleticism and work ethic to be at least considered on Pippen's level, without the rings, because nobody was going to put Grant with a player like Jordan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCFinARL View Post
    So sorry to see Grant Hill facing another injury setback, especially when he hasn't got a lot of time left as a player. I have tremendous respect for Hill, who seems to be a first-class human being in every way.

    When she was little, my daughter (now 25) developed a series of crushes on athletes, whom she liked to imagine she would marry someday. Grant Hill was the first of these; given what we now know about the others (Allen Iverson, Tiger Woods, Brett Favre), I think she could have just stopped with Grant!
    He'll back in the NBA next year imo. I watch a lot of Phoenix games via NBA league pass and he was quoted as saying that he wanted to play another couple of years. I think the shortened lockout season hurt him because he had knee surgery in September, then the shortened training camp and the heavy amount of games per week. Phoenix is still in the playoff chase; and if he returns in mid-April, he still has a solid chance of playing more games this season, especially if Phoenix makes the playoffs.

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    Surgery Successful

    Here is a link that the Suns website posted about the procedure. http://www.nba.com/suns/news/hill_procedure_120330.html

    I'm not a doctor but the injury doesn't appear to be too serious since the procedure took about 30 minutes to repair the tear in the meniscus of Grant's right knee.

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    Grant's just gearing up for the next 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    I meant phenomenal as in top 50 player of all time phenomenal. I'm certainly not trying diminish his career in any way. Coming out of college he had the kind of athleticism and work ethic to be at least considered on Pippen's level, without the rings, because nobody was going to put Grant with a player like Jordan
    I think your "at least" is appropriate as pre-injury I believe Hill was on a pace to have a greater career than Pippen, minus the rings, though he may have had the opportunity to make some playoff runs had he and McGrady been healthy together.
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    good vibes to grant......loved reading the other thread about laettner talking about how awesome grant would have been sans injuries...
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