Kendall Marshall Wrist Watch

[#1Duke]

While you are right that Hamilton made the suggestion that Roy get his TEAM off the court, I don't think there's any indication that Hamilton suggest Roy only get his STARTERS off the court...nor did Hamilton suggest that Roy put his walk-ons on the court. That part of it wasn't Roy taking Hamilton's advice...that was all on Roy.

You're also wrong, dead wrong, that Duke fans would in any way want Roy or any of his starters "get mobbed and possibly injured by wild FSU fans".

You might want to back that truck up and start over.

So what was Roy suppose to do? Take all his players off the court and leave the gym with time on the clock? That's what you are suggesting... or, ignore Hamilton's suggestion and subject his entire team and himself to possible injury.

So, if Roy didn't want to completely vacate the gym with his entire TEAM and some are saying that he left his walk ons to suffer whatever fate, they are not being reasonable or objective and just looking for a way to slam Ol'Roy again.

I can only assume that SOME wanted at least Roy to stay to the end... and at his age, weave his way through excited fans.

Your response just doesn't wash. I can only surmise that SOME just find fault no matter what and IF Roy would have done what SOME suggest he should have done, he would have been taking a unnecessary risk.
At the very least, I think some wanted/expected at least Roy to put himself in harms way... wanted to see him in the middle of a excited mob maybe knocked to the ground or at least pushed around.

Faced with the same situation, what do you think Coach K. would have done? Take his chances and keep everyone on the floor? Send his starters off and stay with the walk ons? Lead the entire team off the floor with time remaining?

It's just common sense and those that can't see that have other motives in mind.

It's easier for young athletic men to get off the court than it is for an elderly man to do so.... unless you think Roy was somehow going to run interference for the walk-ons and part the mob like Moses and the Red Sea.
As they say, common sense isn't so common anymore.

[MChambers]

Faced with the same situation, what do you think Coach K. would have done? Take his chances and keep everyone on the floor? Send his starters off and stay with the walk ons? Lead the entire team off the floor with time remaining?

Luckily, we don't have to speculate as to what Coach K would have done. Duke has faced this situation many times, probably more than any other college basketball team, and has always kept its players and coaches on the floor.

[#1Duke]

Luckily, we don't have to speculate as to what Coach K would have done. Duke has faced this situation many times, probably more than any other college basketball team, and has always kept its players and coaches on the floor.

There MUST have been a reason why Hamilton suggested that Roy get is team off the floor. Can you tell me when Coach K was told by an opposing coach to get his team off the floor?
Are you saying that Duke has been blown away "many times" while highly ranked? I don' think so.
I can't remember Duke facing this EXACT same situation MANY TIMES.

[CDu]

There MUST have been a reason why Hamilton suggested that Roy get is team off the floor. Can you tell me when Coach K was told by an opposing coach to get his team off the floor?
Are you saying that Duke has been blown away "many times" while highly ranked? I don' think so.
I can't remember Duke facing this EXACT same situation MANY TIMES.

Coach K has also pulled his kids off the floor before the end of an FSU game. However, the FSU fans had already stormed the court, and he didn't high-tail it out of there without confirming all of his players left the floor.

Further, are we sure that Hamilton actually suggested it? He seemed a bit surprised when Williams came over for the early handshake.

As for how often we've been in a court-storming situation: Clemson, Georgetown, FSU, Maryland, Wisconsin, OSU, NC State, VT, etc etc etc.

[pfrduke]

There MUST have been a reason why Hamilton suggested that Roy get is team off the floor. Can you tell me when Coach K was told by an opposing coach to get his team off the floor?
Are you saying that Duke has been blown away "many times" while highly ranked? I don' think so.
I can't remember Duke facing this EXACT same situation MANY TIMES.

I think all of our non-Chapel Hill ACC road losses over the last 8 years or so* have resulted in the court being stormed. Including several times at FSU (most recently, last January). Admittedly, we were never down by 33 in the final seconds**, but we've never left the building early.

*except probably in 2007, when beating us was a little easier
**there was the 20+ point loss to Clemson in 2009 - definitely didn't leave the floor early in that one, even though it was abundantly clear the game was over in the waning seconds.

[#1Duke]

Coach K has also pulled his kids off the floor before the end of an FSU game. However, the FSU fans had already stormed the court, and he didn't high-tail it out of there without confirming all of his players left the floor.

Further, are we sure that Hamilton actually suggested it? He seemed a bit surprised when Williams came over for the early handshake.

Yeah, we are sure that Hamilton suggested it... and if I remember correctly, Hamilton got up off his seat, approached the refs who called Roy over and they had their talk and Hamilton suggested that Roy get his team off the court.

[#1Duke]

Coach K has also pulled his kids off the floor before the end of an FSU game. However, the FSU fans had already stormed the court, and he didn't high-tail it out of there without confirming all of his players left the floor.

Further, are we sure that Hamilton actually suggested it? He seemed a bit surprised when Williams came over for the early handshake.

As for how often we've been in a court-storming situation: Clemson, Georgetown, FSU, Maryland, Wisconsin, OSU, NC State, VT, etc etc etc.

EVERY team at one time or another has been in a court-storming situation... that's not the point. The point is, there must have been a reason that Hamilton told Roy to get his team off the court.
Now, IF Roy would not have taken Hamilton's advise and a starter was injured, THAT would have been the big story.

Like, Coach Roy Williams ignored Coach Hamilton's advice to leave court and has player/players injured.

THEN, it would have been .... Coach Roy Williams was short sighted and failed to protect his players and insists that everyone stay on the floor. He pays a huge penalty when starter is injured....

Danged if you do and Danged if you don't.

[MChambers]

There MUST have been a reason why Hamilton suggested that Roy get is team off the floor. Can you tell me when Coach K was told by an opposing coach to get his team off the floor?
Are you saying that Duke has been blown away "many times" while highly ranked? I don' think so.
I can't remember Duke facing this EXACT same situation MANY TIMES.

I am pleased to say that Duke has never lost at FSU by 33 points. I guess you think that makes any other court rushing incident involving Duke irrelevant. I think it's obvious that we don't think alike,

[blueduke59]

Yeah, we are sure that Hamilton suggested it... and if I remember correctly, Hamilton got up off his seat, approached the refs who called Roy over and they had their talk and Hamilton suggested that Roy get his team off the court.

Bottom line: Roy took his starters off the court and put walkons out there in their stead while he and the starters high tailed it to the locker room. You see nothing wrong with this?

[#1Duke]

I am pleased to say that Duke has never lost at FSU by 33 points. I guess you think that makes any other court rushing incident involving Duke irrelevant. I think it's obvious that we don't think alike,

I guess that's so. You haven't answered my questions though. What do YOU think Roy should have done in that situation?

[#1Duke]

Bottom line: Roy took his starters off the court and put walkons out there in their stead while he and the starters high tailed it to the locker room. You see nothing wrong with this?

No, I don't and would expect Coach K to do the same thing in the same situation. I would not expect coach K to rip his shirt off, part the mob and gather his players together. Especially considering that the young dudes would be 3/4 of the way to the locker room before K took 3 steps.

Like I said, no reason to risk getting a starter injured. No reason for Roy to stay... he would have been useless in protecting the remaining players... in fact, I'm pretty sure that's securities job.
It's easier for 5 athletic young men to run off the court than it is for an elderly coach to do so and again, what protection do you think Roy would have offered them?

Come on guys, unless you can come up with a reasonable alternative to what WAS done... which no one has offered.... I think we cut Ol'Roy a break here. ANY coach in the EXACT same situation should be cut a break.

[Johnboy]

I guess that's so. You haven't answered my questions though. What do YOU think Roy should have done in that situation?

Stay with the walkons. Be a captain that goes down with the ship rather than Captain Schettino.

Also, this thing about Hamilton suggesting it - you're going to need to provide a link to that. I watched the game and followed coverage afterwards. IIRC, Roy suggested ending the game early, not Hamilton. I remember Hamilton looking puzzled at the time.

In other words, he should have done exactly as Coach K actually did in 2006 (K stayed with the team on the floor and sent everyone else to the locker room early for their safety).

[crimsonandblue]

No, I don't and would expect Coach K to do the same thing in the same situation. I would not expect coach K to rip his shirt off, part the mob and gather his players together. Especially considering that the young dudes would be 3/4 of the way to the locker room before K took 3 steps.

Like I said, no reason to risk getting a starter injured. No reason for Roy to stay... he would have been useless in protecting the remaining players... in fact, I'm pretty sure that's securities job.
It's easier for 5 athletic young men to run off the court than it is for an elderly coach to do so and again, what protection do you think Roy would have offered them?

Come on guys, unless you can come up with a reasonable alternative to what WAS done... which no one has offered.... I think we cut Ol'Roy a break here. ANY coach in the EXACT same situation should be cut a break.

I'm not sure any other coach would have left the floor and his kids. I'm certain no coach in America would have then said he had no idea his walkons were still out on the floor, as Roy later maintained. I don't see an issue getting some kids to the locker room. I do see an issue not staying behind for those who haven't left and the coach then somehow claiming he didn't know there were still kids on the floor.

Here's what Bill Self did in a similar situation where a court storming against Kansas was pending against Iowa State:

Self helped ref: A high-placed source who witnessed the court-storming aftermath of Saturday’s KU-Iowa State game at Hilton Coliseum in Ames on Monday praised Self. Self joined ISU university police and ISU officials in assisting Big 12 ref Darron George, who cut his hand and also chipped a bone in his knuckle after getting run into by fans.

“KU coach Self and the KU players stopped to help George when they saw him kneeling in a hallway and bleeding profusely. Self kept people from running into George and called for the KU doctor to make sure somebody was coming over to assist,” the source, who did not wish to be identified, told the Journal-World.

“The medical staff of Iowa State shuffled George into the training facility to care for him, but Self was right there until the ref was taken care of,” the source added. “After losing a game and having the stress of making sure his kids got off of the floor safely ... the fact that he set all of that aside to offer help says a lot.”

Self would not comment on his role in helping George, who also declined comment.

Self has spoken about the incident in general.

“That was a dangerous deal,” Self said. “Whenever an official goes down like he went down ... we go back there and he’s laying on the floor and in so much pain he can’t communicate with you and you don’t know what is going on... if it can happen to officials who are escorted off the floor, it can happen to anybody.

“If that had been a last-possession game, I think somebody would have gotten hurt,” added Self, who had all his players stand near the scorer’s table as he instructed the five players on the court to dribble the ball near that area as the clock wound down and the students prepared to storm. “Somebody would have run into players and a player would retaliate or something trying to get through it (mob). Somebody could accidentally push somebody down and that person gets trampled. It’s nobody’s fault, but if you are going to allow it to happen, I think there has to be some security to at least allow a three or four-foot area for guys to walk through the crowd.”

[blueduke59]

No, I don't and would expect Coach K to do the same thing in the same situation. I would not expect coach K to rip his shirt off, part the mob and gather his players together. Especially considering that the young dudes would be 3/4 of the way to the locker room before K took 3 steps.

Like I said, no reason to risk getting a starter injured. No reason for Roy to stay... he would have been useless in protecting the remaining players... in fact, I'm pretty sure that's securities job.
It's easier for 5 athletic young men to run off the court than it is for an elderly coach to do so and again, what protection do you think Roy would have offered them?

Come on guys, unless you can come up with a reasonable alternative to what WAS done... which no one has offered.... I think we cut Ol'Roy a break here. ANY coach in the EXACT same situation should be cut a break.

"Fellas the Black Falcon, Z, and I have gotta bail. In a few seconds this could get worse than Haiti. If you make it back to the locker room we'll meet you there. Lotsa luck"

[Greg_Newton]

Yeah, we are sure that Hamilton suggested it... and if I remember correctly, Hamilton got up off his seat, approached the refs who called Roy over and they had their talk and Hamilton suggested that Roy get his team off the court.

Please stop pretending to be a Duke fan.

Anyway, you UNC fans may sure, but the rest of the world isn't.

Williams says he tried to explain the issue to an official standing in front of the team's bench, but said the referee responded with,"I don't know what to tell you."

During a dead ball timeout, Williams said he spoke with Florida State coach Leonard Hamilton about his concerns and Hamilton agreed that Williams should take his players off the court.

Doesn't exactly sound like it was Leonard's idea, does it.

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[#1Duke]

]Please stop pretending to be a Duke fan.[/B]

Anyway, you UNC fans may sure, but the rest of the world isn't.



Doesn't exactly sound like it was Leonard's idea, does it.

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Please, just because someone tries to see BOTH sides of the story , uses some common sense and remains objective, he is not a fan. OK.

So, what I'm getting here is that Roy should have stayed with the walk ons although he would have offered little to no help in getting them off the floor and risked personnel injury.

If that's what some think that's OK with me... I think it's foolish but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If the situation ever comes up where Coach K is in the exact same position, I HOPE he gets himself off the floor and protects himself.
I see no sense in trying to do something you can not possibly do and risking injury for appearance sake.... some may, I don't.

[#1Duke]

Please stop pretending to be a Duke fan.

Anyway, you UNC fans may sure, but the rest of the world isn't.



Doesn't exactly sound like it was Leonard's idea, does it.

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Hamilton and the Ref called Roy over... I saw the game, and the commentators said " Hamilton just told Roy to get his team off the floor".

[crimsonandblue]

Please, just because someone tries to see BOTH sides of the story , uses some common sense and remains objective, he is not a fan. OK.

So, what I'm getting here is that Roy should have stayed with the walk ons although he would have offered little to no help in getting them off the floor and risked personnel injury.

If that's what some think that's OK with me... I think it's foolish but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If the situation ever comes up where Coach K is in the exact same position, I HOPE he gets himself off the floor and protects himself.
I see no sense in trying to do something you can not possibly do and risking injury for appearance sake.... some may, I don't.

Well, in Roy's situation, sticking around for the walkons would have cured his misconception that they were trotting along behind him, off the floor, as the game clock wound down, as he claims he thought they were.

Back on topic - imagine if poor Stillman White had been killed in the carnage of Seminole floor rushers. Marshall would have his wrist filled with cement to face the Bobcats.

[alteran]

FSU's coach suggested that Roy and the starters get off the court before the end of the game. If you watched the game, Hamilton approached Roy and the refs and made the suggestion as the commentators explained.

Wrong. That was a very favorable meme to Roy/UNC forwarded by the sports press (funny how that happens for UNC, huh?), but Hamilton merely acceded to Roy's request. Even Roy said so after the fact. Maybe the press forgot to send him a memo and get the stories straight.

Don't take my word for it, take it straight from the horse's (rear's) mouth:

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/uncnow...-his-own-words

Spare yourself Roy's verbal wandering and start reading the 13th paragraph (the one that starts with "Joe said") and the following paragraph. Basically, he says it was all his idea.

I agree we're sometimes too hard on Roy here, but then again, sometimes he really does act like a particularly petulant child.

--alteran

[alteran]

Hamilton and the Ref called Roy over... I saw the game, and the commentators said " Hamilton just told Roy to get his team off the floor".

Yeah, funny how with absolutely no facts at all, the commentators just automatically assumed a story line favorable to UNC. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you.