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    Kendall Marshall Wrist Watch

    CBS just confirmed that Marshall broke his wrist against Creighton. Tough break (no pun intended). When it happened, I was surprised at how quickly he got up. I hate UNC as much as the next guy but hate to see a kid go down to injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmduke2001 View Post
    CBS just confirmed that Marshall broke his wrist against Creighton. Tough break (no pun intended). When it happened, I was surprised at how quickly he got up. I hate UNC as much as the next guy but hate to see a kid go down to injury.
    Are you sure? That was the injury that Henson had, and he was reinjured today at the end of the first half. If so, that is really devastating.

    sage

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    Are you sure? That was the injury that Henson had, and he was reinjured today at the end of the first half. If so, that is really devastating.

    sage
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    Yep, It Happened

    Thanks. Lightning, apparently, does strike twice to the same body part. Of course, ESPN isn't reporting anything yet. Bad for kendall, and an undeserved blow to the Tarheels. Hope for a miracle recovery.

    sage

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    Yes, would love the details since I refused to watch the 2nd half.

    How/when did it happen?
    Is he for sure done for the tourney?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGirl4ever View Post
    Yes, would love the details since I refused to watch the 2nd half.

    How/when did it happen?
    Is he for sure done for the tourney?
    It happened around the 11 minute mark - he went up for a lay-up and was fouled hard. Didn't notice it at the time, but apparently he played using only his left hand from that point on (and missed a couple of FTs).

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    Roy announced it in the press conference - fractured wrist. On his non-dominant hand, but I still doubt he'll be able to play the rest of the season.

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    I just posted this on the MW Region thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    Marshall sees everything, which explains why several of his assists each game come from passes when the opponent guarding the pass-recipient isn't looking or thinking. Marshall is always thinking, always looking. Is it coincidence that his vision is matched by his hand-eye coordination and pass-spin-location-and-pace? Marshall pays attention, and knows that many basketball players sometimes - actually frequently - don't. It's quite an advantage, when playing basketball.
    I don't like this news for him at all. It's his right hand, non-shooting, but Kenny Smith was pessimistic about the whole thing.

    Roy just described it as a fractured right wrist.

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    That almost sounds like he needs a cast.

    Are players allowed to play with a cast on their hand?

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    Scaphoid fractures are typically treated with immobilization. If they aren't treated appropriately, they are notorious for leading to future arthritis and other chronic issues. It is his non-dominant hand, but my guess is he'll need to be casted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukedoc View Post
    Scaphoid fractures are typically treated with immobilization. If they aren't treated appropriately, they are notorious for leading to future arthritis and other chronic issues. It is his non-dominant hand, but my guess is he'll need to be casted.
    If I remember correctly, the scaphoid is not a particularly well vascularized bone and healing can be tricky. I think immobilization is key in a good recovery. Even in his non-shooting hand, Marshall probably won't be able to safely play with a scaphoid fracture. Obviously this is early with a lot of speculation, but I would think a scaphoid fracture would shut Marshall down for the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davekay1971 View Post
    If I remember correctly, the scaphoid is not a particularly well vascularized bone and healing can be tricky. I think immobilization is key in a good recovery. Even in his non-shooting hand, Marshall probably won't be able to safely play with a scaphoid fracture. Obviously this is early with a lot of speculation, but I would think a scaphoid fracture would shut Marshall down for the tournament.
    This is exactly right. If not treated appropriately, scaphoid injuries can lead to avascular necrosis, which is essentially permanent deterioration due to lack of adequate blood supply. It is possible he will play, but he/they will be playing with fire in risking long-term chronic issues for the sake of the here and now. This is the tournament, though, so I wouldn't be completely surprised if they found a way to keep him on the court.

    Clint Jackson is also tweeting about surgical screws as if Kendall would be 100% after leaving the operating room after such a procedure. Not that simple. There is still significant healing that has to occur even after such a procedure and significant symptoms that linger for a while. Even if he were to play he would not likely play anywhere near his full capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukedoc View Post
    This is exactly right. If not treated appropriately, scaphoid injuries can lead to avascular necrosis, which is essentially permanent deterioration due to lack of adequate blood supply. It is possible he will play, but he/they will be playing with fire in risking long-term chronic issues for the sake of the here and now. This is the tournament, though, so I wouldn't be completely surprised if they found a way to keep him on the court.

    Clint Jackson is also tweeting about surgical screws as if Kendall would be 100% after leaving the operating room after such a procedure. Not that simple. There is still significant healing that has to occur even after such a procedure and significant symptoms that linger for a while. Even if he were to play he would not likely play anywhere near his full capacity.
    It really depends on the location of the fracture and whether there are any additional injuries. The part of the scaphoid furthest from the wrist joint toward the fingers has relatively good blood supply and the part closest to the fingers relatively poor. Just by the fact it's visible on x-ray (only modality that could be done quickly enough after or during the game for Roy to be able to comment) it has to be worse than a hairline or non-displaced fracture. I could see a scenario where he could have surgery Mon or Tues and hope for the best; I too doubt he'd play next weekend but could the following with a splint. I don't see a scenario where he'd play without surgery; the potential of three weeks before any surgery would be performed could severely jeopardize his likelihood of healing.

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    Lovable ol' huck.

    "Kendall has a fractured wrist and that's all I can tell you," North Carolina coach Roy Williams said. " We don't know. He's got a fracture of the scaphoid bone of the right wrist. And you can ask any question you want, but I just told you all we know. We do not know anything else. So be intelligent and don't ask. We'll speak to the hand specialist tonight with Kendall and his family and we'll see what happens after that."

    dbag

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy View Post
    It really depends on the location of the fracture and whether there are any additional injuries. The part of the scaphoid furthest from the wrist joint toward the fingers has relatively good blood supply and the part closest to the fingers relatively poor. Just by the fact it's visible on x-ray (only modality that could be done quickly enough after or during the game for Roy to be able to comment) it has to be worse than a hairline or non-displaced fracture. I could see a scenario where he could have surgery Mon or Tues and hope for the best; I too doubt he'd play next weekend but could the following with a splint. I don't see a scenario where he'd play without surgery; the potential of three weeks before any surgery would be performed could severely jeopardize his likelihood of healing.
    All good points. Curious to see how this plays out. Certainly a chance he'll be back on the court before the tourney ends, provided UNC continues to win without him. However, even if he's reduced and fixed in the OR, it's hard to imagine he'll be anything like his true self without weeks of requisite rest and rehabilitation. Sad for the kid, he's a good person and player.

    Addendum: Ah! Just saw that you're in Orthopedics on your profile. I will defer to your expertise and commentary. I'm an internist and pediatrician. I deal with joints/scaphoids, but in a far less sophisticated manner than you.

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    Hate for the kid, he's a heck of a player and he is the engine. This will totally change the way UNC operates. They'll become a half-court team.

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    That's it for us. Just devastating. We can win another game, only because of the level of the competition, but it's hard to imagine we'll go any further if he is sidelined.

    I don't know how it happened, and I doubt it was intentional, but Creighton was fouling HARD that game. See the video below. Watch the double fore-arm to Zeller's neck.

    I understand that playing physical against UNC is part of every scouting report, but I do wish the refs had reined it in a bit. Again, I am not saying that Marshall's injury was the result of an excessively hard foul. But I'll be curious to see the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IYQ0...e_gdata_player

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoHeel View Post
    That's it for us. Just devastating. We can win another game, only because of the level of the competition, but it's hard to imagine we'll go any further if he is sidelined.

    I don't know how it happened, and I doubt it was intentional, but Creighton was fouling HARD that game. See the video below. Watch the double fore-arm to Zeller's neck.

    I understand that playing physical against UNC is part of every scouting report, but I do wish the refs had reined it in a bit. Again, I am not saying that Marshall's injury was the result of an excessively hard foul. But I'll be curious to see the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IYQ0...e_gdata_player
    It was a common foul as Marshall was going up for a lay up. Marshall lost his balance in the air and landed awkwardly. He sprang right up, which really surprised me. Nothing excessively rough or dirty.

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    I very recently had a scaphoid fracture, IF it doesn't require surgery which it often does, you have to put it in a hard cast for at least a few weeks to see how it heals up. Even if he could play, Kendall's passing is more important to his shooting and he does it so well and so fundamentally that he uses his right hand a lot. This is awful for Carolina, probably the worst injury they could incur. Hard to believe they lose McDonald, Strickland, and Marshall.

    Does an injury like this, provided they don't win the tournament, affect Harrison and Henson's decision to go to the league? I feel like it really has that potential.

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    As much as I can't stand UNC, it's awful for the players to get hurt. Good luck to Marshall and I hope he has a speedy recovery.

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