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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    True, which is likely why the Creighton player was called for a Flagrant I.

    I also believe another Creighton player got a T for yapping at one of the Tarheels.
    Oh, I was just watching the youtube clip. Good to know.

    Looks like the call must have been a bit late, but better late than never.

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    it could be great theater if state and unc play again.........
    "Either we're going down, or they are....... Kirk out!"

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    I think NC State might have something to say about that. Carolina needed the help of some questionable officiating to get by State for the third time this season. Without Marshall, I REALLY like States chances. You know they say it's hard to beat the same team 4 times in a season
    Ah, haha, I forgot Purdue would have a game against State first. That was dumb of me.

    You're absolutely right. But while I'd love to see State get redemption on UNC, I'm just not confident that would happen. Maybe I'm just a pessimist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Duke View Post
    Henson is irreplaceable as a shot blocker/changer and rebounder. He is tremendous on defense. Look at what he did today.... and, there defense looked pretty good today against a team that usually scores big.
    Marshall while an assist machine is not a strong defensive player and until recently, not much of a scorer.
    I am not suggesting that Marshall will not be missed, he certainly will be.
    I'm saying that "IF" White/Watts can keep the turn overs very low and "IF" Barnes and McAdoo ( he has REALLY come on ) and the rest step it up, they can still make their run.
    Turnovers will be the key from here on out for the Heels.
    I look for Barnes to handle the ball more in Marshall's absence. I have noticed in the minutes that White has played, that seems to have been the case.
    Just think back to how vulnerable UNC was when Marshall couldn't score.... then when he started hitting shots, UNC looked like world beaters. When he wasn't, he was able to run the break and get everyone involved.

    Without Henson, UNC's defense suffers, but their offense doesn't. They NEED their offense more than their defense.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by FerryFor50 View Post
    Just think back to how vulnerable UNC was when Marshall couldn't score.... then when he started hitting shots, UNC looked like world beaters. When he wasn't, he was able to run the break and get everyone involved.

    Without Henson, UNC's defense suffers, but their offense doesn't. They NEED their offense more than their defense.
    I'm a " defense wins games " kind of guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Duke View Post
    I'm a " defense wins games " kind of guy.
    Oh I agree.

    But UNC is a "defense?" kind of team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerryFor50 View Post
    Wouldn't that be some poetic justice?

    Plus, if State beat UNC in the NCAAs... that fan base would NEVER shut up about it. Which would be awesome.
    IC would melt down and blow up every server they run the site on. That would be a great way to counter the Lehigh loss. "Pack takes down UNC, Advances to Final 4"...

    That would be an awesome deal... (I still hope Kansas pulls this game out though, just in case)
    I strongly feel that thats not a basketball issue. Im in charge of the basketball program as much the chancellor and the athletic director allow me to be. And its not a basketball issue.
    Williams said, he is aware of the classes that his players take. I think it varies on a coach, he said. I mean, Im pretty aware of what our guys are doing. And its not a basketball issue, guys. It is not a basketball issue. Its a university issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Duke View Post
    I'm a " defense wins games " kind of guy.
    And when you're UNC, sometimes your defense wins games for the opposition by tipping the ball into the wrong basket :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    IC would melt down and blow up every server they run the site on. That would be a great way to counter the Lehigh loss. "Pack takes down UNC, Advances to Final 4"...

    That would be an awesome deal... (I still hope Kansas pulls this game out though, just in case)
    As an NCSU alum... it'd be double-sweet.

  10. #90

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    Everyone here is thinking it's shaping up to be an easy weekend for UNC. But to me, it looks like it's shaping up to be an extremely easy weekend for NC State and Mark Gottfried.
    They made it to S16 and with the way they are playing, i think they have the best chance to take KU down. Then without KM, NC State can throttle UNC's offense. That is assuming, KM doesn't play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerryFor50 View Post
    Oh I agree.

    But UNC is a "defense?" kind of team.
    UNC is a better defensive team than you guys want to give them credit for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Duke View Post
    Henson is irreplaceable as a shot blocker/changer and rebounder. He is tremendous on defense. Look at what he did today.... and, there defense looked pretty good today against a team that usually scores big.
    Marshall while an assist machine is not a strong defensive player and until recently, not much of a scorer.
    I am not suggesting that Marshall will not be missed, he certainly will be.
    I'm saying that "IF" White/Watts can keep the turn overs very low and "IF" Barnes and McAdoo ( he has REALLY come on ) and the rest step it up, they can still make their run.
    Turnovers will be the key from here on out for the Heels.
    I look for Barnes to handle the ball more in Marshall's absence. I have noticed in the minutes that White has played, that seems to have been the case.
    Have to strongly agree with Ferry here. Marshall is by far the most irreplaceable player on that team. Not even close. There is a reason he made 1st Team All America and none of the others did. UNC can steal a game against Ohio, but w/o Marshall they are going to struggle mightily on offense. Plus he is their only true guard left other than White. What happens if teams press the heck out of them?

    I hope he plays, but if not, their title chances go way down. If they make it to the Elite 8, they start playing Top 15 and higher quality teams. They are fortunate their bracket has fallen apart as it is. Ohio is their last cupcake. Even if they draw State in the Elite 8, they will face a team with real talent playing their best ball of the year. Otherwise they face Kansas.
    I strongly feel that thats not a basketball issue. Im in charge of the basketball program as much the chancellor and the athletic director allow me to be. And its not a basketball issue.
    Williams said, he is aware of the classes that his players take. I think it varies on a coach, he said. I mean, Im pretty aware of what our guys are doing. And its not a basketball issue, guys. It is not a basketball issue. Its a university issue.
    Roy Williams 2012

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    Regarding the title of the front page and UNC being done, can we take this down please? Anyone ever heard of the weaxfgods?
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Wheat/"/"/" View Post
    UNC is a better defensive team than you guys want to give them credit for.
    I agree with this, but would insist that it's only true when UNC commits to play strong D. Zeller, especially, is much underappreciated; he's a fine D-player. Barnes can play good D - he seemed to enjoy the challenge against Singler - but I haven't seen him play consistently good D, to put it charitably.

    On the PG issue, I'm guessing - assuming no Marshall - that Watts gets a shot at it, White plays a bit more than previously, and Hairston gets some of those minutes, too.

    Fwiw, Kenny Smith just said he expects Marshall to suit up and play spot minutes.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wheat/"/"/" View Post
    UNC is a better defensive team than you guys want to give them credit for.
    Agreed. UNC, by most measures, including KenPom, was a heck of a lot better defensively than we were this year. Their interior defense is good enough to make up for pretty weak perimeter defense. Basically, with Henson in the middle, if you can make your 3s you can beat UNC. If you can't, you won't.

    Losing Marshall doesn't hurt UNC's defense, and it doesn't help. Marshall may not have been a stellar on-point defender...Stillman White isn't either. But UNC's offense will not be the same, at all, without Marshall.

    Think UNC when Lawson went down.

    This is a huge coaching challenge for Roy. Does he play White and hope he's another Hale (In-Hale Ex-Hale) without the mullet? Try to turn one of his other perimeter guys into a serviceable 1? Let Barnes chuck up 50 3s a game and tell Henson and Zeller to rebound everything? Use Kenny Smith's remaining eligibility? Suffice to say, ever since Marshall took over the point Roy's been able to roll out the ball and let Marshall run a high octane offense utilizing a posse of future lottery picks. That's when Roy's offense looks best, when he's got a rockstar point guard. Now he doesn't have that. I'll be very interested to see what he tries tough situation.
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  16. #96
    Just posted Kenny Smith's opinion that Marshall will suit up and play a little.

    Because he has a real future as a pro, I assume UNC will take no chances with that future.

    However, if it is determined by medical experts that, with some sort of protective cast, he could play some, I think Marshall is one of a small handful of guys who could figure out how to do some of what he usually does. Marshall sees things most players haven't a clue about. He knows, intuitively, how to get the ball places where most players don't know a place exists. He takes advantage of every opponent whose head is turned, and he knows how to spin a pass at the perfect angle and pace to get the ball in the optimal position to score.

    Some commentary among the talking TV heads have opined that, "no way he could be effective." If - big, big if - Marshall can play at all, there's at least a chance he could get some things done. Not the highest chance, but a higher chance than with any other player I can think of. Marshall knows how to do stuff.

  17. #97
    UNC has plenty of offensive threats and I did say " The rest of the team will have to step up in Marshall's absence". They'll HAVE to step up on both ends of the court.
    Zeller, Henson, Barnes, McAdoo, Bullock etc. are all capable scorers. Barnes and McAdoo can create and go after their own shots.
    They will miss Marshall's assists to be sure. Defense capabilities will probably be a wash.
    Again, if White/Watts keep turnovers very low and Barnes/McAdoo/Bullock step up, I think the Heels still have a decent chance.
    If nothing else, we'll really get to see what they're made of.... and, I agree that their defense is better than some give them credit for.
    Look for Barnes to handle the ball more as has been the case when White has been in.

  18. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by gumbomoop View Post
    Just posted Kenny Smith's opinion that Marshall will suit up and play a little.

    Because he has a real future as a pro, I assume UNC will take no chances with that future.

    However, if it is determined by medical experts that, with some sort of protective cast, he could play some, I think Marshall is one of a small handful of guys who could figure out how to do some of what he usually does. Marshall sees things most players haven't a clue about. He knows, intuitively, how to get the ball places where most players don't know a place exists. He takes advantage of every opponent whose head is turned, and he knows how to spin a pass at the perfect angle and pace to get the ball in the optimal position to score.

    Some commentary among the talking TV heads have opined that, "no way he could be effective." If - big, big if - Marshall can play at all, there's at least a chance he could get some things done. Not the highest chance, but a higher chance than with any other player I can think of. Marshall knows how to do stuff.
    I think he plays- 4 games is a lot but he will go in during the FF should they get there. It could be very inspiring. I am not counting UNC out until they are really out. If Roy gets it done with all these injuries- they are going to have to rename the Dean Dome.
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  19. #99
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    I takemy hat off to all of you. You are all so vey nice. How many UNC fans were so polite about Kelly getting injured?

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    @GaryParrishCBS Source close to UNC. Kendall Marshall will have surgery Monday. Hopeful he'll play in S16. But considered "unlikely."

    Supposedly Kendall's dad also posted on Facebook that he will get surgery tomorrow and "could" play Friday.

    This seems insane.

    I have to assume the aforementioned "surgery" just refers to putting a screw in a non-displaced fracture, or something. Still, seems pretty reckless.

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