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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    We have on of those already. (Assuming Mason stays). This team needs forwards not bigs. I thought that became fairly obvious once Kelly went down.
    Very, very true. I'm hoping Murphy can be this guy: I'm pretty sure I recall he was originally a top 15 recruit for 2012. With a year under his belt in this system, I hope he starts at small forward next year. Wasn't that a possibility for THIS year, until his concussion issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    We have on of those already. (Assuming Mason stays). This team needs forwards not bigs. I thought that became fairly obvious once Kelly went down.
    We do have those already. The key is utilization, the need for forwards notwithstanding.

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    Ryan at center?

    Quote Originally Posted by loldevilz View Post
    Here are a few things that should help:

    1. Quinn Cook should be our point guard from day 1. I think this could be the biggest difference for us. Cook is an elite point guard and with a year under his belt should improve on both ends. He will get everyone the ball in the right place at the right time.

    2. Murphy should start on the wing from day 1. We all know how nice it is to have a matchup problem on the wing like Singler. Though I don't expect Murphy to be Singler he will definitely help on the offensive and defensive ends. The only worry I have is that Coach K puts him at the four if Mason leaves.

    3. Junior/ Senior jumps. Ryan Kelly and Hairston could be great players if they could just get their bodies a bit more refined. Kelly needs to gain at least 20 pounds if he's gonna play center. Hairston needs to slim down so he can guard on the premeter.

    3. Sulaimon as X factor. He's a top 10 player in the nation and an elite perimeter defender. I honestly see him taking over for Dawkins when it becomes clear how great Sulaimon is on defense.

    I see this lineup eventually:

    Cook
    Sulaimon
    Murphy
    Hairston
    Kelly
    I must be on another planet or something, but this is the first time in any way, shape, or form, that I can recall anyone suggest Ryan Kelly can be a starting center. He has the height. That is about it. He is a face the basket, pick and pop four. His game resembles more of a three than a five anyway. Can you see Kelly manning the post defensively? An ok rebounder at best for his size, moving him to center I am afraid he becomes a below average one for the position. His lack of quickness and leaping ability means the opposition will take it to the rack every time and Ryan will be in constant foul trouble. Don't get me wrong. I love Ryan and what he does. We know all to well now what happened to Duke without him. But his best position and the best position for the team is staying with his current role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    By the way, I do have to offer the disclaimer that I didn't see the Duke-Lehigh game for reasons out of my control. But I did see every other televised game this season.
    Starter, very happy to still have you among the living and breathing! I saw your note in the other thread about being in the wreck. Very glad you and the soon to be Mrs Starter made it out of that ok.

    I also agree that Cook and Thornton can coexist and compliment each other, much like Wojo and Avery in 98. I expect both will improve quite a bit over the summer and be ready to go come October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starter View Post
    Agreed. Curry is a very good college player who had an uneven season and a terrible game at the worst possible time.

    I think most on this board know what I think about Quinn Cook: I'm a fan of his game, I think he has a high ceiling and I expect big things. I realize at times Cook was beaten badly on defense, and those moments are what stick in one's mind. But he is, after all, a freshman. He's also got quick feet, solid athleticism and the apparent ability to extend full-court, so I didn't think he was nearly as bad as other people made it out to be. With more playing time, I feel like it would have evened out and that what he offered as a penetrator and playmaker would also balance the ledger. I continue to think that with more of a commitment to him, Cook could have made a difference when the offense stagnated toward the end of the season, and I do feel that it capped our potential that he wasn't a more integral part of the team.

    Plus, in a recent poll of NBA players in Sports Illustrated about what college players could keep up in the League right now, Cook was one of the 21 players who got votes. (It'd be good to know whether it was solely Nolan Smith who voted for him -- which did cross my mind. But in the event that it wasn't, and Cook has played with and against a lot of the recent players to join the league, it's pretty impressive to see what people think of him.)

    That said, Thornton is a tough dude. And Krzyzewski loves him, which absolutely counts. It's tough for me to say who gets the starting nod next season. Krzyzewski has spoken in glowing terms about the positive things Thornton brings in terms of leadership and defense, and if he truly believes he's the second coming of Wojo, it's hard to say he won't start knowing the relationship he and Wojo had, and continue to have. But Krzyzewski has also shown an ability to shake things up as needed; a freshman Chris Duhon starting over a senior Nate James down the stretch in '01 for non-injury reasons comes to mind. It can probably go either way starter-wise -- if Thornton is a captain, it's hard to imagine him not starting -- but I would assume it at this point to be a straight time-split either way, assuming Cook stays healthy and works hard on his game over the offseason.

    Still though, there's no question that if he improves his defense enough to earn major court time, Quinn would bring a significant upgrade as an offensive player in the time he spends on the court:

    TT: 717 minutes, 138 points, 69 assists/34 TO (2.0 A/TO), 38% FG
    QC: 387 minutes, 146 points, 63 assists/18 TO (3.5 A/TO), 40% FG

    We'll see how it goes, but I think this is probably a good problem to have, two players who offer a variety of advantages between them. Thornton got a lot of game experience under fire this year, grew more comfortable as the season went and is fearless on defense; I'd imagine he continues to hone his outside shot and playmaking abilities. And in Cook, we have a true point guard with an extremely high ceiling on both ends of the ball if he works at it and stays healthy, and the potential to be a transformative player on next year's team.

    In fact, that's the most positive thing about next year's team: the recruiting class won't be limited to Sulaimon regardless of whether Krzyzewski pulls what seems like an upset and gets either Muhammad or Parker. Not only will he add Murphy and Marshall Plumlee, but in effect, I think he adds a potentially dynamite point guard in Cook to the rotation mix if he's ready for more responsibility.
    Excellent post, Starter. I am willing to give Cook a pass because he was a freshman and because of his knee, which contributed to his late integration into the system and, I believe, his defensive liabilities. I saw a lot of potential out of him as a full time ball handler, driver, scorer and passer. My hope is that he can develop in the defensive area in the off season, but on the whole I agree that he may just be sitting under our noses as one answer to what ails us. Plus, given what he brings to the table and what TT brings to the table as a totally different type of player is a nice problem to have at the PG spot.
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    ... with a losing NFL team in the backup quarterback. In college BB, losing or not, the most popular guy seems to be the new recruit.

    Why else would Seth Curry, third team All-ACC, sit in deference to the new recruit? Is this because he had one bad night against Lehigh, or was there something else?

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    I like Seth but in reality he is primarily a catch and shoot guy (and a very good one I might add). However:

    (1) He isn't athletic/quick enough to play solid on the ball defense (a SERIOUS flaw from this season's club)

    (2) Often cannot create his own shot against solid on the ball defenders (another SERIOUS flaw from this season's club)


    In my opinion the 10-11 team was fatally flawed due to #1 and #2 flaws listed above and thus had to rely too heavily on "the lottery" (Seth Andre Kelly shooting a ton of 3s) and died by playing that way.

    From what I have read/seen of Sulaimon he is more athletic/quicker than Curry. He is also probably longer/taller than Curry. As such, if he can adjust to the college game he simply adds another dimension to the team that Curry cannot. This will become particularly important if Rivers leaves which is anyone's guess but my gut just thinks he's gone.

    Of course no one really knows how Sulaimon (or any Freshman) will adjust from high school to college. If Sulaimon doesn't adjust well and just isn't ready I'd assume Curry would start at the 2 over Dawkins.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    Starter, very happy to still have you among the living and breathing! I saw your note in the other thread about being in the wreck. Very glad you and the soon to be Mrs Starter made it out of that ok.

    I also agree that Cook and Thornton can coexist and compliment each other, much like Wojo and Avery in 98. I expect both will improve quite a bit over the summer and be ready to go come October.
    Exactly! I think the Wojo/Avery comparison is apt, it's kind of what I had in mind when I was suggesting what each could bring to the table. There's a use for both sort of players.

    And thanks very much for the kind words (and to the others who've said stuff -- even the dreaded WHEAT! LOL). Scary stuff, and certainly puts a Duke loss in perspective. If there's a good thing that came out of it, at least I missed Duke-Lehigh. Far as I'm concerned, it never happened.

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by CLW View Post
    I dunno guys but I think we are in another 3-4 year rebuilding period much like we were after 05-06. Year 1 showed us several huge flaws this current group has (lack of quickness/stopping the dribble; inability to create own shot; no post presence; etc...). IMHO the nucleus of the next serious threat for a national championship is going to have to come from this Freshman class (G, MP3, Murphy, Cook) the 2012 Class - Sulaimon and the 2013 Class (Jones and TBD but potentially Parker and Randle).

    Just my gut feeling but I believe MP2 and Rivers are gone and Sulaimon is a recruiting class of 1.

    That would leave the 12-13 team as:

    1. Cook/Thornton
    2. Curry/Dawkins/Sulaimon
    3. G/Murphy
    4. Kelly/Hairston
    5. MP3

    That team would likely struggle with many/most of the same issues the 11-12 team had (barring some sort of break out improvement) where we probably are upset in the first weekend again (Round of 32 most likely).

    Wow, these are my thoughts almost to a T. I do hold out a small sliver of hope for Austin returning, not because "college is the best time of your life" (could we please get that cliche banned), but because the post-lockout draft is a crowded draft and Austin has a lot of things to work on, which even draftniks like Chad Ford have acknowledged. But realistically, next year's team will have similar issues to this year's, though it stands a better chance of getting to the round of 16 if Sulaimon can be a good perimeter defender and Kelly, Cook and Curry improve their games as much as we hope. It will still be a perimeter oriented team, but hopefully one with more bite on defense.

    I have never been a recruiting alarmist and have generally trusted K's ability to get the most out of his players, like he did this year until things spiraled downward the final couple of weeks. From 2007-2010, I worried about how good our players were to a certain degree, but I felt we still had very highly regarded talent like McRoberts, Paulus, Henderson, Singler, Scheyer etc that just hit a wall during the tournament. I believed in the ability of a few of those players to carry the Duke team singlehandedly in stretches.

    I'm more concerned at the gaps in the roster this year, how much more earthbound the talent seems, and how this situation might persist for a few years. I'm not talking about lack of bigs, but lack of high quality athletic wing talent...and yes, point guard worries me, too. Perhaps this year is a blip in the radar, but I look at next year's roster and am not close to blown away.

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    Reading Featherston's front page article started my mouth watering for next season. Speculating this early requires either a million what-ifs, or some assumptions. To keep things simple I'll go with assumptions:

    1) Austin Rivers and Mason Plumlee will return - big assumption in AR's case, but he's never said he's going to go, either. Less of an assumption in Mason's case - he's not likely to be a lottery pick, may not even be a sure 1st round pick, and he's got a strong academic focus as well as an opportunity to both improve his draft stock AND play with Marshall.

    2) We'll get Jefferson, but not Parker or Bazz

    3) There won't be any transfers or early graduations/transfers (Curry, for example, could theoretically graduate early and do that 1 year graduate school thing)

    So that leaves us with the following pieces:

    At point - Cook and Thornton.
    At wing - Rivers, Dawkins, Curry, Sheed
    At small forward - Murphy, Gbinije
    At power forward - Kelly, Hairston, Jefferson
    At center - Plumlee2, Plumlee3

    I think we'll be a more balanced team next year, and a couple of chronic problems we faced this year should be improved.

    We can expect a natural maturation of Thornton's and Cook's abilities. Cook will be another year removed from injury. He got significant PT this year and was inconsistent, as you'd expect from a freshman, particularly one who lost prep time due to injury. Cook has tremendous upside potential. I'm hoping to see a big leap forward, but, of course, that doesn't always happen. Even a reasonable improvement in his on-ball defense, scoring, and consistency will be a huge boost for our team next season. Thornton's upside is more limited, but given his work-ethic and desire, I would expect to see some improvement in scoring, ball handling, and continued dedication on defense. Point should be better than it was this year.

    If Rivers returns, then we'll be loaded and deep at the 2, probably the best combination of talent and depth at that position in the nation. Obviously it's a real possiblity that Rivers could go pro. If he does, we'll have to hope for improved consistency from Curry and Dawkins. Sheed is a freshman, could be very good, but I never look for consistency from freshmen, and I'm delighted when it happens. If Rivers goes pro, a rotation of Curry, Dawkins, and Sheed at the 2 at least gives us options if Curry and Dawkins continue to show some up and down performance as they have (noting that Curry's inconsistency is NOTHING compared to Dre's). So, if Rivers stays, we'll have an amazing rotation at the 2 and will be able to go small-ball when needed. If Rivers goes, we'll have enough depth with Curry/Dawk/Sheed to rotate guys and go with the hot hand of a very solid rotation.

    The 3 is a huge question mark, only because we haven't seen much of those guys. I still maintain that G wasn't really ready for prime time this year. Murphy supposedly has all the tools, and he likely benefitted from the redshirt year, but we have yet to see him play in the college game. If he is ready to be a starter, that will be a huge boost to our flexibility both on offense and defense. If G improves his offense significantly and can become the defensive guy we all think he can be, then he also gives us a great option at the small forward. Upside: our 3 is a real strength and we are much more balanced. Worst case: our 3 is still better than it was this year.

    The 4 is certainly going to be a strength. Kelly may have some limitations, but he had a very good year, and we can expect further improvement as a senior. Kelly's upside this year: an all-ACC caliber player. Hairston showed us great energy, good defense, and some offensive skills that he can develop. As a backup power forward, he's very, very solid. Reports on Jefferson indicate he may not have enough perimeter game to be a legitimate contender at the 3, so I put him at the 4. As a freshman, he may have more talent than Hairston, but given Hairston's maturity and strength, Jefferson may be behind him in the rotation. I'm not expecting a huge contribution from Jefferson this season, but that's okay -that means he could be a pleasant surprise.

    The 5 COULD also be a strength. Mason has been almost as tantalizing and frustrating as Dre. Part of it isn't his fault - how many times did we all note this year he or Miles being in good position in the post and not getting the ball. So, part of improving the 5 on offense is getting better work on the perimeter in getting the ball to the post in scoring position. Marshall supposedly is a strong back-to-the-basket guy. Mason has shown he can finish when he gets the ball in good position. Remember how well Mason did when Kyrie was driving and dishing to him? So, some of my hope in seeing improved low post production comes from hoping that Mason will be more consistent and Marshall will be ready as a backup. The other part is my hope that Cook, in particular, will do a better job feeding the post than he or the other perimeter guys did this year.

    Like this year, there's going to be excitement seeing the team develop, but I think we'll also have some frustration. For folks who only really enjoy a Duke team that's a beast and a likely national championship winner, 2012-2013 could be a frustrating season. This team may have some of the same problems we saw this year (especially perimeter and on-ball defense), but it may also (and I believe it will ultimately) shape into a much more balanced team than the 2011-2012 team. By tournament time, this could be a very good, solid, well rounded team and a legitimate contender.
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    Defense

    If keeping quick guards out of the lane is a problem again next year, I hope our bigs learn to make better plays contesting shots. There were a few times every game when a guard would drive and a big would rotate late and try to take a charge, ultimately getting called for a block. I feel like contesting a shot, not even necessarily blocking it, would be much easier for any of the Plumlees to do than taking a charge. Ryan and Josh are quick enough to get in place in time, but even if they do everything right, it doesn't guarantee the refs will see it that way. Taking a charge is still a great defensive play, but better decision making is what I am looking for.

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    Yes, you are on another planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfrommaiden View Post
    I must be on another planet or something, but this is the first time in any way, shape, or form, that I can recall anyone suggest Ryan Kelly can be a starting center. He has the height. That is about it. He is a face the basket, pick and pop four. His game resembles more of a three than a five anyway. Can you see Kelly manning the post defensively? An ok rebounder at best for his size, moving him to center I am afraid he becomes a below average one for the position. His lack of quickness and leaping ability means the opposition will take it to the rack every time and Ryan will be in constant foul trouble. Don't get me wrong. I love Ryan and what he does. We know all to well now what happened to Duke without him. But his best position and the best position for the team is staying with his current role.
    The subject of Kelly as center has been discussed multiple times on this board.

    The answer is that of course he can do it. He's 6'11". He's had solid shotblocking numbers for much of his career. His rebounding is not where one would like, but some of that comes from guarding fours instead of fives plus Mason and Miles being such accomplished rebounders. If an opposing center had to guard him, it would be huge mismatch on our end of the court. It's possible a year in the post would wear him down physically, but he will be a senior with a man's body next season. K's history is rife with successful Duke teams that had guys at center no burlier or more athletic than Kelly.

    Hopefully, though, Mason comes back.

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    Next Year

    OK, I'll take a stab at what I'd like to see next year. I'm going to assume that Austin and MP2 stay and that we don't get Bazz, Jefferson or Parker.

    pg - Austin, Cook, TT
    sg - Sheed, Curry, Austin, Andre
    sf - SG, Alex, Andre, Sheed
    pf - Ryan, Josh, Alex
    C - MP2, MP3

    First, I agree with those that have stated that Austin should be the PG. He should have the ball in his hands and the offense should run through him. Backing him up at PG would be Quinn Cook. I think Quinn's defense got much better as the season went on (and I was backing up games and re-watching is defense) and his attacking style on offense is a nice complement to Austin's attacking style on offense. Backing up Quinn would be TT. I'm not a big TT fan. Love his attitude but I don't think he has enough game. Tyler would be used when we needed to shake things up and I think his leadership is important and will really help the team but I'd prefer for that help to be in practice.

    If Austin is our PG, we have to hope Sheed is ready to play. I think Curry would be a good 6th man getting playing time every game and a good bit of PT against teams that he matches up well against. Obviously if Sheed isn't ready we can use Curry again in this role (as long as we have a SF starting). When Quinn is running the point, Austin can play the 2. Andre....sigh. I know this paragraph might not be the most popular thing I've posted on here but I'm calling it like I'm seeing it.

    We didn't play a SF this year and it really was an issue. The coaches inability to prepare SG to play was a huge disappointment. Here's hoping that Mike and Alex can step up and be ready. Andre can play SF when the match ups allow and when he's hitting his shots.

    Having Ryan starting at PF is a given and a strength. I'd love to see the staff explain to him that he's 6'10" and have him start trying to alter every shot in the paint instead of trying to draw charges like he's a 6'1" guard. Josh is a capable back up PF. His midrange game (if slightly improved) could provide some nice points off the bench. From what we have heard Alex could pitch in at PF when we go small or have foul trouble.

    Mason will be a beast and if we can make an entry pass or hit him on the roll off of picks he will have a monster year scoring. He's going to rebound very well and, like this year, he will be improved on defense. We've heard that MP3 is very talented. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.

    We are going to miss Miles, and I'm looking forward to see who will step up and be a leader on the court. Of course if we land Bazz he starts at the 2 and if Jefferson comes he could supplant Josh as the backup PF. I'd love to have either. We have lots of talent and some really great kids and if we can get them together and play to our strengths we can have another great season of Duke Basketball.

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    its all about the seniors

    Mason
    Kelly
    Curry
    Dawkins

    Will they be leaders or will they again let the underclassmen lead?

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    I think duke really missed someone this year who could drive to the basket to either score or pass to he shooting guards. We had that with smith and scheyer the last couple of years. Austin can't seem to do that.
    The man to do that next year is cook. I just don't think that Thornton has it in him! I could be wrong...
    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newton_14 View Post
    We have on of those already. (Assuming Mason stays). This team needs forwards not bigs. I thought that became fairly obvious once Kelly went down.

    What's fairly obvious is that for some reason, Coach K. wanted this team to be a 3 point shooting team. He said in a interview I recently watched " it's who we are ".
    I have to ask WHY?? I mean, I have to ask why EXCLUDE inside play to the point that we live and die at the three point line?
    Seriously, I am wondering if Coach K. deep down didn't have faith that our bigs could get it done. There has to be SOME reason why we neglected our bigs ( in most games ) and kept firing up 3 point shots.
    When I am talking about acquiring a BIG I am talking about someone of the caliber of Zeller, Henson, Davis etc.
    I personally would like to see more inside out play, more drives to the basket that draws defenders leaving someone open for a shot, a big that demands a double team, etc.
    I guess what I am saying is we need a dominate big man that will open our game up and draw coverage.
    The right POWER forward could perhaps get this done but he would have to be a special player.

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    okay

    Quote Originally Posted by Des Esseintes View Post
    The subject of Kelly as center has been discussed multiple times on this board.

    The answer is that of course he can do it. He's 6'11". He's had solid shotblocking numbers for much of his career. His rebounding is not where one would like, but some of that comes from guarding fours instead of fives plus Mason and Miles being such accomplished rebounders. If an opposing center had to guard him, it would be huge mismatch on our end of the court. It's possible a year in the post would wear him down physically, but he will be a senior with a man's body next season. K's history is rife with successful Duke teams that had guys at center no burlier or more athletic than Kelly.

    Hopefully, though, Mason comes back.
    But it is a bad idea. Yes he is 6'11. That does not mean he would be nearly as productive at center as he can be at the four. Unless Duke throws all caution to the wind and shoots 40 threes a game with three gaurds, murphy at sf and one big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfrommaiden View Post
    But it is a bad idea. Yes he is 6'11. That does not mean he would be nearly as productive at center as he can be at the four. Unless Duke throws all caution to the wind and shoots 40 threes a game with three gaurds, murphy at sf and one big.
    Why can't he be as productive from the five as the four? A big reason for the usefulness of a stretch four is that it pulls a power forward out to the perimeter where he doesn't like to guard. A center has even less interest/ability to defend outside the lane. That's a mismatch in our favor. There would be some spacing issues for the offense with no one playing inside, but that can be mitigated with motion, just as an example off the top of my head.

    Moreover, it isn't as if Ryan's only offensive game is the jumper from distance. He has a good handle for a big man and is pretty subtle around the basket. I think he would function just fine down low if that is where we needed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfrommaiden View Post
    But it is a bad idea. Yes he is 6'11. That does not mean he would be nearly as productive at center as he can be at the four. Unless Duke throws all caution to the wind and shoots 40 threes a game with three gaurds, murphy at sf and one big.
    On the defensive side of the ball I'm pretty sure that moving Kelly to center would be an improvement. Kelly is not a good defensive 4. He is a liability there because he's not quick enough to guard most fours. At 6-11 if he puts on some muscle he should be fine at center. He won't be Zoubek or Williams or another extremely physical center, but he will pull down rebounds If you put Hairston and Murphy at 3&4 that will help out tremendously with rebounding and we should be fine. Rebouding is rarely about one individual, but about team size and team commitment.

    On the offensive end, I'm not at all worried. Coach K thrives in these kinds of situations. He will make Kelly productive. Frankly I'm looking forward to Kelly improving his midrange game, because I think he can be way more dangerous if he uses his craftiness inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Esseintes View Post
    Why can't he be as productive from the five as the four? A big reason for the usefulness of a stretch four is that it pulls a power forward out to the perimeter where he doesn't like to guard. A center has even less interest/ability to defend outside the lane. That's a mismatch in our favor. There would be some spacing issues for the offense with no one playing inside, but that can be mitigated with motion, just as an example off the top of my head.

    Moreover, it isn't as if Ryan's only offensive game is the jumper from distance. He has a good handle for a big man and is pretty subtle around the basket. I think he would function just fine down low if that is where we needed him.
    Ryan Kelly will get punished down low on offense and defense. You ignore his lack of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loldevilz View Post
    On the defensive side of the ball I'm pretty sure that moving Kelly to center would be an improvement. Kelly is not a good defensive 4. He is a liability there because he's not quick enough to guard most fours. At 6-11 if he puts on some muscle he should be fine at center. He won't be Zoubek or Williams or another extremely physical center, but he will pull down rebounds If you put Hairston and Murphy at 3&4 that will help out tremendously with rebounding and we should be fine. Rebouding is rarely about one individual, but about team size and team commitment.

    On the offensive end, I'm not at all worried. Coach K thrives in these kinds of situations. He will make Kelly productive. Frankly I'm looking forward to Kelly improving his midrange game, because I think he can be way more dangerous if he uses his craftiness inside.
    If Mason and Miles couldn't contain guys like zeller, what makes you think they wouldn't go to town on ryan? He's not strong enough to guard the 5, and probably will never be. Z could get away with it becuase he was giant...and pretty strong...He's plenty fast....I'm not sure there's a more mobile 4 in the conference....
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