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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC09 View Post
    According to JayWill, Mason is going to test the waters. I imagine that he's gone.
    i love JWill, his tweet doesn't tell us anything more substantive the H-S piece from yesterday

  2. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by MattC09 View Post
    According to JayWill, Mason is going to test the waters. I imagine that he's gone.
    Sounds that way. And I also agree with those that interpret Austin's tweets as him going pro as opposed to staying. If both guys are gone, next year looks to be much more of a rebuilding process than I had hoped for. Only snagging Bazz would change that at this point.
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  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by dyedwab View Post
    i love JWill, his tweet doesn't tell us anything more substantive the H-S piece from yesterday
    I think the difference is that the articles yesterday were more along the lines of "Mason is gathering his information to see if he should declare for the draft" versus "Mason is declaring for the draft but hasn't hired an agent yet." It's not much different, but he's in the draft. Nolan and Kyle both did their research after 2010 without entering.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by dyedwab View Post
    i love JWill, his tweet doesn't tell us anything more substantive the H-S piece from yesterday
    True, but both (if true) would seem to suggest that he's probably going. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone test the waters and then return. Coach K has pretty good NBA ties and provides it to the players. So when a Duke player decides to "test the waters" that usually means they're going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattC09 View Post
    I think the difference is that the articles yesterday were more along the lines of "Mason is gathering his information to see if he should declare for the draft" versus "Mason is declaring for the draft but hasn't hired an agent yet." It's not much different, but he's in the draft. Nolan and Kyle both did their research after 2010 without entering.
    Do we have anything other than Jay Williams's tweet that says "Mason is declaring for the draft but hasn't hired an agent"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    True, but both (if true) would seem to suggest that he's probably going.
    My reading of that article was that he's in the information gathering stage, similar to what Nolan and Kyle did in 2010. I agree that if he decides to declare he's probably gone whether he immediately hires an agent or not.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Do we have anything other than Jay Williams's tweet that says "Mason is declaring for the draft but hasn't hired an agent"?
    Do we need anything more than that? I trust JayWill 100% and seriously doubt he'd tweet something like that unless he was positive about his info.
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  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Sounds that way. And I also agree with those that interpret Austin's tweets as him going pro as opposed to staying. If both guys are gone, next year looks to be much more of a rebuilding process than I had hoped for. Only snagging Bazz would change that at this point.
    Unless we're able to add a couple of McDonald's All-Americans and/or some of the current players really step up.

    Certainly if we see the same performances as this year minus Mason and Rivers, it'll be a rebuilding year (though still a sure-fire tournament team, of course). But I'd expect big jumps from guys like Gbinije, Cook, Murphy, and Marshall, and continued improvements from the veterans. And I'd hope for Sulaimon to be an impact player as his top-15 recruit status would suggest.

    And maybe we'll get lucky in landing 1 or 2 of the recruits we're in the market for at this point.

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    Clearly I'm missing something

    ...but I haven't seen the "Mason Plumlee is entering his name in the draft but not hiring an agent" tweet/article/ etc.

    Link to that anyone?

    I'm not arguing that that's not eventually what will be happening. But "testing the waters" is both a general comment on what a player is doing (gathering info, etc) and a very specific set of facts re: a player (declares for the draft w/o an agent). I'm not sure which one it is right now.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Do we have anything other than Jay Williams's tweet that says "Mason is declaring for the draft but hasn't hired an agent"?
    Do you think that Williams would tweet something like that if it weren't accurate? He's got pretty decent ties to Duke, after all. Given his desire to be objective and professional in the business, you think he'd want to be really careful not to say something inaccurate about his own school.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by dyedwab View Post
    ...but I haven't seen the "Mason Plumlee is entering his name in the draft but not hiring an agent" tweet/article/ etc.

    Link to that anyone?

    I'm not arguing that that's not eventually what will be happening. But "testing the waters" is both a general comment on what a player is doing (gathering info, etc) and a very specific set of facts re: a player (declares for the draft w/o an agent). I'm not sure which one it is right now.
    You are correct in that we haven't seen more than "testing the waters." The speculation is based on the concept that Duke players don't really test the waters. They either declare and stay in the draft or they don't declare at all. Guys who have tested the waters in the past have always gone (Dunleavy, Deng, Henderson), and guys who weren't going to go didn't test the waters. To clarify: testing the waters typically means declaring and getting feedback directly from teams (which you can't do without declaring).

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    Might not Mason's decision depend on what Austin does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Do you think that Williams would tweet something like that if it weren't accurate? He's got pretty decent ties to Duke, after all. Given his desire to be objective and professional in the business, you think he'd want to be really careful not to say something inaccurate about his own school.
    I agree Williams wouldn't intentionally do something that would jeopardize his credibility in his field. On the other hand, it's a tweet.

  14. #214

    Sure fire Tournament Team?

    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    Unless we're able to add a couple of McDonald's All-Americans and/or some of the current players really step up.

    Certainly if we see the same performances as this year minus Mason and Rivers, it'll be a rebuilding year (though still a sure-fire tournament team, of course). But I'd expect big jumps from guys like Gbinije, Cook, Murphy, and Marshall, and continued improvements from the veterans. And I'd hope for Sulaimon to be an impact player as his top-15 recruit status would suggest.

    And maybe we'll get lucky in landing 1 or 2 of the recruits we're in the market for at this point.
    With Kelly, an untried Marshall and Josh as our bigs, Dawkins, Michael and Alex potential small forwards and Quinn, Tyler, Seth and Sulaimon at the guard positions, why do you think that consitutes a sure fire tournament team?

    There are a number of ACC teams that gave us issues last year and I see the team as currently constituted, with Austin and Mason both gone, as weaker than last years team. Others getting stronger while we rebuild, that certainly raises the question of us getting into the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    True, but both (if true) would seem to suggest that he's probably going. To my knowledge we haven't had anyone test the waters and then return. Coach K has pretty good NBA ties and provides it to the players. So when a Duke player decides to "test the waters" that usually means they're going.
    It's never happened before that someone tested the waters and came back, but that doesn't mean it won't ever happen. Before Brand, Maggette, and Avery left nobody had ever left early from Duke, so fans assumed they would stay. I agree that it's likely Mason and Austin will remain in the draft, especially with the shortened window to withdraw, but I'll still hold out a glimmer of hope until the deadline passes or they hire agents.

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    Missing my point

    Quote Originally Posted by CDu View Post
    You are correct in that we haven't seen more than "testing the waters." The speculation is based on the concept that Duke players don't really test the waters. They either declare and stay in the draft or they don't declare at all. Guys who have tested the waters in the past have always gone (Dunleavy, Deng, Henderson), and guys who weren't going to go didn't test the waters. To clarify: testing the waters typically means declaring and getting feedback directly from teams (which you can't do without declaring).
    If what Jason Williams is reporting is consistent with the article in the H-S, then it is EXACTLY what Kyle Singler did after the National Championship. I'm being pedantic, but there are no reports that Mason has entered his name in the draft and not hired an agent (that is not was Jason Williams tweeted).

    My point is that until I see it confirmed by another source, JWill's tweet appears to me to refer to "testing the waters" as the generic term for seeking information about his stock in the NBA, not the specific "Testing the waters" period."

    At Duke, the point of no return for entering the draft has been putting your name in, not hiring an agent. All i'm saying is that that has not yet been reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga2 View Post
    With Kelly, an untried Marshall and Josh as our bigs, Dawkins, Michael and Alex potential small forwards and Quinn, Tyler, Seth and Sulaimon at the guard positions, why do you think that consitutes a sure fire tournament team?

    There are a number of ACC teams that gave us issues last year and I see the team as currently constituted, with Austin and Mason both gone, as weaker than last years team. Others getting stronger while we rebuild, that certainly raises the question of us getting into the tournament.
    The team you're describing has seven guys who were top 30 recruits plus a 3rd team all-conference player and a 7-footer. Including three seniors and two juniors. They may struggle at times and they may not get a #1 or #2 seed, but that's a sure fire tournament team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyedwab View Post
    If what Jason Williams is reporting is consistent with the article in the H-S, then it is EXACTLY what Kyle Singler did after the National Championship. I'm being pedantic, but Mason there are no reports that Mason has entered his name in the draft and not hired an agent (that is not was Jason Williams tweeted).

    My point is that what until I see it confirmed by another source, JWill's tweet appears to me to refer to "testing the waters" as the generic term for seeking information about his stock in the NBA, not the specific "Testing the waters" period."

    At Duke, the point of no return for entering the draft has been putting your name in, not hiring an agent. All i'm saying is that that has not yet been reported.
    Well, except for the part that he called it "breaking news." The H-S article came out yesterday, so merely repeating what was reported in that article wouldn't be breaking news in any meaningful way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga2 View Post
    With Kelly, an untried Marshall and Josh as our bigs, Dawkins, Michael and Alex potential small forwards and Quinn, Tyler, Seth and Sulaimon at the guard positions, why do you think that consitutes a sure fire tournament team?

    There are a number of ACC teams that gave us issues last year and I see the team as currently constituted, with Austin and Mason both gone, as weaker than last years team. Others getting stronger while we rebuild, that certainly raises the question of us getting into the tournament.
    I agree that on paper we are weaker next year without Austin and Mason. But I am not sure it is much weaker. Sulaimon is going to be very good. Other players step into bigger roles. Hopefully Murphy and Gbinije give us more flexibility at 3/4. Post presence will be a big issue. We aren't going to be one of the top 10-15 teams most likely to win it all but we will be a sure-fire tourney team

    Additionally, if Barnes and Henson leave with Zeller (and possibly Marshall) UNC is rebuilding too. FSU is rebuilding too (MUCH more so than we will be). NCST (if Leslie stays) could be the favorite to win the ACC.
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  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    The team you're describing has seven guys who were top 30 recruits plus a 3rd team all-conference player and a 7-footer. Including three seniors and two juniors. They may struggle at times and they may not get a #1 or #2 seed, but that's a sure fire tournament team.
    My sentiments exactly. I have no doubt at all that we will make the tournament next year regardless of the presence or absence of Mason and Rivers.

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