I will take his father and brother at their word over anyone else on the planet for now.
"[T]he tarnished Tar Heels that bear little resemblance to the revered program built by Dean Smith."- Ashville Times
"UNC and the NCAA are trying to conceal that the fraud was specifically designed to pad the transcripts of varsity athletes" - Bloomberg
I am taking the other approach - assuming he's gone and letting myself be pleasantly surprised if he comes back instead of disappointed if I thought he had a chance of staying.
he's turning pro..........move on.......next play..........
Doc said things like (paraphrased) "the decision hasn't been made yet" "he is leaning a certain way, but I'm not going to say anything" "ultimately myself, coach K,etc will all be there to help him make a decision"
But I definitely got the impression that Austin was leaning toward going. Maybe I was reading my own feelings into it. I will miss him if he does decide to go, because I loved his passion on the court. Despite his weaknesses as a player still he had a penchant for hitting big shots and big threes during games.
Anyone catch Gottleib on ESPN? I pretty much ignore him because I think he is a (self-censored) but he came out very harshly on Rivers saying he is going pro, and he is a difficult kid and caused chemistry problems and Duke would not overly concerned with him leaving...
...maybe he has some inside sources but I didn't really see that at all....at least not on the court.
Also please note that the video interview aired during the BOS-PHI game is not the same interview where does is standing in from of the Celtics logo -- trying to find video of it online.
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I haven't read this entire thread but here is my take on Rivers, and others may have mentioned this. I think he puts his name in but doesn't sign with an agent. Gives him more tome to weigh his options. His dad should have an excellent pulse on what the league is saying about his game. I also think his situation is different from Kyrie Irving's where it was a lock he would be one of the top two.
We already know Davis from UK will be #1 overall. Then you have to look at how many of the other UK players declare. Kidd-Gilcrest has already said he's coming out. You compare the bodies of the UK guys to Rivers and it's apples to oranges. Someone mentioned he needed ten pounds and I don't disagree.
Then you throw in guys like Tu Hollaway who are seniors into the mix. I think its 50/50
The dream scenario would be this: both Austin and Mason stick around and everyone figures out how to be on the same page in order to be a better team and win some games. The players themselves admit they didn't communicate enough on offense. It would be great if both Austin and Mason decided that this would be a point worth addressing before moving on to the next level.
I think there is enough smoke for a fire here. Austin is going to the NBA in all probablility. I don't keep up with the NBA like I use to but I predict Austin will succeed in short order. He's got JJ's work ethic with a lot more physical ability. He may not be a starter as a rookie but I'll wager that he is much better at the end of the year than at the beginning and he'll continue to get better. He'll be cocky and rub some people the wrong way but before it's over he'll play in more than a couple All-Star games.
It started when Austin was still in high school, but you'll recall that there was this big innuendo piece about the Blue-White Game, where he and Seth allegedly got into this big punk-off, and Austin's ego was just too big for the team, and this projected narrative continues to this day -- over at IC Austin is the biggest me-firster ever and one of the most loathed Duke players in history. They wouldn't even have him on their team, they say, because that's not UNC! Comedic relief aside, here comes the 5:15 right on schedule, bitter mouthpiece Gottlieb arrives to reinforce the narrative, and, shockingly, said narrative happens to cast Duke and/or its players in an alarmingly unflattering light.
Whom are you going to believe? This narrative or your own lying eyes? Austin happens to be a slasher and a scorer -- the type of player upon whom it is really easy to superimpose a persona of selfishness. I kept thinking during the season when people were complaining about Austin's jacking up long-range threes or attempting awkward drives to the basket -- if this were not within the proper function of this team, don't you think there is someone on the bench who would address that? That was what he was supposed to be doing. Of course, if you want to reinforce the Austin-as-selfish meme, you suggest that these shots were all outside the Coach's plan and only taken out of selfishness.
None of that makes any sense.
jkidd31 wrote about him not signing with an agent. I seem to recall someone pointing out that the rules for the draft, particularly returning to college if you aren't picked or picked high, do not hinge on hiring an agent or not. You have to declare one way or another, agent or not. I could be mistaken, though.
I'm not sure that ever happened - and even though AR became our go-to guy due to his uncompromising effort and intensity, I'm not sure he became a vocal leader either. Having a backcourt by committee made leadership at the guard spot a little tough, but you know, we had a couple experienced Plumlees down low, and there was almost always at least one of them in the game. Maybe they did try to lead but others didn't follow. Who knows. But I do seem to recall our coaches expressing that desire - that someone step up and lead.
Don't know if this is true or not, but I heard it mentioned on the David Glenn show yesterday, It seems that the NCAA has one withdrawal date and the pros have another. The point was, what was to stop a player from pulling his name out early to comply with the NCAA rules, but he continues to investigate his options and prior to the NBA date goes back in?
Funny how duke supporters can disagree about Rivers,,,,I too watched every game and saw it pretty much opposite of what you and other rivers supporters saw. In my opinion he rarely played the top of the key pick and roll properly....he simply drove to the basket never looking for the big man or the wing man who were open many times....he just drove the lane making 50 % of his layups with his right hand regardless of the side of the basket he was on...the other 50% of the time he was fouled where he hit about 65% of his foul shots or was blocked or turned the ball over. Fundamentally he has a lot to learn, IMO if he wants a steady starting job in the nba.
He is not in the same space as Kyrie who could do all of the above significantly better and was ready for the nba. He would have been better off staying at Duke under the guidance of coach K learning the "fist" concept and all that it entails, IMO.
Probably already been listed, but if this is true, there is no more concern one way or another. I have to say that I would be shocked if this discussion were going on in the Rivers household. I wish Austin luck in learning to fit within an offense in the pros and getting his body ready for the pros. That will define whether he can make it at the next level.
It's a recruiting thing so coaches can get a last minute recruit if they lose a guy. It's also why guys dont sign and LOI and wait to see where they can get PT. Patrick Patterson and Jimmy Wall did, and I'm guessing Amile and Shabazz and TP are all doing this.