Just in case Andre redshirts and Parker chooses, say, Georgia [another no-evidence guess], Amile becomes Duke's 10th player. But I'm guessing he might not be 10th in terms of mpg, simply because he can play some 3, behind Alex.
Now, there have been innumerable posts re whether he "is" a 3 or 4. I think he "is" a 4, ultimately, and even this year, had Mason departed. But Mason stayed. Then there's the argument re whether he's a 3 [body] playing 4 [position], or a 4 [length, instincts] playing 4.
In the no-Andre-no-Tony scenario, perhaps we could think of Amile as a 4 playing some 3. Then we could argue about whether Amile is capable of helping some as a slightly-out-of-position-3. My yes answer - 7-10 mpg in 2012-'13 - derives from his play in that single game I saw. What I saw was a guy who defended the 4/5, and who played as an "interior" player, but with a "wing" aspect on O. That is, while Amile seemed always to want to get toward the rim, he started his O-moves pretty frequently out on the wing, using his dribble and good footwork to get to the lane or baseline.
So in my scenario - 7-10 mpg as Alex's backup - he'd hardly be the O-focus, but is capable of scoring a basket every now and then, and passing into the post [with those long arms of his]. Perfectly acceptable, I'll guess. Further, he's hardly a klutz on D. His footwork's good, so I'm yet unwilling to concede that he "cannot" guard a 6'5-8" player out on the wing.
I am not saying Amile is an "ideal" 3. He isn't an ideal anything, just yet. I am, however, biased in his favor, as I was somewhat taken with the smarts, and sneakiness, of his game. Does my bias undercut the actual substance of the argument I have made? Maybe we should take a secret ballot. So as not to hurt my feelings.
Duke 77 -- Louisiana State 67
I'll try to bring it back...Amile Jefferson may turn out to be a versatile college player, let's hope he's half as versatile as Grant Hill.
I have one minor quibble with your logic, though. I've never heard that long arms make someone a good passer. Also, to the extent Amile passes, I expect it will be mostly kick-outs for threes. If Amile is playing SF with Ryan and Mason, it would seem to make sense to mostly play a three-out, two-in offense, with Amile attempting to post up and when the opponent packs it in to stop him and Mason, kicking out to Ryan, Seth, or Rasheed.
It does seem reasonable, we [and perhaps others?] agree, that Amile could play some as Alex's backup. We also seem to be inching toward the view that "play" here means play the 3 on D, and then on O move inside, some. If Amile were on the floor for a 3-minute stretch with Mason and Ryan, it does seem logical that on O Ryan would screen and then drift out to the corner or perimeter, ready to 3-bomb, whereas Amile would become a baseline attacker, kick-out passer, and O-rebounder.
Amile, you're out there, right? How come you haven't already come aboard? You're gonna help win us some games, probably a NC, as a frosh. Then it's 2-peat, 3-peat for you, Alex, Rasheed, Marshall, Quinn, the whole gang.
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I think that speed in T&F is not the best comparison, because T&F is a non-contact sport. Even when they jump, they land on their backs on a padded mat. In basketball, you land on hard wood on your feet. A sport like basketball/football takes its toll on your body sooner.
The whole thing that started this discussion was that I said that an 18/19 yo has not yet really had the effects of all of the bumping, landing, etc. break down their bodies. So, in a contact sport I would bet that your body starts to feel the effects sooner (5 years?) than a non-contact sport.
So uh... will we get this thread to 60 pages now?
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Come on down Amile Jefferson!
I have nothing to add.
Does anybody know if Amile has a date he's planning to decide by?
Josh could trim down and be a backup SF defender while Amile could bulk up to be a PF backup.
Josh having been in the Duke system a couple years might be better able to handle switching on the perimeter if he could get back some of his lateral quickness that he displayed playing a lot at top of the key in HS as I recall.
Assuming Dre at least still practices while on sabbatical, that would give Alex someone to practice against sometimes who has at least played some ACC SF, while at other times the PF trying to resemble a SF (Josh or Amile) takes on Alex.
Same if it's Rodney instead. Since he is ineleigble, he could be that fourth big in practice while Josh who is eligible gets some time as a backup SF, and Dre gives the four guards some variety to practice against sometimes.
Without another eligible big though, not gonna work since Josh has to stay bulked up @ 235 to be PF and cannot simultaneously be quick enough to guard a SF.
It would only be a guess whether at this point Josh or MP3 is Duke's first big off the bench, since no one has seen how much MP3 has improved since last year's Blue-White game, except the players and coaches of course.
If it's Josh though, may not be able to afford having him slim down enough to gain mobility as a Backup SF. Some trimming down to be a quicker backup PF may be in order, but there's a limit.
Then Duke is back to Tyler or Rasheed, unless Amile or someone else who is eligibile joins the team.
I wasn't crazy about our 3-guard lineup this year, but as a 5-15 mpg stopgap, it wouldn't be the end of the world.