The same goes for Alex. Wasn't he recruited as a SF? I guess I could see him playing the stretch 4, but it seems to me kids prefer to play and are better at the position they are recruited for. Hopefully Alex welcomes the challenge of playing the 4 and excels at it until he can return to his more natural position (ala kyle).
Im not saying Duke should use a scholly on a kid who in a normal year wouldnt see the court. I just think that if Duke cant get more than 10 minutes out of Marshall at the 5, we're in trouble. Similarly, I hope Josh is ready to play substantial minutes at the 4 and possibly start, because we're going to need him I think.
Ryan could play 5, on defense. On offense, he would create severe matchup problems for the other team.
Back to the topic of recruiting: I doubt Duke goes after anyone else if Jefferson and Parker don't decide to play for the greatest coach still coaching.
At the 4, Coach K has said he expects Alex to be a 4 year starter. I'll take that. With Josh plugging in at the 4-5 for 17-20 minutes, I think we'll have a good rotation. I think we will create a lot of matchup problems for other teams with Ryan and Alex, but rebounding is the concern.
As for the remaining big guys who are uncommitted in the Class of 2012, here's the list -
Who on these two lists should we pursue outside of Parker and Jefferson?
If Duke ends up with only one remaining scholarship to offer either Shabazz or Amile, how does that work? Does it depend who commits first? Or, is the a priority assigned to scholarships?
You wind up with only one scholarship and you can get two of 2012's top players what would you do? I bet that Calipari/ol Roy would suddenly have transfers like ld2, and the wearing thin twins? Don't forget that it's a BIG business with millions at stake. We probably have too much integrity for the "transfer" approach, though. Funny how they became two of the top teams in the country.
Secondly, as has been discussed on these boards ad nauseum, there's more than one way to skin this "limited scholarships" cat: (1) More players than just MP1 could leave (for the pros, such as MP2 or AR); (2) Someone might transfer; (3) Someone else might give up their scholarship in order to accomodate the extra recruit (this has been done before at Duke in the generous personage of one Lee Melchioni, who gave up the first year of his scholarship so Duke could bring an extra recruit); (4) Would never happen at Duke, though Calimari did it - a staff can rescind scholarships to existing player(s). (They have to be renewed by the school annually.)
To the other questioners, at this very late date it would be unusual in the extreme for Duke to get involved with another big-man recruit. I just don't see it happening. Either we land AJ to hopefully help along the frontline OR we just make due. That said, I am one of those whose recently come arouind to the view that MP2 may actually be staying another year... Fingers crossed big-time!!
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Even if Mason and Austin leave early and we don't get any more recruits for next year, there will be at least two really good players who don't play much, at least in competitive games. There is no need to bring in another body, especially one who would clog up a scholarship for four years.
6'9'' - 200lbs. Ranked #140 by Rivals. Not ranked in the RSCI or by Scout and Espn from what I saw.
He has played 113 minutes so far this year and scored a total of 17 points ad grabbed 36 rebounds.
Is that worth throwing a late scholarship out there? I say no.
Parker is the only option at the 5 that we could potentially get this year. Otherwise it's Ryan and Marshall at the 5, whether we agree or not.
If Amile comes, does that not likely mean even more minutes at the 5 for Ryan since the 4 would be more crowded?
With Sulaimon, I have high hopes for him based on what I've heard about his game. But I was just pointing out the perceived lack of a go-to man on next year's team if Rivers goes and Muhammad doesn't come, and I wouldn't assume Sulaimon is going to rectify that, at least not right away. Even a player who ended up as good as Nolan Smith didn't begin to pay dividends until his junior year. And though J.J. Redick was an immediate contributor, he wasn't The Man until his junior year. It takes a truly elite player to be that sort of difference-maker immediately; Kyrie and Austin qualified, and having seen him in person, I can safely say Muhammad does as well. It'd be an amazing upset if Sulaimon was THAT sort of player right away.
what happened last night will not help recruiting........you can carry that to the bank...........
FWIW, Jason Jordon, recruiting analyst for ESPN who seems to be very close to a number of recruits (TP, Randle, Sulimon etc), tweeted something along the lines of:
"a recruit just texted me this: 'Duke lost? thats not a good look to me J'. (to which Jason added something along the lines of) 'this stuff matters to recruits'"
no point really in speculating who texted him that, coulda been anyone, but I think i have a pretty good idea of who....
either way, i think its important to note that stuff like that does matter to recruits. I know theyre only 17-18 years old and therefore dont make the most rational decisions always, but i can see a recruit thinking "why would i want to waste my talents at a school that loses to lehigh in the first round". conversely there are probably some recruits who look at it as "wow, that team could really use me, I could shine there!"
A true top notch player would relish the opportunity to take a team from the lowest of the low, to a championship. Shabazz now has the opportunity to be a legend at Duke rather than just another top one and done guy.
If Austin and Mason come back, then Bazz coming to Duke would (1) fill a hole in the starting five and (2) get to play with other great players and (3) have the highest chance at competing for a national championship. With Austin, Mason and Bazz and Coach K obviously Duke would be a favorite to go all the way.
I think Quinn and MP3 will end up being a great true 1-true 5 combination, and with both of them more experienced and Quinn's knee hopefully at full strength next year, we could be loaded for bear.
I think if Austin and Mason both leave, then Duke may be less attractive for a guy like Bazz.
Folks, you were warned, so don't be shocked when you wake up tomorrow with an infraction pm. If your post is not about 2012 recruiting, it will be deleted, every single time. Want to discuss next year's team, or Ryan at the 5, or Murph at the 4, or Austin's presser, start your own thread. This one is for 2012 recruiting.
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At this point, do we even really want Parker? Of course having a load in the middle would be nice to have, but the way he seems to carry himself and treat this process as if its some kind of Tony Parker sweepstakes doesn't exactly endear me to the kid. I wonder how the coaches feel about it. Clearly they actually know him and presumably know him well since we've been recruiting him hard and for a long time, but they can't exactly be thrilled about the way he talks about Duke publicly.
I'd still be thrilled to have him to add to the depth of next year's front line, especially if we can get a 2 in 2 out situation like we did in 2010 with Mason and Ryan Starting then trade in MP3 and Tony after a few minutes with Tony to operate in the post and Marshall to do the screening and trying to grab boards.
I really think that with Jefferson, Shabazz, and Parker, they're all going to wait to see who leaves and who stays because they all want to play immediately. Shabazz less so, cause he's going to start, but if Austin's there (known ball stopper) he may be less willing to come, but I sense that Jefferson either wants to fill the gap Calvin Leslie leaves at state or the one Mason leaves (different style) at Duke, and Parker wants Duke to change everything about the program to appease him, but he really doesn't want to have to sit behind Kelly Mason and battle for time with the likes of Marshall and Hairston.
Shabazz fills our needs the most I think and will do so immediately, seeing as we have no proven player at the actual 3 spot, despite how hopeful we are for Murph/Silent G to be players. Again, if Bazz comes, he's starting.
Nerlens is reportedly down to Syracuse, KY, and Georgetown. He had been considering UNC. Thankfully we won't have to face him twice during our Tobacco Road matchups.