If UNC wins out, why wouldn't 'old Roy be in the COY mix as much as coach K?
Roy's lost two starting players to injury and still might win the league outright. That's pretty impressive coaching.
Best I can tell is he inserted another McDonald's All American into the line up.
Not exactly awe inspiring COY stuff.
Not sure anyone outside of CH would think that Roy has done amazing things with a team of 4 first round NBA picks.
In fact most UNC fans I talk to are not very hopeful of a deep run in the NCAAT and think the team has underachieved.
I am not writing them off by any means but to think that what Roy has done this year is worthy of COY honors is a bit of a stretch IMO.
I don't think that K or Roy will win it... not sure who will at this point, still a lot of important games to be played.....
Hard for the coach of the ACC-preseason-favorite to win the Coach of the Year, as we've seen so many times with K. It is just a matter of expectations being already too high, rightly or wrongly.
Last year K lost the best player on the team, around whom the strategy was all built, in early December, and still won the ACC... but no award - so losing a couple bench players doesn't sound like much of a comparative argument. I like Bennett, but UVA's late-season mini-slide could hamper that. I think K is a good candidate this year. NC State hasn't disappointed relative to preseason expectations either.
But in Roy's defense, he did at least manage to keep the FSU margin under 35....
There is no way, IMHO, that Roy will be COY, unless underachieving is the most important factor. Let's be serious, UNC was supposed to have the a "great" team as Jay Bilas repeated ad nauseam during the off-season and pre-season. A team with 4 first-rounders, and two stud McD's coming in... the table was set for a 2009-type of team. However, this team is currently 3rd in ACC... far from "great"
That being said, I do think that Coach K deserves a bit more consideration. Duke was picked 2nd mostly because no one believed that FSU would actually take the next step and become a serious threat in the ACC. I think most people preseason would've expected Duke to have at least 12-4 or even 11-5 in the ACC, but that it might be good enough to capture second place. That Duke is ahead of an FSU squad with only three ACC losses is quite the accomplishment considering all the talent that left Durham after last season. Consider what happened at UNC in 2009-2010 after the Heels lost a ton of talent but were also bringing back talented players like Zeller, Ed Davis, and Drew, II in addition to a frosh class that included the highly touted Henson. Or consider what happened to Duke in 2007 after Redick and Williams departed. What Coach K has done this season should not be taken for granted as even he has not always been able to reload so incredibly effectively.
ooops. My mistake. UNC is second not third...Still not great considering their supposed world-beater status.
Nevermind, can't get the link to work.
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I've been thinking about the Coach of the Year recently, more in the national sense. I find myself unenthusiastic for John Calipari and Jim Boeheim -- for very different reasons -- and I think I see some of that lack of enthusiasm in this ACC-centered thread. (Even the pro-K crowd is cool and nonchalant about it.)
If the politics of COY is a function of breaking through nationally and/or exceeding expectations and/or having the best season, then there are a few viable candidates, like Buzz Williams at Marquette. But there's not really any slam-dunk choice. If Coach K is a victim of his own success, then maybe it couldn't hurt to root for K-adjacent head coaches like Mike Brey or Tommy Amaker.
Personally, I would vote for one of the two coaches that had the best offseason: Frank Haith of Missouri and Ed DeChellis of Navy, who had the luck/foresight/inside knowledge to leave a pair of sinking ship programs at Miami and Penn State. (The fact that Missouri is a top 5 team tends to make Haith the better choice. I have no idea how Navy is doing this season, and it kind of doesn't matter.)
Roy Williams won last year right?
Coach K won '99, so "winning with a pre-season overwhelming favorite" isn't necessarily an automatic disqualification. He didn't win in '01 though -- and I thought that was masterful season.
Brian Zoubek on what was going through his mind walking to the free throw line with 3.6 seconds remaining in the 2010 National Championship game and Duke up by 1: "Fifty percent [of me is] thinking, This is what I've been dreaming of doing my entire life. Fifty percent I'm crapping my pants."