Any discipline by the ACC toward Hess should, in my opinion, be made public. Even though Corch and Googs probably didnt pay for their seats, how would you have felt if
you had been the one thrown out after paying good money for a ticket.
I don't exactly remember what the seat license says on the back of the ticket, but it probably does not give the event holder carte blanche to throw a person out, and in this case
it wasn't the event holder but the ref. Probably Corch and Googs will not pursue it, but if it was me and I had paid good money for a ticket, Hess, Clougherty, Swofford, and others would
be raising their right hand in a public forum explaining themselves.
Wouldnt the resutling media circus be fun!
Rather, innocent, non-profane criticism from folks who know the game and played the game at a very high level probably burns Hess's ears more than a blistering, profane criticism from Joe Fan.
espn certainly made their apology public regarding the tasteless Jeremy Lin headline...
"Either we're going down, or they are....... Kirk out!"
Al Featherston offers his perspective on the Wolfpack Dilemma:
Here's a couple of snippets:
Wow it was a bad week to be an N.C. State fan.The ACCs initial response criticizing Hess only for not following proper protocol is ludicrously inadequate. Unless there is more evidence that we have not seen, he should be suspended for his bad judgment if not retired.
United States Navy (Retired)
I have been saying for years that Hess is horrible. The fact that you can say his name and all ACC basketball fans knows him is the problem. We have a running joke in my house that for any game he is officiating how long it takes before he gets his name mentioned or has a video review.....usually takes less than 6-7 mins of game time.
But right now, after seeing him called "Rabbit Ears" by Corchiani and Googs......the only mental image I have is an arena full of students/fans wearing those headbands with rabbit ears on them.....hahahahahahahaa FYI....they are currently on sale in the $1 bins at your local Target store.......perfect timing with Easter approaching.
That would be a classic sight.
no ACC fan wants to see Hess officiating their game, because they know he will affect the game some how. might be in their favor, but equal chance it will not.
gots to go!!
Reminds me of the line from a few good men, "It's not what I believe, but what I can prove." The league may have every reason to believe that Hess was out of line in tossing the guys, but they can't prove it. And reprimanding an employee/contractor for something you can't prove happened is just singing out for a lawsuit.
things to do this weekend:
1) watch duke
2) chip in to iron dukes for the average cost of one cleaning bill for "gatorade stain removal"
FWIW - The NC State Athletics Department on Sunday morning reached out to members of the 1989 ACC Regular Season Championship team (which includes Googs and Corch) and asked them if they could make to the UNC game to be accept the inaugural "Wolfpack Unlimited" award for refusing to accept the status quo.
Googs and Corch are both members of that team.
Say what you want, at least Debbie Yow understands there are limits to what she can say on the record but that there are also lots of other ways to express our feelings. No word on whether or not Karl Hess was invited.
Last edited by hurleyfor3; 02-20-2012 at 12:44 PM. Reason: corrected accomplishment of 1989 ncsu season
It should be the refs' job to *not* be noticed. I think that's how you can say that a ref is good or not. It seems in this day that we have too many refs that want to be part of the action. And people now almost expect it-which shouldn't happen. I'm not sure how often refs get in-season reviews-if it's after every game or every few games or whatever, but I think the powers that be need to do a better job reminding referees that their job is to call the game as the rules dictate.
NCSU did not win the "1989 ACC Championship". That honor went to unc. Unfortunate, but true. I'm slightly embarassed the front page makes this mistake.
The Pack did win the 1989 ACC regular-season championship, however. Or, if you wish, they finished first during the regular season. But they were not ACC champions that year.
You must spread some comments around before flaming the Moderators again.
My thinking is that the ref is there to enforce the rules of the game, not to police the fans. That should be the job of the arena staff. Hess probably has set himself up for far worse badgering by fans now because now the fans know that:
a; he hears them and
b; they can get into his head....
He would have been much better off to have ignored Tom and Chris or at least quitely asked that a stadium official go and warn them to calm down. Hess is going to be hearing a lot more heckling now than he would have IMO. Just another example of a poor judgement call on his part.
In any case, Googs is, in fact, "excessively" tall, so Hess has ironclad logic on his side.
Here's a direct quote from Adam Gold's blog: "First, it should be known that Karl Hess is one of the best, if not the best, officials in the Atlantic Coast Conference -- if not all of college basketball."
Yeah, I know - it IS Adam Gold, after all.