Take this for what it's worth, but a fan who claimed to be sitting two rows behind Gugliotta and Corchiani reported at Pack Pride:
I know there is already multiple threads talking about this, but I didn't want the actual facts to get lost in them.
I was sitting two rows behind Chris & Tom. If you watch the video I am in the second row of SWPC members. I heard everything, including when another ref called out a student near me for saying "Quit looking at the dance team." The cop came over and just laughed at the comment and said, you are fine you can stay.
Chris and Tom were harmlessly complaining about the ref. No profanity. They had two very young daughters with them and I doubt they would ever cuss with them there. I never saw anything other than just average complaining.
Karl walked over and pointed at them and said, "Get them out of here." He then found a cop and said, "I want you to get them out of here. Those two right there."
If you listen closely to the video you can hear him say the 'those two' comment.
And that was pretty much that. I was right there. I saw it first-hand thats exactly what happened almost word for word.
I was in shock. Someone next to me asked, "why are you so upset? who are those guys?" I responded by pointing to the rafters at their two jerseys. Debbie Yow needs to seriously do something about this.
And from another post:
From a friend's twitter who was sitting on the front row:
"The guys in front of me got kicked out of the game for saying "that's a bad call ref". How can you get kicked out for that. "
"The dudes little daughters had to sit by themselves the rest of the game."
Again, these are message board posts ... don't take them as gospel. Still, it will be interesting to see the feedback on this.
I can't think of a better way for the ACC to fan State's paranoia than to have Karl Hess throw these guys out of the arena. Tuesday night should be very interesting. What is the over/under on a riot when Kerlina gets all the calls?
And does Debbie Yow have a conversation with John Clougherty and John Swofford?
I find it extremely difficult to believe that nothing was said to Hess. I know that we said some pretty ridiculous stuff to him in particular, which I know he heard, because you'd get that look from him, and he never booted any of us. I'm gonna go out on alimb and guess that someone in the vicinity was dropping f bombs. Wether or not it was Googs an Corchinni, that may be up for debate.
Here is some video:
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Amazing footage, Bob! There's gotta be some fallout from that move.
Googs and Corchiani are 2 of my top 10 favorite State Players. I can't believe Hess would pull that, especially at State.
From the looks of it, I bet both those guys would've wanted to punch him in the face.
Whether or not it was justified, I think Hess will have some explaining to do.
It is amazing to me how the ACC has two of the worst refs I have ever seen, Karl Hess and Jamie Luckie
This compares the two: http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/co...=blowout#chart
They both average about 35 fouls called a game, but interesting enough they do not seem to favor the home or away team when it comes to foul difference.
Something else that is interesting, in close games Hess calls a lot more fouls than he does in blowouts. As compared to Luckie who calls about 35 no matter what the score.
When decorating your Christmas tree, he tangles up all the hooks
He'll sneak in to the library and scribble in all the books
He spoils the milk
He stops all the clocks
He uses his whistle to poke holes in your socks
State A.D. Debbie Yow is irate, and demands an explanation from the ACC office.
“Throughout this afternoon and evening, I have been seeking clarification from the ACC office regarding the reason for the ejection of two fans today during our men’s basketball game against Florida State,” Yow said in a tersely worded statement. “I have spoken to commissioner John Swofford and Karl Hicks, associate commissioner for Basketball Operations, regarding our concerns and our need for clarification as to why this occurred. We expect fair treatment of our fans at State athletic events.
“Although ACC rules prohibit coaches, players and administrators from publicly taking exception to officiating, the ACC Office has agreed to issue a statement regarding the ejections and the circumstances surrounding them later tonight. We will not have further comment regarding this situation until we have had a chance to review the statement issued by the league.
Well, the ACC just told Debbie Yow and NC State to **** off. That should go over well.
I almost got tossed last year at a highschool football game.i said nothing but get the rule book and read it.they had made some off the wall call and had a 4 minute discussion about it.dude 4 rows in front of me was cussing.i got blamed.lucky for me i was sitting with the head of security's brother so i didnt have to leave.its easy to get tossed for someone else s shenanigans.i am not defending hess.stuff does happen though.
Well, the statement does say some things:
- the ref must judge the behavior as extreme or excessive; and, if so,
- the ref is to solicit home game management and not security.
- Karl Hess has horrible judgment, as nobody would find Gugliotta or Corchiani's behavior extreme or excessive; and
- Karl Hess did not follow proper procedures, so will be getting a reminder as to what those procedures are.
All in all, I'd say Hess has had better days at the office, but then I remember it's Karl Hess, so maybe not.