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  1. #21

    what they said

    Take this for what it's worth, but a fan who claimed to be sitting two rows behind Gugliotta and Corchiani reported at Pack Pride:

    I know there is already multiple threads talking about this, but I didn't want the actual facts to get lost in them.

    I was sitting two rows behind Chris & Tom. If you watch the video I am in the second row of SWPC members. I heard everything, including when another ref called out a student near me for saying "Quit looking at the dance team." The cop came over and just laughed at the comment and said, you are fine you can stay.

    Chris and Tom were harmlessly complaining about the ref. No profanity. They had two very young daughters with them and I doubt they would ever cuss with them there. I never saw anything other than just average complaining.

    Karl walked over and pointed at them and said, "Get them out of here." He then found a cop and said, "I want you to get them out of here. Those two right there."

    If you listen closely to the video you can hear him say the 'those two' comment.

    And that was pretty much that. I was right there. I saw it first-hand thats exactly what happened almost word for word.

    I was in shock. Someone next to me asked, "why are you so upset? who are those guys?" I responded by pointing to the rafters at their two jerseys. Debbie Yow needs to seriously do something about this.


    And from another post:

    From a friend's twitter who was sitting on the front row:

    "The guys in front of me got kicked out of the game for saying "that's a bad call ref". How can you get kicked out for that. "

    "The dudes little daughters had to sit by themselves the rest of the game."


    Again, these are message board posts ... don't take them as gospel. Still, it will be interesting to see the feedback on this.

  2. #22
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    I can't think of a better way for the ACC to fan State's paranoia than to have Karl Hess throw these guys out of the arena. Tuesday night should be very interesting. What is the over/under on a riot when Kerlina gets all the calls?

    And does Debbie Yow have a conversation with John Clougherty and John Swofford?

  3. #23
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    I find it extremely difficult to believe that nothing was said to Hess. I know that we said some pretty ridiculous stuff to him in particular, which I know he heard, because you'd get that look from him, and he never booted any of us. I'm gonna go out on alimb and guess that someone in the vicinity was dropping f bombs. Wether or not it was Googs an Corchinni, that may be up for debate.
    WWJDD?

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    Huh

    Quote Originally Posted by Olympic Fan View Post
    BRW: Awesome finish in the meaningless Georgia Tech at Clemson game -- Udofia puts GT up 2 in OT afer an amazing shot with 5.3 seconds left, but the Hokies win on a buzzer-beaating 3.
    How could the Hokies win a game between GT and Clemson? Seems like maybe the refs should look at the monitor to see which teams were playing.
    Last edited by MChambers; 02-18-2012 at 06:13 PM. Reason: Corrected spelling of "refs"

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    Bob Green
    United States Navy (Retired)
    @JBobGreen

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    Amazing footage, Bob! There's gotta be some fallout from that move.

    Googs and Corchiani are 2 of my top 10 favorite State Players. I can't believe Hess would pull that, especially at State.

    From the looks of it, I bet both those guys would've wanted to punch him in the face.

    Whether or not it was justified, I think Hess will have some explaining to do.

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    Karl Hess and Jamie Luckie

    It is amazing to me how the ACC has two of the worst refs I have ever seen, Karl Hess and Jamie Luckie
    This compares the two: http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/co...=blowout#chart

    They both average about 35 fouls called a game, but interesting enough they do not seem to favor the home or away team when it comes to foul difference.

    Something else that is interesting, in close games Hess calls a lot more fouls than he does in blowouts. As compared to Luckie who calls about 35 no matter what the score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alteran View Post
    Hess has lost it. Neither of those guys look anything like Daniel Ewing.
    Well, thanks. Now there's Coke all over my computer screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameroncrazy3104 View Post
    It is amazing to me how the ACC has two of the worst refs I have ever seen, Karl Hess and Jamie Luckie
    This compares the two: http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/co...=blowout#chart

    They both average about 35 fouls called a game, but interesting enough they do not seem to favor the home or away team when it comes to foul difference.

    Something else that is interesting, in close games Hess calls a lot more fouls than he does in blowouts. As compared to Luckie who calls about 35 no matter what the score.
    There's already plenty of live ammo lying around for you to fire at Hess. No need to dig up innocuous-but-useless stats, and then to twist them into something objectively false. Neither Hess nor Luckie calls 35 fouls a game. Honestly. Thirty-five is the average number of fouls--total--called in their respective games.

  10. #30

    Hess

    When decorating your Christmas tree, he tangles up all the hooks
    He'll sneak in to the library and scribble in all the books

    He spoils the milk
    He stops all the clocks
    He uses his whistle to poke holes in your socks

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    State A.D. Debbie Yow is irate, and demands an explanation from the ACC office.

    “Throughout this afternoon and evening, I have been seeking clarification from the ACC office regarding the reason for the ejection of two fans today during our men’s basketball game against Florida State,” Yow said in a tersely worded statement. “I have spoken to commissioner John Swofford and Karl Hicks, associate commissioner for Basketball Operations, regarding our concerns and our need for clarification as to why this occurred. We expect fair treatment of our fans at State athletic events.

    “Although ACC rules prohibit coaches, players and administrators from publicly taking exception to officiating, the ACC Office has agreed to issue a statement regarding the ejections and the circumstances surrounding them later tonight. We will not have further comment regarding this situation until we have had a chance to review the statement issued by the league.

  12. #32
    Hess stats (guess this is legit; never seen this site) ...

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilly View Post
    Hess stats (guess this is legit; never seen this site) ...

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess
    Wow! Click on the "Schedule" tab and you'll see how many games he's working. That may be the source of some of his issues, in which case they are self-inflicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpholt View Post
    Is a statement a statement if it doesn't state anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Is a statement a statement if it doesn't state anything?
    You just blew my mind. But in this case, apparently the answer to your question is, "yes?"

    Commence exploding heads in Raleigh.
    WWJDD?

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by mpholt View Post
    Yow's response is going to be priceless. I cannot wait.

  18. #38
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    Well, the ACC just told Debbie Yow and NC State to **** off. That should go over well.

  19. #39
    I almost got tossed last year at a highschool football game.i said nothing but get the rule book and read it.they had made some off the wall call and had a 4 minute discussion about it.dude 4 rows in front of me was cussing.i got blamed.lucky for me i was sitting with the head of security's brother so i didnt have to leave.its easy to get tossed for someone else s shenanigans.i am not defending hess.stuff does happen though.

  20. #40
    Well, the statement does say some things:

    - the ref must judge the behavior as extreme or excessive; and, if so,
    - the ref is to solicit home game management and not security.

    So ...

    - Karl Hess has horrible judgment, as nobody would find Gugliotta or Corchiani's behavior extreme or excessive; and
    - Karl Hess did not follow proper procedures, so will be getting a reminder as to what those procedures are.

    All in all, I'd say Hess has had better days at the office, but then I remember it's Karl Hess, so maybe not.

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