Heh heh heh ... you mean like this?
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Thank you Austin!
mason gets credit since he was closest to the play, but that's a scorers decision, not the refs. All the refs have to say is it wasn't goaltending (which was probably the correct call) and therefore is a 2pt shot..doesn't matter where the shot was first taken from since it was touched by someone inside the arc and wasn't goaltending...they don't care who ACTUALLY gets credit for the points.
EDIT: apparnently i'm wrong and ryan gets credit...still doesn't change the ruling the refs made
1200. DDMF.
My interpretation:
There is no "own goal" in basketball. A tip by the defensive team that goes in the (wrong) basket is credited to the closest offensive player. (Or we'd have to add Zeller to our box score.)
Since the tip was at the basket (as opposed to behind the 3-point line), it is scored as a 2 point basket (by the closest Duke player).
Make sense?
I'm no ref but the call was that it was an airball and then Zeller tipped the ball in. I'm also confused as to why they credited Kelly with the 2. I think in an own-goal situation the bucket usually gets assigned to whichever offensive player is closest to the play, which I think would have been Mason. They might change it before the official box score comes out.
A shot that doesn't have chance to go in the basket. That's why it wasn't goaltending. From my viewpoint ten miles away, it appeared to be in front of goal and Zeller touched it below the rim.
If I remember my score keeping rules, if an opposing player tips it in, the player closest to the play gets credit. (not sure about that, though.). Let me check the game ticker.
What a night! Can't wait to hit the streets in the garb tomorrow morning!
Scratch and fight, gut it out D-U-K-E!!!!
An amazing game. With some time left I commented that even if we lose it was a good game. A miss here a make here and it's a different game. We stayed in it and either way it was going to be a good game. Just so happy right now, still in awe.
On the other hand Roy was unbelieveably gracious in his post game comments. Constantly giving Duke credit, not belittling his team saying both teams played well, and mentioning how the Duke kids should be celebrating the win and not to make anything of it. Tyler had some mistakes in the end but he was the main reason they were ahead in the end. He plays tough, doesn't run his mouth, and I know it's a small thing but was impressed when he tried to catch Miles after fouling him. But the fans...the FANS...oh I loved watching their reactions to Austin's shot. They feel they are entitled to win every game and will have forgotten about the loss by morning.
It's sad but after a big win like this I'm not happy that I can rub a Carolina fans face in it (cause I never do)...I'm just happy to not have to hear them.
I'm not sure of the exact rules, but I think that once its clear that the ball won't go in, the shot has ended, so Zeller's tip is on the rebound and not the same as a guy tipping a shot on the way up. Thinking of it another way if it wasn't a tip on the rebound and the shot was over, then it would have to be goaltending. The ESPN play-by-play gives it to Kelly, but I wouldn't be surprised if they change credit from Kelly to whoever was closest to Zeller, which I think is the convention for when a guy shoots in the wrong goal. That's all just a guess, but I'll throw it out there. I'd love to hear an official explanation as well.
I could not be prouder of our Blue Devils if I tried. A great effort, never quitting. Way to go, Duke!
Now I get to go to work tomorrow and hear the cricket sounds coming from the unc crowd. Yesssssss!!!!
-Son of Jarhead
The Duke fan formerly known as BuschDevil
Anyone who thought we were going to pull this one off after the 3 minute mark was just being austintatious.
Other than Cameron, the DESSAC is the safest arena for visiting fans. The ushers do their job properly. The only people who get ejected are Prebyterian fans.
Was there a few times with the namesake of this forum, and I never felt I was in any physical danger. Liz, on the other hand, was ready to fight any challengers. :-)